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Post by SIENA1971 on Dec 28, 2013 18:34:36 GMT -5
Harvard 94 Fordham 86
Frazier 31 pts 11/20 7/7 2 3pt
Severe 29 pts 11/19 2/5 5 3pt
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 28, 2013 18:46:39 GMT -5
Severe shoots every time he touches the ball...the pressure he puts on the opposing backcourt makes the difference. .Saints needs to contain him on the perimeter and not allow him to penetrate and draw fouls on the frontcourt players...he is so aggressive offensively that will not be an easy task..looks like the key to victory.
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Post by Sienafan on Dec 28, 2013 19:12:38 GMT -5
Ivy and Patriot League schools have those academic reputations too...and they aren't getting recruits like this. So spare me. Its the combination of higher league and academics. You just mentioned 2 leagues lower than the MAAC. And you stated Siena was above Fordham in every way except for one. HOWEVER, they are not in academics and you just ingnored that fact. I didn't ignore the academic angle, I just discounted it because the reality is it's not a big factor - or as Tony points out, the Ivies would be winning national championships. Northwestern is both superior academically to Fordham and in a higher league - and it does not land great recruits. I think in this case we have to chalk it up mostly to location. Both wanted to stay home - and Fordham was the highest level local school that offered.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 28, 2013 20:21:23 GMT -5
Patsos understands the value of local standouts...he did a great job in MD... now the local area is the NYC and I would think he is working on building strong ties here going forward
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Post by Sienafan on Dec 28, 2013 21:01:58 GMT -5
Patsos understands the value of local standouts...he did a great job in MD... now the local area is the NYC and I would think he is working on building strong ties here going forward I get that the DMV area is Patsos' recruiting base. And that's okay. McCaffery's was Philly, and he won 3 straight titles with those Philly guys. Go get 'em where your contacts are I say. That being said, I do think Patsos has to leverage the local talent base. The Albany City Rocks is one of the best AAU programs in the country and annually produces national recruits. Siena needs to start getting some of these local studs to stay home. An example is JO. I think getting JO was a coup, who turned down a Big 12 offer to stay home.
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Post by bigsaintg on Dec 28, 2013 21:13:58 GMT -5
Fran had 5 recruiting classes. Throw the first one out because he started so late and took who he could get, although he got a jewel in Kenny. In three of his next 4 classes, the best recruit was a NYC kid: Ubilis, Rossitor, Anosike.
His only really good Philly kid was Moore. Franklin was from Reading and Wignot (a good recruit at the time) from up North. His only other Philly kid was Yard, who barely played.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 28, 2013 21:47:18 GMT -5
Patsos understands the value of local standouts...he did a great job in MD... now the local area is the NYC and I would think he is working on building strong ties here going forward I get that the DMV area is Patsos' recruiting base. And that's okay. McCaffery's was Philly, and he won 3 straight titles with those Philly guys. Go get 'em where your contacts are I say. That being said, I do think Patsos has to leverage the local talent base. The Albany City Rocks is one of the best AAU programs in the country and annually produces national recruits. Siena needs to start getting some of these local studs to stay home. An example is JO. I think getting JO was a coup, who turned down a Big 12 offer to stay home. He will look local first...just as he did at Loyola.
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Post by yankee on Dec 29, 2013 0:23:53 GMT -5
Its the combination of higher league and academics. You just mentioned 2 leagues lower than the MAAC. And you stated Siena was above Fordham in every way except for one. HOWEVER, they are not in academics and you just ingnored that fact. I didn't ignore the academic angle, I just discounted it because the reality is it's not a big factor - or as Tony points out, the Ivies would be winning national championships. Northwestern is both superior academically to Fordham and in a higher league - and it does not land great recruits. I think in this case we have to chalk it up mostly to location. Both wanted to stay home - and Fordham was the highest level local school that offered. No, to be honest, you are not considering the big difference between Fordham and Siena/Marist/other MAAC type schools. A player who can go to a much better academic school, why wouldn't they? Now, you will bring up the IVY schools again. But then again, a kid getting into Fordham most likely isn't getting into an Ivy school. To say it is almost all conference affiliation is silly when comparing Siena and Fordham.
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Post by yankee on Dec 29, 2013 0:25:05 GMT -5
Not sure if playercoach would answer this, or even if she should, but I will ask anyway. PPC, if Fordham offered Lavon, would he still have gone to Siena?
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Post by Sienafan on Dec 29, 2013 2:14:58 GMT -5
I didn't ignore the academic angle, I just discounted it because the reality is it's not a big factor - or as Tony points out, the Ivies would be winning national championships. Northwestern is both superior academically to Fordham and in a higher league - and it does not land great recruits. I think in this case we have to chalk it up mostly to location. Both wanted to stay home - and Fordham was the highest level local school that offered. No, to be honest, you are not considering the big difference between Fordham and Siena/Marist/other MAAC type schools. A player who can go to a much better academic school, why wouldn't they? Now, you will bring up the IVY schools again. But then again, a kid getting into Fordham most likely isn't getting into an Ivy school. To say it is almost all conference affiliation is silly when comparing Siena and Fordham. You dodged my last point, so I'll restate it. If going to the best academic school in the highest possible league matters as much as you claim to most athletes, then why isn't Northwestern a national power? The fact is Fordham was the highest level local school that offered a kid who wanted to stay local. Had St. John's offered along with Fordham, you can be sure Severe wouldn't have given two shits about Fordham and its academics - and he would be playing in Queens right now.
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Post by Tony on Dec 29, 2013 5:27:05 GMT -5
If being in the A10 is the reason Fordham can get a Severe and Siena can't (I kinda of disagree with that) then is there ANY doubt why Siena should AND will be out the door to the A10 the second they invite us? Siena's history to Fordham isn't even close. We are so much better of a basketball program than they are the past 25 years it isn't even close. Yes they are a better academic school but let's be honest with most kids that doesn't matter and actually hurts them in the long run (harder to get kids in). This lays out everything that is wrong with the majority of Siena fans. Seriously do you think this post adds any value to this board? Do you think people come to this board to read that? Most here know MTS posts are over the top—and most just skip right over them . Why you are obsessed with him is beyond me
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Post by Tony on Dec 29, 2013 5:35:34 GMT -5
Severe shoots every time he touches the ball...the pressure he puts on the opposing backcourt makes the difference. .Saints needs to contain him on the perimeter and not allow him to penetrate and draw fouls on the frontcourt players...he is so aggressive offensively that will not be an easy task..looks like the key to victory. Agreed PPC-- Fordhams back court is good- we are never going to stop them- we just need to make them 'work" to get their points- they are good foul shooters so have to keep them off the line- this is a game Siena is probably going to have to score 80 to win
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Post by gorvy on Dec 29, 2013 6:45:20 GMT -5
Wish the game was today. The nfl is boring
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Post by dalydoseofhoops on Dec 29, 2013 11:37:24 GMT -5
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 29, 2013 11:37:53 GMT -5
Not sure if playercoach would answer this, or even if she should, but I will ask anyway. PPC, if Fordham offered Lavon, would he still have gone to Siena? We talked to Fordham but I think they only had one scholarship for 2013..and Lavon was not rated high enough for the HC to talk to us due to their conference affiliation IMOP. A10 is a better conference but I decided that being at the bottom of a good conference was not better than having the chance to be at the top of the MAAC...so had they offered nothing would have changed....but most would jump on the A10 that look at highest offer rather than best fit....it was always about fit for us and Fordham did not fit better than Siena.
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