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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 21:06:03 GMT -5
Lavon will be there Sunday and will start classes Monday..For entertainment purposes only watch the video of Lavon playing 3 on 3 at a Charity event ...his team rep the End Homelessness campaign through "Bridges " and " The Legacy Project" against Domestic violence m.youtube.com/watch?tv=6mi_qqyQtMQ That was some stiff competition .....but nice to see Lavon involved in the community. 3 on 3 with Bridges Things have settled down as the summer approaches. Does anyone have information on anything interesting with our kids on the team? Even small info we would find interesting? I was thinking even about who is going to be on campus this summer. Any of our incoming freshmen going to summer school? etc.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jun 12, 2013 21:37:22 GMT -5
lol That's why I said entertainment purposes only his teammates were his mentor and a teammate from the Track team...it was a nice event with a step show and dancing along with testimonial presentations...Lavon played along in the game and just made sure his team won...The FreeThrows were for KK He is working on them KK
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Post by Deleted on Jun 12, 2013 21:56:41 GMT -5
lol That's why I said entertainment purposes only his teammates were his mentor and a teammate from the Track team...it was a nice event with a step show and dancing along with testimonial presentations...Lavon played along in the game and just made sure his team won...The FreeThrows were for KK He is working on them KK I want 100 made FTs every day. For every miss he does 50 pushups. If he shoots 50% he will have done 2500 pushups a day. At least if he can't make his FTs, he'll be able to throw his teammates to the rim for easy layups.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jun 13, 2013 0:37:21 GMT -5
lol
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 5:23:28 GMT -5
I'm not sure why everyone assumes that. Not every player is required to be on scholarship. They can pay their own way, get grants, etc. It happens all the time. I know that Siena doesn't have Harvard's kind of money, but their whole team is on grants, which is pissing off the other Ivy League schools but is completely legal. Not that simple. Really, Brian? Enlighten us then, if you know something that hasn't been said. "Not that simple" doesn't really help the discussion much.
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Post by brian on Jun 13, 2013 9:01:17 GMT -5
Really, Brian? Enlighten us then, if you know something that hasn't been said. "Not that simple" doesn't really help the discussion much. Ok, I will try to enlighten you if you would like. I've attached a pdf of the page from the NCAA Division I Manual. What this chart is discussing is determining whether a player is a "Counter". While we often talk about teams having a 13 scholarship (or athletic grant in aid) limit for basketball it is actually a 13 counter limit. And it is possible that a player can be deemed a counter without receiving an athletic grant in aid. There are all sorts of restrictions on what can and cannot happen during a players recruitment (taking an official visit or a coach visiting with the player or his parents off campus), what type of aid a student can and cannot receive (if it isn't an athletic aid the school needs to certify that athletic ability was not a factor in awarding the aid and that it is in line with the schools customary process of awarding aid). So like I said, it isn't that easy. Schools can't just say oh we are all out of basketball scholarships so we will just give him a grant from the general scholarship pool and we're good to go. Attachments:Counter.pdf (88.78 KB)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2013 11:58:35 GMT -5
Really, Brian? Enlighten us then, if you know something that hasn't been said. "Not that simple" doesn't really help the discussion much. Ok, I will try to enlighten you if you would like. I've attached a pdf of the page from the NCAA Division I Manual. What this chart is discussing is determining whether a player is a "Counter". While we often talk about teams having a 13 scholarship (or athletic grant in aid) limit for basketball it is actually a 13 counter limit. And it is possible that a player can be deemed a counter without receiving an athletic grant in aid. There are all sorts of restrictions on what can and cannot happen during a players recruitment (taking an official visit or a coach visiting with the player or his parents off campus), what type of aid a student can and cannot receive (if it isn't an athletic aid the school needs to certify that athletic ability was not a factor in awarding the aid and that it is in line with the schools customary process of awarding aid). So like I said, it isn't that easy. Schools can't just say oh we are all out of basketball scholarships so we will just give him a grant from the general scholarship pool and we're good to go. Well, that page doesn't actually say what you said it says. It also doesn't include all the other bylaws and rules, so it's easy to interpret however you want. It doesn't say anything about the "certification" process, for example. If schools can self certify, they can say any grant is for non-athletic causes. Cole was in school 2 years already, he could probably get academic grants. Buie was in school 3 years, he probably qualifies. De Bose would have if he came to Siena. it happens all over the NCAA, it's not that hard for schools to get guys in.Hell, technically, Andre Drummond was a walk on at UConn.
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Post by billmurray on Jun 13, 2013 12:41:40 GMT -5
Brian is accurate on this point. 13 scholarship players and any number of walk-ons, but walk-ons have to pay their own way. They can get the normal financial aid package given to the general student population, including the requisite loans, etc. "Recruited" players cannot get full rides without counting against the 13 countable limit.
