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Post by Big papi on Dec 30, 2013 22:29:36 GMT -5
Siena opens as a 1 point favorite. Very interesting. The odds makers must be thinking Fordham is going to have an off night. I just can't see Siena out scoring them. Siena wins if they can keep it in the 60s . another nice call by papi..LOL They kept them in the 60s. Hymes Poole had huge games or I should say second half's. Great win and comeback.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 31, 2013 15:17:24 GMT -5
Agreed PPC-- Fordhams back court is good- we are never going to stop them- we just need to make them 'work" to get their points- they are good foul shooters so have to keep them off the line- this is a game Siena is probably going to have to score 80 to win If Siena can shut down the country's leading scorer (Mason), they can shut down at least one of Fordham's high scoring guards. The team can't get into a shootout with these guys because we Siena doesn't have shooters. The key is playing defense and wearing them down by making them work. This is where Siena's superior depth comes in. Fordham's starters all play a lot of minutes because they have no depth. Then pound it inside to take advantage of Siena's superior size. I expect Poole to have a big game in this one because Fordham doesn't play defense. Long should be poised for a big night too because I don't see who they have that can stop him. On the flip side, their 4 guard offense concerns me that Siena's big lineup is too slow to guard them. I fear Siena will be fouling a lot as players reach in when their man blows by them. Well you were wrong here...Lavon played solid D did not get blown by and finished with 3 fouls..he did get 2 early fouls trying to jump and trap and had to sit for alot of the 1st half..but that had nothing to do with a lack of quickness defending on the perimeter or at the top of the zone
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Post by Sienafan on Dec 31, 2013 19:17:59 GMT -5
If Siena can shut down the country's leading scorer (Mason), they can shut down at least one of Fordham's high scoring guards. The team can't get into a shootout with these guys because we Siena doesn't have shooters. The key is playing defense and wearing them down by making them work. This is where Siena's superior depth comes in. Fordham's starters all play a lot of minutes because they have no depth. Then pound it inside to take advantage of Siena's superior size. I expect Poole to have a big game in this one because Fordham doesn't play defense. Long should be poised for a big night too because I don't see who they have that can stop him. On the flip side, their 4 guard offense concerns me that Siena's big lineup is too slow to guard them. I fear Siena will be fouling a lot as players reach in when their man blows by them. Well you were wrong here...Lavon played solid D did not get blown by and finished with 3 fouls..he did get 2 early fouls trying to jump and trap and had to sit for alot of the 1st half..but that had nothing to do with a lack of quickness defending on the perimeter or at the top of the zone Actually, Siena wasn't doing so hot defensively in the man to man defense, which is why Patsos switched to the zone in the first place.
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Post by Sienafan on Dec 31, 2013 19:25:00 GMT -5
another nice call by papi..LOL They kept them in the 60s. Hymes Poole had huge games or I should say second half's. Great win and comeback. Yeah, but even if Fordham was in the 70s, Siena still outscored them. Siena is capable of putting up points - we just have yet to see them do it in two consecutive halves. The offense is designed for them to consistently score in the 70s and 80s, they just haven't gotten there yet.
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Post by hoopfan1988 on Dec 31, 2013 20:37:37 GMT -5
If Siena can shut down the country's leading scorer (Mason), they can shut down at least one of Fordham's high scoring guards. The team can't get into a shootout with these guys because we Siena doesn't have shooters. The key is playing defense and wearing them down by making them work. This is where Siena's superior depth comes in. Fordham's starters all play a lot of minutes because they have no depth. Then pound it inside to take advantage of Siena's superior size. I expect Poole to have a big game in this one because Fordham doesn't play defense. Long should be poised for a big night too because I don't see who they have that can stop him. On the flip side, their 4 guard offense concerns me that Siena's big lineup is too slow to guard them. I fear Siena will be fouling a lot as players reach in when their man blows by them. Well you were wrong here...Lavon played solid D did not get blown by and finished with 3 fouls..he did get 2 early fouls trying to jump and trap and had to sit for alot of the 1st half..but that had nothing to do with a lack of quickness defending on the perimeter or at the top of the zone PPC Silas got his 5th foul because Lavon's man beat him going baseline. Look at the highlight on the Siena basketball website and you will see.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 31, 2013 20:48:08 GMT -5
Well you were wrong here...Lavon played solid D did not get blown by and finished with 3 fouls..he did get 2 early fouls trying to jump and trap and had to sit for alot of the 1st half..but that had nothing to do with a lack of quickness defending on the perimeter or at the top of the zone Actually, Siena wasn't doing so hot defensively in the man to man defense, which is why Patsos switched to the zone in the first place. Absolutely correct & if we didn't go zone we were not going to win that game! It was a great move by Patsos!
