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Post by gorvy on Dec 23, 2013 21:44:41 GMT -5
Hey Grovy In your opinion which team has been more successful during the past decade: Siena College or St.Bonaventure? Thanks That's easy, St. Bonaventure, with estimated annual media revenue of $750,000 plus NCAA tournament revenue. You are welcome.
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Post by MTS on Dec 23, 2013 21:44:43 GMT -5
I agree to a limited extent , but I see no evidence of the maac ever getting multiple bids on a consistent basis. In fact, some say that Iona and Fairfield could leave-- likely to be replaced with programs like Monmouth. The move to the a10 would at least firm up its position in a mid major conference with a chance to compete with like minded schools. Do you see an A-10 without Temple, Xavier, Charlotte, Butler, Dayton, Richmond, St Louis, and UMass getting multiple bids? The A-10 could be: VCU LaSalle URI Geo Washington Geo Mason St Joe's St Bonnie Fordham Duquesne Davidson Siena The tv money will be gone. The league is a step up from the MAAC, but not nearly what some claim. I've never said don't go, I've said think about other possibilities. That's still a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better league. Not even close.
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Post by glensfalls on Dec 23, 2013 21:53:15 GMT -5
Yes, certainly more than the maac. What other possibilities are there, other than the status quo, and as I said the status quo might not end up being the status quo--- as soon as a few months ago Ensor was talking about adding more teams --- why? There is no tv contract here-- the internet package is preposterous-- little to no invites--- just spreading Siena's cash around some more..... Hey Grovy Get real. Neither you nor anyone else know what the details of an A10 TV contract will be if the league is neutred by the losss of VCU and St.Louis or other top programs. Your credibility is diminished by alleging that the A10 will have a national TV contract if it loses more teams. For that matter please detail what great TV contract the A10 now has with presumably more attractive teams than it would have if it loses 2 or more to an expanded Big East. I "google" to discover facts regarding the present A10 TV contract but was unable to find information for the post Xavier/ Butler alignment. If the A10 does have a national TV contract it appears to be for a nominal monetary value which contradicts the claims of posters like yourself who claim that added A10 TV revenue would offset the substantial increase in team travel expenses and provide a national forum for Siena College basketball for Siena in the neutered A10. Thanks for joining this discussion. Sincere best wishes to all for a Merry Christmas. .
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Post by glensfalls on Dec 23, 2013 21:56:52 GMT -5
Hey Grovy In your opinion which team has been more successful during the past decade: Siena College or St.Bonaventure? Thanks That's easy, St. Bonaventure, with estimated annual media revenue of $750,000 plus NCAA tournament revenue. You are welcome. Please provide a cite for the information you have offered as fact as to St.Bonaventure's annual media revenue if rom the A10 including the revenue in the post Xavier/ Butler era. Thanks.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Dec 23, 2013 22:00:37 GMT -5
Since the A-10 has 13 members, they can't possibly schedule as you just said. And since you have no idea who will be in the A-10 in the future, you can't really say what their scheduling will be. Some of you try to use past set ups to make your argument, ignoring changes which already happened or will happen. OK, pedant. That's how they scheduled last year and that's how they plan to schedule next year. I considered clarifying this year, but thought nobody would be that much of an kook. You've proven me wrong.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 23, 2013 22:03:33 GMT -5
That's easy, St. Bonaventure, with estimated annual media revenue of $750,000 plus NCAA tournament revenue. You are welcome. Please provide a cite for the information you have offered as fact as to St.Bonaventure's annual media revenue if rom the A10 including the revenue in the post Xavier/ Butler era. Thanks. I appear to have touched a nerve. You asked "In your opinion which team has been more successful during the past decade: Siena College or St.Bonaventure?" I provided an answer, in my opinion. Nothing more, nothing less. Cheers, my friend.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2013 22:52:01 GMT -5
Careful boys! This, for some strange reason, is a hot button topic where only some opinions are valid and others must only produce facts. Don't say someone is wrong - ridiculing is off limits. I can only imagine the shit that will fly if and when we do move up. I won't speculate where we'd move to but I do know Siena will only move up - OBTW, the way the MAAC is playing, up could be the AE - that would solve one major problem - we'd have a home and home with our cross town buddies - no more squabbling about seats at the TUC.
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Post by $cott on Dec 23, 2013 23:05:23 GMT -5
Do you see an A-10 without Temple, Xavier, Charlotte, Butler, Dayton, Richmond, St Louis, and UMass getting multiple bids? The A-10 could be: VCU LaSalle URI Geo Washington Geo Mason St Joe's St Bonnie Fordham Duquesne Davidson Siena The tv money will be gone. The league is a step up from the MAAC, but not nearly what some claim. I've never said don't go, I've said think about other possibilities. That's still a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better league. Not even close. Not to mention that there is no way Dayton, Richmond, and St Louis all leave. It would just be 2 of the 3.
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Post by Big papi on Dec 23, 2013 23:52:45 GMT -5
Siena can win the maac every now and then. It will never win the A10.
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Post by CellarRat on Dec 24, 2013 3:06:08 GMT -5
Careful boys! This, for some strange reason, is a hot button topic where only some opinions are valid and others must only produce facts. Don't say someone is wrong - ridiculing is off limits. I can only imagine the shit that will fly if and when we do move up. I won't speculate where we'd move to but I do know Siena will only move up - OBTW, the way the MAAC is playing, up could be the AE - that would solve one major problem - we'd have a home and home with our cross town buddies - no more squabbling about seats at the TUC. That's because you have posters that are not Siena fans and don't think Siena has the proper breeding to even think they are qualified to join the A10.
