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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 27, 2018 15:42:42 GMT -5
you have overstated the obvious, his record is what it is, that's what you get when you take him on as a coach..........we aren't getting anything more out of him.............I have been at dinners with JP and many other events, he is extremely likeable off the court, very entertaining & superbly engaging (there is NO disdain from me on that angle).......but he is a lousy basketball coach, too many things are not done to enhance a programs success, to which we have posted on this board to ad nauseum (recruiting, game planning, scouting, in game adjustments, handling of players, etc, etc, etc....)............. That is all fine and agree with most of what you say. However you still have not addressed the difference between his winning years and losing ones. And your comment about winning 2/3 of games. I don't have to address it because he has lost as much as he won...........20+ losses this season for the 4th time, that offsets the 4 times he won 20 games..........it means the rest of the time you get mediocre, which is the norm for him..........not what we want here, don't try to tell me when he was hired, that JD (or admins) had being mediocre in mind after they had Mitch (or any of the other coach fails).........it would be great if he could be .667, that would be an improvement, yet that ain't happening either...........
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 27, 2018 15:45:44 GMT -5
1 of those didn't count. 38 games to win 20?....uhh no.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 27, 2018 16:17:04 GMT -5
Rex has not tryed pushing the ball so we don't know if the talent is not there? Just let them run and have space to get some open looks in transition where every kid on the floor has the green light to either shoot or pass whenever a good open look presents itself or if the extra pass will create a better open look for whoever the hot hand(s) may be. You have nothing to lose and everything to gain if it works. This is so true. There is enough talent on the team to win some games. There are guys on the bench that can contribute. Let the PT play out in practice. That should have happened by now. It is much too late in the season for the lineups to be so unstable. Stop with the politics and coach the team.
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Post by rickyp on Jan 27, 2018 16:39:21 GMT -5
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Post by Papi on Jan 27, 2018 16:39:35 GMT -5
How about guys on the team and step up and show some balls and quit f ing up. If some want to blame poor performance on coaches and not the players you have your opinion.
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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 27, 2018 17:17:48 GMT -5
How about guys on the team and step up and show some balls and quit f ing up. If some want to blame poor performance on coaches and not the players you have your opinion. dude, no player has quit playing "hard"...........except maybe Nico, you can only do up to your capabilities, based upon the situation you are faced with, if and when you get a chance before getting yanked out for 1 (yes 1 mistake as some players deal with).................stop your BS, with the show some balls statement, what is wrong with you........and yes players have accountability, but get real............
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Post by sky on Jan 27, 2018 17:25:36 GMT -5
Just like Laniers team...I think this team could do better on their own without Patsos...I remember Lanier screaming at them and Prosper just waving him off How much better? You did not address the significant difference in talent levels between the two teams. It isn't a matter of one team being better than another...it is a situation of PP coaching taking away from what ever talent we have...a bad coach is just that...a bad coach...and like Laniers team IMO we would do better playing playground than his BS...it indefinitely would be more fun to watch...
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Post by sky on Jan 27, 2018 17:40:54 GMT -5
I like your recent 1 word posts...it stops the perfectionists from bitching about your punctuation...
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Post by sienafanallyearlong2 on Jan 27, 2018 18:25:06 GMT -5
Jimmy is not a great recruiter because he loses recruiting battles for high caliber mid major talent (or doesn't even get in them) all the time.
That being said, "many"(not all) of the guys he does bring in have D1 talent that can be developed.
Beyond being a horrible game coach, the thing Jimmy is the absolute worse at is developing players into being not only better individual players but better team players on the court together.
Among many others, the three players he totally lost out on developing beyond the skill set they came in with that could have all been very very good with the right coach were Nico, WB, and Michael Wolfe. Sammy Friday I think is another one on the current roster that with a good coach could have been very good.
