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Post by glensfalls on Dec 22, 2013 22:23:50 GMT -5
Hey all you guys that have the inside information from "secret sources" that the Big East will soon be inviting two more A10 members (likely VCU and St.Louis?) to join the Big East, and that Siena is guaranteed to be invited to join the A10 to play in the big time against St.Bonaventure University, Duquesne University, The George Washington University, Fordham, George Mason, LaSalle, Davidson, Dayton, UMass, St.Joe's, Richmond, and Dayton should,take a moment to read the below linked article from the New York Times which identifies the travel difficulties student athletes experience with conference realignment. Is it worth the disruption for the Siena athletes in all sports to have to travel to Ohio, North Carolina, Olean ,etc. by bus to be a member of the once formidable A10 Conference? Can anyone provide an estimate of how much the travel expenses for all of Siena's sport teams will be if it joins the A10 and how much those expenses will exceed the per school Siena would,receive from the A10's shrinking TV contract. Thanks & Merry Christmas to all. LINK www.nytimes.com/2013/12/18/sports/scrambled-conferences-keeping-teams-up-in-the-air.html?adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1387759601-w69HszpvCa5o9Qc8yP556w&_r=1&
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Post by Big papi on Dec 22, 2013 22:51:05 GMT -5
Siena needs to stay put. The maac needs Siena and Siena needs the maac. Its a good fit for all sports.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Dec 23, 2013 0:58:38 GMT -5
The A-10 plays a 16-game schedule in basketball, unlike the MAAC's 20-game schedule. A-10 teams play every other team once (13 games) and then only three opponents twice. That means Siena would go to one of Dayton or the Charlotte area, but not both. We go to Olean anyways, so that's a wash. And we wouldn't have to put up with the Canisius/Niagara trip anymore. Siena in the A-10 would have more flexibility to find opponents in the non-conference schedule. I would expect a lot of home-and-homes with MAAC members.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 23, 2013 7:25:28 GMT -5
I think the answer to one of Glens Falls "questions" are in the article:
“At the same time,” she said, “I wouldn’t change our conference affiliation for anything. We needed a change in affiliation to take our program to the next level.”
"West Virginia’s Kramer said that despite the increased travel, her team’s cumulative G.P.A. increased from 3.2 to 3.3 in its first year in the Big 12, although there were seven freshmen on the team."
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Post by DelmartianEd on Dec 23, 2013 8:15:51 GMT -5
There's really no comparison between the outliers talked about in this article and the A-10.
West Virginia's next closest Big 12 school is Iowa State, which would take 13 hours on a bus if they didn't fly. In the A-10, every single school is closer than that from here, including Dayton and Davidson.
In the ACC, Notre Dame's next closest school is Pitt, which is 5 and a half hours away. In the A-10, Fordham, UMass, URI, St. Bonaventure, St. Joe's, and La Salle are all closer than that.
UConn's conference, The American, will only have two members in the Northeast after this season, none in Virginia, one in North Carolina, one in Ohio, and then the other 7 members will be further away. Where The American has those 7 further away schools, the A-10 only has St. Louis, who could possibly be leaving anyways.
Siena shouldn't join just any conference that's better in basketball than the MAAC. Siena shouldn't join the Missouri Valley Conference or the West Coast Conference. The reason the A-10 is an exciting possibility is because it is regional and it does contain schools who should be peer institutions.
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Post by glen on Dec 23, 2013 8:17:07 GMT -5
I believe the A10 does some weird scheduling for non-hoops sports as well. I think they do a bunch of associate membership type stuff for LAX, hockey, etc. so it could be that some of our teams would be playing the same MAAC teams for the most part.
GF - you keep saying the MAAC could improve but for the last 10 years+ I've seen no sign of that. If you think adding 2 more NEC teams is a plus, I beg to differ. Show me the moves made by the MAAC that would lead you to believe the league is headed in the right direction! Siena and Fairfield made the move to play in pro-caliber arenas. That's it. Every team in the MAAC has cycled through the top 1 or 2 spots but few have been regulars. The Old Spice is a great tournament but in truth we should be sending the team most likely to succeed - not the next in line. Siena had no business down there this year. Period. That's just f*ing dumb. This whole "everyone gets a star" thing is stupid at the elementary level but at the college/business level it is completely moronic.
I would love the MAAC to take the same pro-hoop attitude that the A10 does but I can tell you SPC and probably several others would not be able to keep up. That's too much for the bleeding hearts to take so here we sit mired in mediocrity at the lowest common denominator.
