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Post by $cott on Mar 5, 2024 12:35:26 GMT -5
Filling all the scholarships would be a start. No more deals. Either they are good enough to be on scholarship from day one, or they are not. I'm ok with those deals IF all your other scholarships are filled and you are getting a scholarship level player to pay their way for one year. That is when those deals are useful. They should not be used on guys who aren't scholarship level to begin with and they should not be used when you are sitting on open scholarships.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 5, 2024 12:49:04 GMT -5
Filling all the scholarships would be a start. No more deals. Either they are good enough to be on scholarship from day one, or they are not. I'm ok with those deals IF all your other scholarships are filled and you are getting a scholarship level player to pay their way for one year. That is when those deals are useful. They should not be used on guys who aren't scholarship level to begin with and they should not be used when you are sitting on open scholarships. Carm has proven that he can't handle those deals. So keep it simple. Can the player play this year, or not. If not, move on. If he can't get 13 maac level players to play at Siena, it's time to move on. Not just from Carm, but from D1 basketball in general.
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Post by $cott on Mar 5, 2024 12:54:43 GMT -5
I'm ok with those deals IF all your other scholarships are filled and you are getting a scholarship level player to pay their way for one year. That is when those deals are useful. They should not be used on guys who aren't scholarship level to begin with and they should not be used when you are sitting on open scholarships. Carm has proven that he can't handle those deals. So keep it simple. Can the player play this year, or not. If not, move on. If he can't get 13 maac level players to play at Siena, it's time to move on. Not just from Carm, but from D1 basketball in general. Wasn't Jordan King one of those deals? I know Gribben was and looked promising as a freshman but has completely regressed as a sophomore. Coyle was the really bad one that was behind Courtney on the depth chart from day one. Are there others I am forgetting?
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Post by hardwood on Mar 5, 2024 13:07:22 GMT -5
Carm has proven that he can't handle those deals. So keep it simple. Can the player play this year, or not. If not, move on. If he can't get 13 maac level players to play at Siena, it's time to move on. Not just from Carm, but from D1 basketball in general. Wasn't Jordan King one of those deals? I know Gribben was and looked promising as a freshman but has completely regressed as a sophomore. Coyle was the really bad one that was behind Courtney on the depth chart from day one. Are there others I am forgetting? You’ll know sometime next Wednesday, they’ll be the only names not hitting the portal.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 5, 2024 13:08:07 GMT -5
Filling all the scholarships would be a start. No more deals. Either they are good enough to be on scholarship from day one, or they are not. I'm ok with those deals IF all your other scholarships are filled and you are getting a scholarship level player to pay their way for one year. That is when those deals are useful. They should not be used on guys who aren't scholarship level to begin with and they should not be used when you are sitting on open scholarships. Finding legit “scholarship” level players to pay thier way is an anamoly, especially at our level and in this conference. Taking MULTIPLE is a colossal waste of time and energy especially when scholarships are open and the roster has obvious gaping holes. This is Carm being lazy. He’s already gone public with his comment about off-season recruitment; “No one on my staff went out this period. I went out one day. My players, my community and our families are more important.” Unfilled spots, walkons & deals when you have scholarship spots left unfilled multiple years running smacks of a coach not doing his job. That alone should be enough to get him shown the door given the catastrophic results he’s provided. He wasn’t hired as a part-time employee!
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Post by glen on Mar 5, 2024 14:01:17 GMT -5
Similar situation to Patsos going to Thailand when a recruit was in town and the kid (Lamb?) lands at UVM. This sh!t is on the AD for allowing this. Non-hypothetical...my boss was on me for accidentally double booking a vendor meet. I can't imagine if I punted on a "mission critical" item.
Hey Carm - spend all the time you want with your family...during the quiet period. As far as I'm concerned he can have the rest of the year off!
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Post by $cott on Mar 5, 2024 14:19:04 GMT -5
Similar situation to Patsos going to Thailand when a recruit was in town and the kid (Lamb?) lands at UVM. This sh!t is on the AD for allowing this. Non-hypothetical...my boss was on me for accidentally double booking a vendor meet. I can't imagine if I punted on a "mission critical" item. Hey Carm - spend all the time you want with your family...during the quiet period. As far as I'm concerned he can have the rest of the year off! It wasn't Lamb but it was still a bad situation, think the kid unfortunately wound up with an illness or injury and wasn't able to play at Vermont. I believe Patsos drove Lamb off when he cursed his team out for an entire timeout like a lunatic while Lamb and his family was seated right behind the bench.
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Post by loudonville9 on Mar 5, 2024 23:05:56 GMT -5
I saw the question about how many coaches have had a season this bad, this far into a tenure, without an NCAA bid, and not be fired posed a couple times - so I did the research. I have data back to the 1996-97 season. That's 28 years, but 26 seasons knowing that schools didn't play enough games to qualify for my parameters in 2020-21 and discounting 2023-24 where most coaches aren't fired in season. Although eight teams are currently 4-25 or worse right now (Buffalo, Cal Poly, Coppin State, DePaul, Detroit, Mississippi Valley State, Siena, and VMI).
From 1996-97 through 2022-23, 122 teams won four or fewer games with at least 25 losses. 20 of those had a coach at least five seasons with that school and zero NCAA Tournament appearances there. Of those 20, five coaches returned to that program the following year.
Dereck Whittenburg: 3-25 at Fordham in 2008-09. Whittenburg returned to start 1-4 in 2009-10 before being fired and replaced by Jared Grasso.
Frankie Allen: 2-26 at Maryland-Eastern Shore in 2012-13. Allen was fired the following season after going 6-24.
Tracy Dildy (was also the AD): 4-28 at Chicago State in 2015-16. Dildy went 6-26 in 2016-17 and 3-29 in 2017-18 before being fired.
Glenn Braica: 4-27 at St. Francis Brooklyn in 2016-17. Braica continued coaching until the school eliminated D-I athletics in spring 2023.
Ron Cottrell: 4-25 at Houston Christian in 2019-20. Cottrell is still the head coach, going 33-81 in the 4 seasons since (through 4-22 this season).
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Post by gorvy on Mar 5, 2024 23:31:12 GMT -5
Ouch, so only 25% survived and none ever made the NCAA tournament. That's telling.
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Post by glen on Mar 6, 2024 5:59:06 GMT -5
and none of those coaches magically blossomed!!! I've said it before. Good coaches win. Whatever the circumstances, good coaches make it happen. There are no excuses. 4-2X records are screaming for a change. Period.
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Post by mjs72 on Mar 6, 2024 9:53:17 GMT -5
Will Siena provide trained counselors for posters here after they announce Carm is coming back?
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Post by glen on Mar 6, 2024 10:48:33 GMT -5
Will Siena provide trained counselors for posters here after they announce Carm is coming back? No but they'll enter you into a daily drawing for prizes if you renew your tix. On the plus side, people renewing will have twice the chance of winning a price.
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Post by leftcoastalum on Mar 6, 2024 11:38:20 GMT -5
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Post by hardwood on Mar 6, 2024 11:48:41 GMT -5
Will Siena provide trained counselors for posters here after they announce Carm is coming back? We all know he’s coming back.
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Post by sienasoup on Mar 6, 2024 12:05:28 GMT -5
We need to hope Ed Cooley calls Carm and tells him he needs an associate head coach for $500k per year and get Carm out of Albany.
He is going to give Courtney Mason a scholarship - that kid is the poster boy for Carm's tenure - and they will win 4 games next season.
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