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Post by MTS on Dec 31, 2013 21:18:54 GMT -5
They kept them in the 60s. Hymes Poole had huge games or I should say second half's. Great win and comeback. Yeah, but even if Fordham was in the 70s, Siena still outscored them. Siena is capable of putting up points - we just have yet to see them do it in two consecutive halves. The offense is designed for them to consistently score in the 70s and 80s, they just haven't gotten there yet. We are averaging 70.4 PPG which is actually only 231st nationally. I don't see our scoring average in the 80's under Jimmy (i.e. Hewitt ball) but I think when we add more firepower next year (Cole maybe Taplin) we'll be around the 74-77 PPG range which is where Fran's offenses were.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 31, 2013 22:53:29 GMT -5
Well you were wrong here...Lavon played solid D did not get blown by and finished with 3 fouls..he did get 2 early fouls trying to jump and trap and had to sit for alot of the 1st half..but that had nothing to do with a lack of quickness defending on the perimeter or at the top of the zone PPC Silas got his 5th foul because Lavon's man beat him going baseline. Look at the highlight on the Siena basketball website and you will see. And how did Silas get the other 4 fouls?
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Post by Sienafan on Dec 31, 2013 23:42:58 GMT -5
Yeah, but even if Fordham was in the 70s, Siena still outscored them. Siena is capable of putting up points - we just have yet to see them do it in two consecutive halves. The offense is designed for them to consistently score in the 70s and 80s, they just haven't gotten there yet. We are averaging 70.4 PPG which is actually only 231st nationally. I don't see our scoring average in the 80's under Jimmy (i.e. Hewitt ball) but I think when we add more firepower next year (Cole maybe Taplin) we'll be around the 74-77 PPG range which is where Fran's offenses were. That's a 10 ppg improvement over last season. Baby steps. This team was certainly never going to ever put up a 52 point half playing Mitch ball.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 1, 2014 8:11:23 GMT -5
PPC Silas got his 5th foul because Lavon's man beat him going baseline. Look at the highlight on the Siena basketball website and you will see. And how did Silas get the other 4 fouls? You're the master of the misdirection! lol They were quicker than us on the perimeter because even though we run a 4 guard offense (hee hee), we don't ever have 4 guards out there. The zone adjustment was the reason we won the game because they ended up settling for long jumpers most of the 2nd half instead of driving to the hoop.
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 1, 2014 10:04:09 GMT -5
And how did Silas get the other 4 fouls? You're the master of the misdirection! lol They were quicker than us on the perimeter because even though we run a 4 guard offense (hee hee), we don't ever have 4 guards out there. The zone adjustment was the reason we won the game because they ended up settling for long jumpers most of the 2nd half instead of driving to the hoop. Come on folks stop baiting and then slamming if she reacts to defend her boy. BTW, her response to the first post about Silas' 5th was pretty good...
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 1, 2014 13:46:10 GMT -5
You're the master of the misdirection! lol They were quicker than us on the perimeter because even though we run a 4 guard offense (hee hee), we don't ever have 4 guards out there. The zone adjustment was the reason we won the game because they ended up settling for long jumpers most of the 2nd half instead of driving to the hoop. Come on folks stop baiting and then slamming if she reacts to defend her boy. BTW, her response to the first post about Silas' 5th was pretty good... EVERYONE KNOWS Lavon is a great player. Not one person out here has ever said anything different. She is just delusional when she thinks he can effectively cover 6'3"-6'2" guards. He's TOO BIG to do that. Sorry if that's a knock, but it's the truth. That's why he is better when we play bigger conference teams. Most of the time, their SF's are 6'6"-6-7" like him. MAAC teams usually run small, and most SF's are undersized with guard-like ball skills. This could be an issue down the road if we continue to play man-to-man with Lavon at the SF.
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Post by billmurray on Jan 1, 2014 14:56:32 GMT -5
Lavon was not the biggest liability in the man to man defense against Fordham. Thomas scored 8 straight points off his man at one point, basically just walking past him to the hoop. No need to name the defender, he tried, but it was just too much of a mismatch. After the first two scores an adjustment should have been made, but it did come shortly thereafter.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 1, 2014 15:05:11 GMT -5
Lavon was not the biggest liability in the man to man defense against Fordham. Thomas scored 8 straight points off his man at one point, basically just walking past him to the hoop. No need to name the defender, he tried, but it was just too much of a mismatch. After the first two scores an adjustment should have been made, but it did come shortly thereafter. Thank you...I am not going back and forth with those 2 again.. waste of time...Lavon is doing fine and the Saints won the game..
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Post by Tony on Jan 1, 2014 15:06:33 GMT -5
Lavon was not the biggest liability in the man to man defense against Fordham. Thomas scored 8 straight points off his man at one point, basically just walking past him to the hoop. No need to name the defender, he tried, but it was just too much of a mismatch. After the first two scores an adjustment should have been made, but it did come shortly thereafter. Saw that.. hofstra went after same player one point in game his man took him 3 plays in a row
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