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Post by Tony on Jun 17, 2013 16:48:48 GMT -5
I agree put the 5 best players on the floor--- as for the rest doubt you’ll see Bisping at the 4—he can’t guard 4’s…. unless Wolfe will be in top 8 players—I look for him to redshirt this year
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 17:01:19 GMT -5
9 man Rotation guess based on what I've heard:
Hymes/Wright Buie/Oliver Poole/Long Long/JO Silas/Bisping
Wolfe may redshirt like Tony says. Audu could sneak into the rotation. Bisping could take some more mins from JO
If rotation goes down to 8, it's because JO or a SG gets moved out, I think.
Hymes, Poole, and Long will probably be playing big minutes. Still think Hymes plays some SG with Wright at the PG at times.
Oliver and Bisping give you two pure shooters off the bench to go with a starting lineup that should drive and draw a lot of fouls, as is Jimmy's trademark.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 17:47:07 GMT -5
An interesting thing to watch out for this year. Hymes could go over 1000 career pts by the end of January.
He has 743 career points. If he scores at the same pace as the last two years without improvement, he's 10th on the all-time scoring list (29 pts ahead of RyRo.)
However, he's ahead of the pace at this stage of his career over 6 of the 10 guys in the top 10. Only Marc Brown, Eddy Ubiles, Mike Haddix, and Kenny Hasbrouck had more points scored to this point.
Thought that was an interesting tidbit of info. for all those that want to bench him for a freshman.
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Post by Tony on Jun 17, 2013 19:02:23 GMT -5
I think Hymes will thrive in Jimmy’s system—although I think you might see his scoring go down a bit- his job will be to push the pace and get team into the offense- a bit different than his role in Mitch’s system. He will still score but wont get as many shots-- you'll see a nice balance this this year
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Post by knicksaint on Jun 17, 2013 19:07:28 GMT -5
The staff really likes Evan, although I think 25-28 mpg is more likely than 38 mpg.
I also think we will see some of evan and Marquis on the court at the same time, with Marquis guarding the opponent's 2G.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 19:23:20 GMT -5
The staff really likes Evan, although I think 25-28 mpg is more likely than 38 mpg. I also think we will see some of evan and Marquis on the court at the same time, with Marquis guarding the opponent's 2G. The "idea" behind last year's lineup still holds true with these two guys, I think. But they have to run and take care of the ball to make it effective unlike last year where they played slow and turned the ball over or Brookins gunned. Fairfield got away with it for years. Marquis looks like a better decision maker and not a shooter but he, at least, seems to know he's not a shooter. They are the best two ballhandlers. If they use it right, it could be the most effective lineup with this team. Jimmy played with RJ and Cormier together and that's not that much different. If Wright is 6 ft, it's not that bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 19:24:54 GMT -5
I think Hymes will thrive in Jimmy’s system—although I think you might see his scoring go down a bit- his job will be to push the pace and get team into the offense- a bit different than his role in Mitch’s system. He will still score but wont get as many shots-- you'll see a nice balance this this year Hymes only scored 10 a game last year. There's no way he starts and doesn't average double digits, especially if the offense runs better than the last two years.
