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Post by glen on May 14, 2018 11:39:14 GMT -5
Are any of JP's signees still coming?
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Post by hoopjunkie on May 14, 2018 11:42:16 GMT -5
I'm curious what posters have seen him play in person? For the record, I've seen him about a dozen times. The AA game sticks out to me because they have a couple good big men.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 11:43:29 GMT -5
Seymour may very well be a contributor for JC. I think JC has a plan. I'm not sure Jimmy always did but I think JC does. And that's good.
I'm just not sure that JC's plan will be quite enough to overtake certain other teams. I think he needs to optimize it. Ironically, I think Jimmy was on track to potentially create a great roster that JC could have excelled with.
Penn, Baker, Timberlake, Welch, Pickett, Camper, Smithen etc etc.. If Jimmy and Jamion mated and had a baby coach, I think these players could have excelled in the resulting system.
It's just I'm not sure that either is quite up to potential.
The great Iona, Siena, Manhattan, Monmouth, and Niagara teams of the recent past...many had major things in common. They played 4 out 1 in with athleticism, ball control, ballhawking, and 1 solid big.
If you're going to try to win on turnover margin...go for broke. Get guys who both take care of the ball and steal it and run.
The great Niagara teams under Mihalich did that. Whether it was Green, Jordan, Mason, and Tanksley or ESPECIALLY Nelson, Lewis, Garrison, and Benn....they went all out for turnover margin and just had a guy like Egemoyne to watch the middle.
Monmouth did the same thing with Robinson, Hornbeak, Seaborn, James, and Tilghman with mainly Brady watching the middle. Look what happened when they graduated and were replaced by too many bigs...
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Post by hoopjunkie on May 14, 2018 11:45:27 GMT -5
Are any of JP's signees still coming? Only one commit, Baker, and he ended up at UNC Asheville. But JP did recruit Pickett hard, waiting on his grades, so the kid was familiar with Siena before JC got here. And Seymour was recruited by the JP staff last year, but they stopped this year. So the first two kids do ironically have ties to the past.
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Post by goldsaint17 on May 14, 2018 11:57:38 GMT -5
I'm curious what posters have seen him play in person? For the record, I've seen him about a dozen times. The AA game sticks out to me because they have a couple good big men. I saw him 5-10 Times at Shaker. 1 game stuck out for me as great, 1 as terrible. The good one was against Shen his junior year. Sloan went off from 3 in that one IIRC, when he catches in rhythm it’s lights out. He was just shooting over people, and even had a couple turnaround jumpers that I liked. Was really competing in that game too. The bad (and ugly) was against Green Tech that year in Sectionals. Certainly wasn’t the best Green Tech team (I want to say the teams were seeded 8 and 9). Sloan was overwhelmed athletically and quit on his team it seemed like, not getting back on D. Jordan Watson was at that game and he was not pleased. I also know Abe went to several Shaker games this year for Cook and didn’t love Sloan’s game. One thing I will say in Sloan’s defense is, and I’m sure HJ should be able to attest to this if he saw him that frequently, Shaker’s coach sucked. Obviously it’s HS basketball, but that team had no plan. The fact that they were so mediocre when you have 2 6-9 D1 players speaks for itself, their offense was a complete mess.
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Post by SIENA1971 on May 14, 2018 12:31:29 GMT -5
I’m taking a pledge not to second guess our new coach during his first recruitment cycle ... giving him the benefit that he is working from a plan.
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Post by indian82 on May 14, 2018 12:32:47 GMT -5
I like Huerter for his shot-blocking and the fact that he is quick to come to the aid of a teammate in a ruck. But he doesn't shot like Seymour. Sloan will realize the first week of JC's practices that he ain't at Shaker anymore. Yes, I'm not so sure that Seymour is even better than Huerter yet. He's more experienced and seems to do a lot of the things JC would need him to do. Maybe Seymour has a better shot, but I'm not so sure that Huerter doesn't best him in every other category. I feel like once the lights go on Huerter will be ahead of him on the depth chart. And he should. He has a year in D1 under his belt. I've always thought Huerter had a lot of potential. We're talking the sons of 2 coaches. I think both should be pretty heady.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 12:44:50 GMT -5
Are any of JP's signees still coming? No
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Post by SaintsFan on May 14, 2018 12:47:54 GMT -5
Are any of JP's signees still coming? No did we want any?