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Post by CellarRat on Dec 23, 2013 16:59:09 GMT -5
Siena needs to stay put. The maac needs Siena and Siena needs the maac. Its a good fit for all sports. To GlensFalls: What is your agenda? Assuming this information is correct dont you think the school has done its due diligence? I sense alot of cynicism in your post. I think alot of folks just dont want to see Siena do well. Well you and Papi are just going to have to live with it. Frankly, Siena should have been in a higher conference years ago. And who knows, maybe the A-10 is just a stepping stone to yet another move up. Siena is a very special place, most of us here realize it as do other members of the MAAC.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 17:08:20 GMT -5
The A-10 plays a 16-game schedule in basketball, unlike the MAAC's 20-game schedule. A-10 teams play every other team once (13 games) and then only three opponents twice. That means Siena would go to one of Dayton or the Charlotte area, but not both. We go to Olean anyways, so that's a wash. And we wouldn't have to put up with the Canisius/Niagara trip anymore. Siena in the A-10 would have more flexibility to find opponents in the non-conference schedule. I would expect a lot of home-and-homes with MAAC members. Since the A-10 has 13 members, they can't possibly schedule as you just said. And since you have no idea who will be in the A-10 in the future, you can't really say what their scheduling will be. Some of you try to use past set ups to make your argument, ignoring changes which already happened or will happen.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 17:12:34 GMT -5
There's really no comparison between the outliers talked about in this article and the A-10. West Virginia's next closest Big 12 school is Iowa State, which would take 13 hours on a bus if they didn't fly. In the A-10, every single school is closer than that from here, including Dayton and Davidson. In the ACC, Notre Dame's next closest school is Pitt, which is 5 and a half hours away. In the A-10, Fordham, UMass, URI, St. Bonaventure, St. Joe's, and La Salle are all closer than that. UConn's conference, The American, will only have two members in the Northeast after this season, none in Virginia, one in North Carolina, one in Ohio, and then the other 7 members will be further away. Where The American has those 7 further away schools, the A-10 only has St. Louis, who could possibly be leaving anyways. Siena shouldn't join just any conference that's better in basketball than the MAAC. Siena shouldn't join the Missouri Valley Conference or the West Coast Conference. The reason the A-10 is an exciting possibility is because it is regional and it does contain schools who should be peer institutions. When I said St Louis could be leaving the A-10, I was ridiculed. The A-10 could be losing St Louis, Dayton, Richmond, UMass, etc. Adding Davidson doesn't help. The A-10 isn't the slam dunk some of you claim.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 23, 2013 18:43:25 GMT -5
Who ridiculed you? And you just named three schools leaving that would lessen the travel burden, no? Sure, joining the a10 is no slam dunk, but saying no to the a10 (if offered) would be brick city--- might as well hire Mitch back and watch college basketball pass us by.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 18:50:52 GMT -5
Who ridiculed you? And you just named three schools leaving that would lessen the travel burden, no? Sure, joining the a10 is no slam dunk, but saying no to the a10 (if offered) would be brick city--- might as well hire Mitch back and watch college basketball pass us by. Who ridiculed me? Tony. And I never said anything about the travel burden. The only point I ever made with teams leaving is that it's the best teams leaving and the A-10 will be a shell of what it was. 95% of the posts on this forum say that going to the A-10 is a no brainer, but most of them are like CenterSquareEd, looking at the A-10 of the past and not seeing what will actually be there.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 23, 2013 19:00:18 GMT -5
I agree to a limited extent , but I see no evidence of the maac ever getting multiple bids on a consistent basis. In fact, some say that Iona and Fairfield could leave-- likely to be replaced with programs like Monmouth. The move to the a10 would at least firm up its position in a mid major conference with a chance to compete with like minded schools.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 20:05:36 GMT -5
I agree to a limited extent , but I see no evidence of the maac ever getting multiple bids on a consistent basis. In fact, some say that Iona and Fairfield could leave-- likely to be replaced with programs like Monmouth. The move to the a10 would at least firm up its position in a mid major conference with a chance to compete with like minded schools. Do you see an A-10 without Temple, Xavier, Charlotte, Butler, Dayton, Richmond, St Louis, and UMass getting multiple bids? The A-10 could be: VCU LaSalle URI Geo Washington Geo Mason St Joe's St Bonnie Fordham Duquesne Davidson Siena The tv money will be gone. The league is a step up from the MAAC, but not nearly what some claim. I've never said don't go, I've said think about other possibilities.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 23, 2013 20:11:47 GMT -5
Yes, certainly more than the maac. What other possibilities are there, other than the status quo, and as I said the status quo might not end up being the status quo--- as soon as a few months ago Ensor was talking about adding more teams --- why? There is no tv contract here-- the internet package is preposterous-- little to no invites--- just spreading Siena's cash around some more.....
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Post by glensfalls on Dec 23, 2013 21:29:44 GMT -5
Hey Grovy
In your opinion which team has been more successful during the past decade: Siena College or St.Bonaventure?
Thanks
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