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Post by Tony on Jun 17, 2013 19:47:31 GMT -5
He could, but he will be playing 10 less min a game and he won’t have to be gunning up last second desperation shots. He will certainly have games where he will score, but his job in Jimmy’s system will be to distribute the ball , plus if Buie plays Hymes will be at best the 3rd option on offense after Buie and Poole. I expect his turnovers to go down, his shooting pct to increase..and his avg to stay the same or go down a bit—hard to say until we see the makeup of team- if Buie doesn’t play then I expect Hymes average to slightly increase even with decreased minutes
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Post by MTS on Jun 17, 2013 20:18:07 GMT -5
If Buie can't play this season AND Wolfe redshirts (and there are no more additions) I'd say a minutes breakdown could look like this:
PG: Hymes (28) Wright (12) SG: Poole (20) Wright (10) Oliver/Audu (combination 10 mins) SF: Long (23) Poole (14) Oliver/Audu (combination 3 mins) PF: JO (25) Long (10) Silas (5) C: Silas (28) Bisping (12)
Poole (34) Long (33) Silas (33) Hymes (28) JO (25) Wright (22) Oliver/Audu (13) Bisping (12)
Looking at it realistically we need Buie to contend (or Cole to be able to play this year - not happening I know) otherwise it's going to be tough with a lot of inexperience and big time question marks at SG. I also would not rule out Wolfe playing as we could be thin up front. The question is how ready is Wolfe?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 21:12:49 GMT -5
He could, but he will be playing 10 less min a game and he won’t have to be gunning up last second desperation shots. He will certainly have games where he will score, but his job in Jimmy’s system will be to distribute the ball , plus if Buie plays Hymes will be at best the 3rd option on offense after Buie and Poole. I expect his turnovers to go down, his shooting pct to increase..and his avg to stay the same or go down a bit—hard to say until we see the makeup of team- if Buie doesn’t play then I expect Hymes average to slightly increase even with decreased minutes Don't forget though that Siena could be averaging another 7+ ppg with Jimmy. His teams at Loyola averaged just under 69 ppg during his 9 years at Loyola. Last year, we only averaged 60. More points to go around now. I think that this roster has more scoring depth than the recent Loyola teams. Those team's averaged 67 with really only 3 consistent scorers. Hymes is gonna get his shots up. As of right now, compared to Buie, Hymes is the most efficient guard in the universe. Buie may be better off as a Justin Drummond type guy who comes off the bench and drives to the basket until he proves he can pass and make shots. There's still a legitimate chance that Hymes ends up being the leading scorer.
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Post by bigsaintg on Jun 17, 2013 21:15:28 GMT -5
I don't see the type of minutes you are predicting MTS. Silas can't stay out of foul trouble to go 33 minutes and I hope a freshmen like Long doesn't have to play those minutes either. Lets hope for more balance
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 21:26:46 GMT -5
I don't see the type of minutes you are predicting MTS. Silas can't stay out of foul trouble to go 33 minutes and I hope a freshmen like Long doesn't have to play those minutes either. Lets hope for more balance I think Lavon is going to be playing A LOT. With Burdine gone he's the only real athletic presence able to make things happen. He's gonna need to be all over the place all game long. The kid is gonna be exhausted.
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Post by mrsiena on Jun 17, 2013 21:30:21 GMT -5
[quote source="/post/15657/thread" timestamp="1371514048" author="@kk Marquis not a shooter but he, at least, seems to know he's not a shooter. Having seen Marquis shoot I can assure you that you are grossly underestimating his ability to shoot. He is Ronald Moore with an offensive game. If he gets enough minutes he could well lead the league in thefts.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2013 21:37:08 GMT -5
He shot 26% from 3pt two years ago, 52% from the FT line. He shot 29% from 3pt last year, with 81% from the FT line.
Shooting in the 20s is not good. What he does do well is make his 2pt FGs...58% on 248 attempts last year. Probably due largely to his ballhawking.
I, too, have high hopes for Marquis' defense.
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Post by Sienafan on Jun 18, 2013 0:12:14 GMT -5
He could, but he will be playing 10 less min a game and he won’t have to be gunning up last second desperation shots. He will certainly have games where he will score, but his job in Jimmy’s system will be to distribute the ball , plus if Buie plays Hymes will be at best the 3rd option on offense after Buie and Poole. I expect his turnovers to go down, his shooting pct to increase..and his avg to stay the same or go down a bit—hard to say until we see the makeup of team- if Buie doesn’t play then I expect Hymes average to slightly increase even with decreased minutes Don't forget though that Siena could be averaging another 7+ ppg with Jimmy. His teams at Loyola averaged just under 69 ppg during his 9 years at Loyola. Last year, we only averaged 60. More points to go around now. I think that this roster has more scoring depth than the recent Loyola teams. Those team's averaged 67 with really only 3 consistent scorers. Hymes is gonna get his shots up. As of right now, compared to Buie, Hymes is the most efficient guard in the universe. Buie may be better off as a Justin Drummond type guy who comes off the bench and drives to the basket until he proves he can pass and make shots. There's still a legitimate chance that Hymes ends up being the leading scorer. I thought Patsos's offensive philosophy was "first team to 80 wins". Why were his Loyola teams only averaging in the 60s? That sounds like Mitch-ball to me. I am expecting this team to average in the mid to high 70s.
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