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Post by Quackman on May 14, 2018 12:49:45 GMT -5
Yes, I'm not so sure that Seymour is even better than Huerter yet. He's more experienced and seems to do a lot of the things JC would need him to do. Maybe Seymour has a better shot, but I'm not so sure that Huerter doesn't best him in every other category. I feel like once the lights go on Huerter will be ahead of him on the depth chart. And he should. He has a year in D1 under his belt. I've always thought Huerter had a lot of potential. We're talking the sons of 2 coaches. I think both should be pretty heady. Actually, he has 2 years of experience. Huerter and SS are different players with different strengths. Huerter is a very smart player, makes good decisions and does a lot of little things. Teams need that. SS comes in with the reputation of being able to shoot on a team that is looking for shooters. Teams need guys who can score too. Camper is somewhere between the two (on skill sets not ability) Competition should be fierce and plenty of room for all 3 to help the team.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 12:52:52 GMT -5
I'm curious what posters have seen him play in person? For the record, I've seen him about a dozen times. The AA game sticks out to me because they have a couple good big men. Just got a call from my son wondering if the board blew up on this one - he saw something in the paper this morning - he said he watched about 4 or 5 games last year and he more than confirmed your assessment (actually might have been a tad more negative!!!) - no motor and looked like he didn't want to be out there - should be interesting to see if JC can turn him around...
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Post by SaintsFan on May 14, 2018 12:54:50 GMT -5
does this mean Siena is off Zdor? How about Malik Zachery? havent heard his name mentioned recently and he did retweet the commitment of Seymour.
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Post by Sienafan on May 14, 2018 13:04:14 GMT -5
does this mean Siena is off Zdor? How about Malik Zachery? havent heard his name mentioned recently and he did retweet the commitment of Seymour. Nope. Still on him. Still one scholarship left to give. I think only one offer was made to a guard (Pickett) and the rest to big men, so I think he wants to take another big and he'd gladly take Zdor.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2018 13:36:40 GMT -5
does this mean Siena is off Zdor? How about Malik Zachery? havent heard his name mentioned recently and he did retweet the commitment of Seymour. I think Zachary has issues. He was begging teams...they all backed away.
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Post by Sienafan on May 14, 2018 14:49:29 GMT -5
Seymour may very well be a contributor for JC. I think JC has a plan. I'm not sure Jimmy always did but I think JC does. And that's good. I'm just not sure that JC's plan will be quite enough to overtake certain other teams. I think he needs to optimize it. Ironically, I think Jimmy was on track to potentially create a great roster that JC could have excelled with. Penn, Baker, Timberlake, Welch, Pickett, Camper, Smithen etc etc.. If Jimmy and Jamion mated and had a baby coach, I think these players could have excelled in the resulting system. It's just I'm not sure that either is quite up to potential. The great Iona, Siena, Manhattan, Monmouth, and Niagara teams of the recent past...many had major things in common. They played 4 out 1 in with athleticism, ball control, ballhawking, and 1 solid big. If you're going to try to win on turnover margin...go for broke. Get guys who both take care of the ball and steal it and run. The great Niagara teams under Mihalich did that. Whether it was Green, Jordan, Mason, and Tanksley or ESPECIALLY Nelson, Lewis, Garrison, and Benn....they went all out for turnover margin and just had a guy like Egemoyne to watch the middle. Monmouth did the same thing with Robinson, Hornbeak, Seaborn, James, and Tilghman with mainly Brady watching the middle. Look what happened when they graduated and were replaced by too many bigs... This presumes Jimmy would have landed Timberlake and Welch. No sure thing. In fact I'm confident he wouldn't have gotten commitments from them due to his history. He had a penchant for not landing his top targets and then settling for plan B guys who had no other options. Half of Jimmy's intended roster plays for Vermont because of this.
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