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Post by Tony on Jan 28, 2018 5:05:56 GMT -5
Apparently not anyone. Some teams and players have excelled under JP. Let me ask you this, why has Jimmy been able to win and be well above .500 during some seasons (Both at Loyola and Siena) and others he has not? Same coach, same coaching style, same coaching philosophy. The difference IMO is the players and the talent level of those players. My beef with JP is less about his coaching and more about his recruiting and retaining of players. His record shows that when he has quality players he can win in the MAAC: www.sports-reference.com/cbb/coaches/jimmy-patsos-1.html. I get it that a lot of people on here do not like his coaching style or personality. He is a polarizing figure in many ways. But he is who he is. Players know exactly what they are getting into when they sign up play for him. So people can continue to say that this team is talented and can win. I do not see it. If Jimmy could win with the group he would. He hasn't and he can't. Do you think he wants to lose? If he had recruited and retained enough quality players while at Siena he would have a winning record and would have a winning season this year. The bottom line he did not do that. Hence the loosing record. I am no Jimmy fan but I couldn't agree more. Personally I think he was always a lousy/lazy recruiter, I have posted in the past in 14 years as MAAC head coach Jimmy has only recruited 1 first team all MAAC player ( that was 4 year player) and another 3 or 4 that made any ALL MAAC team- he always recruited mainly role players- difference was at Loyola he got a lot of transfers from high major programs that wanted to transfer home to Baltimore . His team that won the MAAC ( finished 2nd regular season) started 3 transfers ( 1 of them POY in MAAC) Obviously he isnt getting that quality transfer here at Siena so he has a team full of role players and several borderline D1 players.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 28, 2018 5:31:10 GMT -5
How about guys on the team and step up and show some balls and quit f ing up. If some want to blame poor performance on coaches and not the players you have your opinion. The players sitting on the bench are not playing poorly...they are not playing at all. That is on the coach
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 28, 2018 5:41:25 GMT -5
Um that team had way more talent than the current Saints: www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/siena/2002.htmlWho on this year's team is even close to a Proper, or Dwayne, or Tommy? Please. Top to bottom that team is more talented and would crush the current Aints. And do not care who is coaching either squad. Just like Laniers team...I think this team could do better on their own without Patsos...I remember Lanier screaming at them and Prosper just waving him off Patsos would sub them out and only play the freshmen that he has favored. They will do as they are told to stay in the game. Even if they were winning he would stop it
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 28, 2018 5:48:21 GMT -5
Are you for real—were you at FGCU home game( 33 point loss) to a team with 160 RPI, tried to run with Lehigh a PL team current rpi 250 ( a Siena loss) 20 point home loss to Bonnies, 24 point loss at Vermont.. JP was getting killed by the ass beatings team was taking, he started taking air out of ball and losses went down to 8 points or so. Open your eyes, this is slowest least athletic since return to D1 in late 70’s . If you can’t see So-so Jimbo tried to run early in the year and got killed sorry I can’t help you There are players on the bench with talent. This team is young because he plays the young players and runs off the returners. Of course you will get blown out early playing unproven freshmen over the vets
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 28, 2018 6:01:21 GMT -5
he had quality players last season, 4 (1000 pt) scorers plus Nico.........and he only went 17-17, sorry but that is the BEST talent he has had, only to sputter...........again good players will certainly do better and enhance chance of winning, but only so far with JP at the helm............what you see is what you get that is correct, averages out to mediocre no matter how you want to slice it...........in order for this program to get back on its' feet, talent and coaching upgrade is needed asap............. so how do you account for the seasons that he has been well above .500 and the year he won the MAAC? The transfer rate that helped him at Loyola is killing him at Siena. If you are not a favorite it's best to get out of town. The turnover rate is so high for him and he chooses to rely on freshmen. MM teams excel with upper classmen that improve over the years. The HMs have the one and dones...and when the seasoned vets from the MMs play the HM freshmen in the tournament you see upsets.
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 28, 2018 8:23:39 GMT -5
How about guys on the team and step up and show some balls and quit f ing up. If some want to blame poor performance on coaches and not the players you have your opinion. slight correction from my point of view... I blame the coach for recruiting an entire roster of players that shouldnt be here. I stand by that comment. Sure a couple can make a bucket here or there etc. But none of these players are capable of being starters on a team that consistently wins at this level. Its a bunch of low D1 / D2 players. You cant get blood from a stone. Now... some of that falls on the players faults for signing at a level they dont belong. Much of it is on trusting the coach to know that you do belong. These guys have a coach who wants to phone in recruiting so as to finish up in April in order to get to the important things like vacation.
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