Magic is correct in that any player can be a full pay or normal financial aid recipient and play as long as he doesn't qualify as a recruited player. I doubt it is a self certify situation without any look behind by the NCAA. Historically, Siena got burned for doing what Magic suggest and went to D III status for years. Not a good move to repeat this historical precedent.
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Post by brian on Jun 13, 2013 12:59:17 GMT -5
Ok, I will try to enlighten you if you would like. I've attached a pdf of the page from the NCAA Division I Manual. What this chart is discussing is determining whether a player is a "Counter". While we often talk about teams having a 13 scholarship (or athletic grant in aid) limit for basketball it is actually a 13 counter limit. And it is possible that a player can be deemed a counter without receiving an athletic grant in aid. There are all sorts of restrictions on what can and cannot happen during a players recruitment (taking an official visit or a coach visiting with the player or his parents off campus), what type of aid a student can and cannot receive (if it isn't an athletic aid the school needs to certify that athletic ability was not a factor in awarding the aid and that it is in line with the schools customary process of awarding aid). So like I said, it isn't that easy. Schools can't just say oh we are all out of basketball scholarships so we will just give him a grant from the general scholarship pool and we're good to go. Well, that page doesn't actually say what you said it says. It also doesn't include all the other bylaws and rules, so it's easy to interpret however you want. It doesn't say anything about the "certification" process, for example. If schools can self certify, they can say any grant is for non-athletic causes. Cole was in school 2 years already, he could probably get academic grants. Buie was in school 3 years, he probably qualifies. De Bose would have if he came to Siena. it happens all over the NCAA, it's not that hard for schools to get guys in.Hell, technically, Andre Drummond was a walk on at UConn. You can read the entire Division I manual if you would like it is online for the requisite bylaws. Bottom line, what you are alleging does not happen all over the NCAA. As a recruited player, they are not allowed to receive any institutional aid without being considered a counter. Sure they can fill out their FAFSA and receive any federal grants/loans just like any other student in America, but they cannot receive any aid that the school itself controls and disperses.
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Post by SienaHCT14 on Jun 15, 2013 10:56:35 GMT -5
Say goodbye to Hopper. Roster looking good next year this may or may not be true. I've heard some buzz on campus about him leaving. He left campus yesterday, but I don't know if it was just because the first summer session just ended or if it is for good. I don't know for sure, so take this as speculation.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2013 14:28:48 GMT -5
Well, that page doesn't actually say what you said it says. It also doesn't include all the other bylaws and rules, so it's easy to interpret however you want. It doesn't say anything about the "certification" process, for example. If schools can self certify, they can say any grant is for non-athletic causes. Cole was in school 2 years already, he could probably get academic grants. Buie was in school 3 years, he probably qualifies. De Bose would have if he came to Siena. it happens all over the NCAA, it's not that hard for schools to get guys in.Hell, technically, Andre Drummond was a walk on at UConn. You can read the entire Division I manual if you would like it is online for the requisite bylaws. Bottom line, what you are alleging does not happen all over the NCAA. As a recruited player, they are not allowed to receive any institutional aid without being considered a counter. Sure they can fill out their FAFSA and receive any federal grants/loans just like any other student in America, but they cannot receive any aid that the school itself controls and disperses. I didn't say the school "controls" it. I said the school can get them in, which you just agreed to. Thanks for clearing that up.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jun 15, 2013 18:44:11 GMT -5
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Post by billmurray on Jun 15, 2013 18:56:52 GMT -5
You can read the entire Division I manual if you would like it is online for the requisite bylaws. Bottom line, what you are alleging does not happen all over the NCAA. As a recruited player, they are not allowed to receive any institutional aid without being considered a counter. Sure they can fill out their FAFSA and receive any federal grants/loans just like any other student in America, but they cannot receive any aid that the school itself controls and disperses. I didn't say the school "controls" it. I said the school can get them in, which you just agreed to. Thanks for clearing that up. I think we all agree the school can admit them, but if they were recruited, that have to count against the 13. Getting them in and not counting means they can't play. What was your point?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2013 5:53:57 GMT -5
I didn't say the school "controls" it. I said the school can get them in, which you just agreed to. Thanks for clearing that up. I think we all agree the school can admit them, but if they were recruited, that have to count against the 13. Getting them in and not counting means they can't play. What was your point? I'm not sure where you got "getting them in and not counting means they can't play". The point actually is , there ARE ways around this and colleges know them. According to EVERY report, Buie applied for admission to Siena, he was not recruited.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jun 16, 2013 8:28:49 GMT -5
Get your head out of the sand. Of course he was "recruited." I'm sure he expressed a desire to attend Siena, and the inquiry was met with mutual interest. Then he applied. He'll be on the team and will coiunt as one of the 13 players youre allowed on your roster.
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