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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 9:33:16 GMT -5
Don't disagree with the outlook. The stat you're looking for, essentially, is "Points Per Possession" or PPP. It's also sometimes calculated in tempo-free circles as Offensive Efficiency. PPP is more all encompassing with things like turnovers and rebounds included. PPS focuses on how much you get to the line along with how well you shoot. Loyola shot horribly last year and still had a PPS higher than Siena. If you have a higher FG%, get to the line a lot and make your FTs, and make a higher percentage of your threes obviously it goes higher. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/conferences/statistics/team/_/id/13/stat/field-goals/sort/scoringEfficiency/maac-conference
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Jun 19, 2013 9:48:42 GMT -5
Don't disagree with the outlook. The stat you're looking for, essentially, is "Points Per Possession" or PPP. It's also sometimes calculated in tempo-free circles as Offensive Efficiency. PPP is more all encompassing with things like turnovers and rebounds included. PPS focuses on how much you get to the line along with how well you shoot. Loyola shot horribly last year and still had a PPS higher than Siena. If you have a higher FG%, get to the line a lot and make your FTs, and make a higher percentage of your threes obviously it goes higher. espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/conferences/statistics/team/_/id/13/stat/field-goals/sort/scoringEfficiency/maac-conferenceYes, PPP is more of an aggregate stat, but I think it's more telling about a team's overall efficiency. "Points per Shot" can be valuable, but gives zero recognition to getting to the FT line in its actual score. You'd have to compare the PPS to the team's Adjusted FG% to determine if they got to/were effective from the FT line. Since you're at least taking that into consideration, it makes the data point more valuable.
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Post by musicman on Jun 19, 2013 10:28:31 GMT -5
Yes, PPP is more of an aggregate stat, but I think it's more telling about a team's overall efficiency. "Points per Shot" can be valuable, but gives zero recognition to getting to the FT line in its actual score. You'd have to compare the PPS to the team's Adjusted FG% to determine if they got to/were effective from the FT line. Since you're at least taking that into consideration, it makes the data point more valuable. good stuff fellas.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2013 11:48:26 GMT -5
This is the kind of stuff that determines your record. If you look at the Pts For vs. Pts. Against for teams last year and all the surrounding ratios...Siena got lucky. We should have been 10th, not 9th according to pts margin and where we stood in most statistical categories.
Rider was the freak of luck last year. They should have been around .500 instead of 12-6 if you look at the numbers. They only had a pt differential of +.8 on the year. By rights, they had no reason being above FF much less CC or Iona. Instead of a 2 seed, their stats and pts margins screamed 6, maybe even 7 seed.
Without Thompson carrying them in close situations while being the only one on the team who valued the ball and their best defender, Rider is probably gonna nosedive this year to probably the 8th or 9th range. Marist has a lot of the tools to make a big jump, though. Siena, on paper, looks ahead of Monmouth, SPU, Rider and probably Niagara at the very least. Quinny has no D but can really rebound. FF has young inexperienced but very athletic guards with a tough, tough interior, but they'll probably have turnover issues. Marist is a wild card. CC has Baron and this new guy Perez from Stetson who should be pretty good but suck on D and may struggle from 3pt range now. Iona will kill most everyone. Manhattan probably too.
5th is probably a decent guess for Siena with having potentially 7 guys with starting experience coming back or in (in Buie's case.) That's really as much as anyone not name Iona or Manhattan. The Montreal trip and longer practice time should help accelerate the transition between coaches and put us ahead of other teams in some ways going into the season.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jun 19, 2013 14:43:28 GMT -5
nice outlook. def want to be competitive right away. I am hearing the workout went well yesterday and the guys are playing pickup everyday. Lavon is happy and enjoying the experience.
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Post by hockeyguy on Jun 19, 2013 16:57:12 GMT -5
I think Lavon will average 2.73564 assists per game exactly with a slight chance to improve to 2.73565 if he really puts the extra work in. With a little "bear grease" on your abacus KK and we should hope you are prescient and Lavon dishes exactly 104 assists....2.73684 = 104 assists over 38 games. By the way 38 games = 29 reg season + 3 MAAC Tourney + (drumroll...) 6 NCAA Tourney games (and it would be a darned nice way to end the season if they won that 6th one !)
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jun 19, 2013 19:29:27 GMT -5
Now that would be great
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Post by knicksaint on Jun 19, 2013 19:39:31 GMT -5
I hate to burst the bubble, but with the Old Spice event giving us four games (including the one at Purdue), the regular season will be 31, not 29, so either we lose in the Elite Eight or Lavon suffers a minor injury and misses two games in order to make HG's math work.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jun 19, 2013 19:43:00 GMT -5
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Post by hockeyguy on Jun 19, 2013 21:52:44 GMT -5
Okay, so it is decided.... Lavon will have to go out of town for his cousin's Bar Mitzvah and miss 2 games and have exactly 104 assists so Siena can win a national championship. Sounds doable.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jun 19, 2013 22:13:06 GMT -5
ok that works for me
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