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Post by Tony on Dec 24, 2013 6:06:53 GMT -5
I agree to a limited extent , but I see no evidence of the maac ever getting multiple bids on a consistent basis. In fact, some say that Iona and Fairfield could leave-- likely to be replaced with programs like Monmouth. The move to the a10 would at least firm up its position in a mid major conference with a chance to compete with like minded schools. Do you see an A-10 without Temple, Xavier, Charlotte, Butler, Dayton, Richmond, St Louis, and UMass getting multiple bids? The A-10 could be: VCU LaSalle URI Geo Washington Geo Mason St Joe's St Bonnie Fordham Duquesne Davidson Siena The tv money will be gone. The league is a step up from the MAAC, but not nearly what some claim. I've never said don't go, I've said think about other possibilities. Heard this crap for years on A10=-== going back to days ohh A10 will stink when Villanova and Penn State leave- Ohh OK a10 still OK now A10 will stink when Pitt ands Rutgers leaves- ohh OK a few years later Ohh A10 will stink when West Virgina and Va tech leave, then as recently as this year Ohh the A10 isn’t the same Xavier- Butler and Temple are gone.. and what do you know son of a bitch the A10 is looking at 3 or 4 bids And whole the A10 might lose some combination of the schools you guys list they are not losing them all. The thing you forget is the A10 has certain minimums.. they just don’t let anyone in. The budget has to increase scheduling philosophy changes etc its all about level of commitment - if as a group the conference commits to budgets coaches etc-- the results stay basically the same- so I would guess Glens falls and Upstate are against Siena upping their level of commitment as for your proposed A10-- here is my much more likely A10..smaller footprint and good basketball school and would be multiple bid conference most years VCU Richmond Umass LaSalle URI Geo Washington Geo Mason St Joe's St Bonnie Fordham Duquesne Davidson Siena
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 6:12:38 GMT -5
Since the A-10 has 13 members, they can't possibly schedule as you just said. And since you have no idea who will be in the A-10 in the future, you can't really say what their scheduling will be. Some of you try to use past set ups to make your argument, ignoring changes which already happened or will happen. OK, pedant. That's how they scheduled last year and that's how they plan to schedule next year. I considered clarifying this year, but thought nobody would be that much of an kook. You've proven me wrong. I'm an kook because you're wrong? And now you claim to know how the A-10 plans to schedule next year, when nobody knows who will be there yet? Can you tell me the next winning lottery numbers too?
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Post by Tony on Dec 24, 2013 6:33:41 GMT -5
hold on boys..who cares what the a10 schedule will be.. what this comes down to is why Glans falls and upstate are against Siena upping their commitment to men's basketball? I believe the bus has already left the terminal so to speak on this. But the two of you are obviously against this( and in a minority) yes Siena will spend more ( considerably more) lost class time--remains to be seen-- could actually be less lost time, attendance nope... any realistic scenario will result in a drastic attendance increase. or maybe you are like Papi who thinks Siena cant compete at the A10 level? ( I disagree) but that's another discussion
its not like any conference jump is not without risks-- it is. If Siena went to A10 with same resources it used to compete in A10-- it would not be good. Most of the money for upgrade will come from fans and corporate sponsors--
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2013 6:35:25 GMT -5
Do you see an A-10 without Temple, Xavier, Charlotte, Butler, Dayton, Richmond, St Louis, and UMass getting multiple bids? The A-10 could be: VCU LaSalle URI Geo Washington Geo Mason St Joe's St Bonnie Fordham Duquesne Davidson Siena The tv money will be gone. The league is a step up from the MAAC, but not nearly what some claim. I've never said don't go, I've said think about other possibilities. That's still a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better league. Not even close. It's not way better, by a long shot. It's better, nobody disputed that. But it's not the slam dunk you make it out to be. And with those team's coaches selling games against Siena and Davidson instead of Temple and Xavier, recruiting will take a hit. Some of you just refuse to look at the total picture. For those who still imply otherwise, I defy you to find 1 post where I ever said Siena shouldn't move. All I ever said was the A-10 isn't and shouldn't be the only place we're looking.
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Post by Tony on Dec 24, 2013 6:44:16 GMT -5
That's still a wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better league. Not even close. It's not way better, by a long shot. It's better, nobody disputed that. But it's not the slam dunk you make it out to be. And with those team's coaches selling games against Siena and Davidson instead of Temple and Xavier, recruiting will take a hit. Some of you just refuse to look at the total picture. For those who still imply otherwise, I defy you to find 1 post where I ever said Siena shouldn't move. All I ever said was the A-10 isn't and shouldn't be the only place we're looking. that's your opinion recruiting will take a hit-- like I posted above same thing was said when Pitt- Villanova- Rutgers- West Va- Va Tech all left the A10-- Xavier wasn't Xavier when then entered A10- wasn't much different than Siena ( without the bad coaches) recruiting will be fine- still will be a niche under BCS level teams- most of the remaining programs are committed to Basketball and either have or are planning massive program upgrades as for teams left in A10 big upgrade over MAAC- budget and commitment twice that of MAAC teams
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