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Post by hardwood on Jul 22, 2022 3:07:17 GMT -5
Just saw Singelais retweet this…..Crazy! The Division I Council is recommending that the NCAA get rid of the “one-time” part of its transfer rule. Anyone would be able to transfer and have immediate eligibility, if they meet academic standards. Athletes could transfer multiple times and play right away. Good move. When you have 350+ teams what do you expect. Go down to 250 D1 basketball schools and then limit transfers and if you do transfer you sit for a year. Trolling again huh?
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Post by billmurray on Jul 27, 2022 7:39:35 GMT -5
It's almost August and there are still 505 "transfers" looking for a place to land. That is almost 29% of those who entered the portal. I guess some didn't get the memo that over a quarter of those who enter will not get a someone else to pay for their education or extend their basketball career.
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Post by bigsaintg on Jul 27, 2022 8:46:52 GMT -5
It's almost August and there are still 505 "transfers" looking for a place to land. That is almost 29% of those who entered the portal. I guess some didn't get the memo that over a quarter of those who enter will not get a someone else to pay for their education or extend their basketball career. Ans at least 10 kids that siena had recruited at some level at HS have not signed and the trickle effect is amazing.
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Post by dawg on Jul 27, 2022 9:17:56 GMT -5
Probably a few guys in the portal that would help us from day 1 but we opted for 3-4 guys that probably wont help until maybe their Junior year.
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Post by hardwood on Jul 27, 2022 9:44:49 GMT -5
Probably a few guys in the portal that would help us from day 1 but we opted for 3-4 guys that probably wont help until maybe their Junior year. If you recruit guys like that they have no option but to stay loyal to the coach…. We’ll see
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Post by billmurray on Jul 27, 2022 13:02:57 GMT -5
Probably a few guys in the portal that would help us from day 1 but we opted for 3-4 guys that probably wont help until maybe their Junior year. I would think that if that were the case some other program among the 350+ DI programs would have made an offer if they could help without disrupting the locker room. There is a reason why everyone of the 500+ stranded players remaining in the portal without a home.
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Post by saints15 on Jul 27, 2022 13:59:45 GMT -5
Probably a few guys in the portal that would help us from day 1 but we opted for 3-4 guys that probably wont help until maybe their Junior year. I would think that if that were the case some other program among the 350+ DI programs would have made an offer if they could help without disrupting the locker room. There is a reason why everyone of the 500+ stranded players remaining in the portal without a home. But if we didn’t donate a scholarship to someone that said they aren’t playing, we could at least take a chance on one of them. Any warm body is better than an empty seat on the bench.
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Post by MTS on Jul 27, 2022 20:43:58 GMT -5
I would think that if that were the case some other program among the 350+ DI programs would have made an offer if they could help without disrupting the locker room. There is a reason why everyone of the 500+ stranded players remaining in the portal without a home. But if we didn’t donate a scholarship to someone that said they aren’t playing, we could at least take a chance on one of them. Any warm body is better than an empty seat on the bench. If Carm really wants someone I’m pretty sure they can get a waiver since the aforementioned scholarship is not being used on a current player on the roster. That said it probably would go to Gribbon or Coyle since they are walking on for one and scholarship the next 3. I like our roster. I really think we’re really going to surprise some people.
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Post by $cott on Jul 27, 2022 22:14:15 GMT -5
But if we didn’t donate a scholarship to someone that said they aren’t playing, we could at least take a chance on one of them. Any warm body is better than an empty seat on the bench. If Carm really wants someone I’m pretty sure they can get a waiver since the aforementioned scholarship is not being used on a current player on the roster. That said it probably would go to Gribbon or Coyle since they are walking on for one and scholarship the next 3. I like our roster. I really think we’re really going to surprise some people. Who is going to pay for the scholarship? This is a school that has already decided to play a guarantee game at Georgetown to pay for the Italy trip while removing the Albany Cup from season tickets and sticking it to the season ticket holders by charging the same for two less games. That doesn't sound like a school ready to throw an injured athlete into the school funded academic scholarship category. Step up Mike, or anyone else, offer to donate money so Gaines can go off athletic scholarship. Maybe then we could make a late addition. I'm willing to guess no one will.
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Post by bigsaintg on Jul 28, 2022 5:07:09 GMT -5
If Carm really wants someone I’m pretty sure they can get a waiver since the aforementioned scholarship is not being used on a current player on the roster. That said it probably would go to Gribbon or Coyle since they are walking on for one and scholarship the next 3. I like our roster. I really think we’re really going to surprise some people. Who is going to pay for the scholarship? This is a school that has already decided to play a guarantee game at Georgetown to pay for the Italy trip while removing the Albany Cup from season tickets and sticking it to the season ticket holders by charging the same for two less games. That doesn't sound like a school ready to throw an injured athlete into the school funded academic scholarship category. Step up Mike, or anyone else, offer to donate money so Gaines can go off athletic scholarship. Maybe then we could make a late addition. I'm willing to guess no one will. The only true cost is food and incidental costs. Tuition doesn’t cost the school anything and if they have a vacant room the same so the cost is very little to the school
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Post by saints15 on Jul 29, 2022 20:03:36 GMT -5
Good article in the TU about the unlimited transfer rule that is coming and comments from Carm and Killings, but I thought this quote from Carm was strange…. “I do think there can be some strategy with how you recruit and how you build your recruiting model and how many scholarship players you take each year and if you take some recruited walk-ons to build stability, too," Maciariello said.
So we will take less talented kids because they should be more likely to stay? I get it if that is all they are is walk-ons but Carm is committing scholarships to them after the first year. Plus how did that strategy work out with Jordon King? I would rather get the most talented players I can get and take my chances with trying to keep them.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jul 29, 2022 20:11:31 GMT -5
Good article in the TU about the unlimited transfer rule that is coming and comments from Carm and Killings, but I thought this quote from Carm was strange…. “I do think there can be some strategy with how you recruit and how you build your recruiting model and how many scholarship players you take each year and if you take some recruited walk-ons to build stability, too," Maciariello said. So we will take less talented kids because they should be more likely to stay? I get it if that is all they are is walk-ons but Carm is committing scholarships to them after the first year. Plus how did that strategy work out with Jordon King? I would rather get the most talented players I can get and take my chances with trying to keep them. I think you’re over-interpreting this one. From what I’ve gathered from the staff, the idea is that you recruit walk ons who will be in your program for 3-4 years and as upperclassmen can be a scholarship-level player, so they are setting the culture in your program and giving you some continuity knowing you’re likely to have more turnover at the top of your roster. For example — you recruit Brendan Coyle as a 3 for 4. Your hope is that as a junior and senior, Coyle has developed into a nice player into your rotation who can make shots and be a leader. And you’ve essentially sold him on this vision from day one. The idea is this is a better alternative to recruiting a kid like Luke Sutherland or Bennett Kwiecinski who isn’t truly ready to play as a freshman but is probably going to transfer because the only way you got him was selling him on being able to get some early minutes when he’s not really going to get those minutes. Your Coyle’s, Gribben’s, etc are replacing having to recruit a backup center or a backup wing out of the portal. Not taking the place of recruiting Elijah Burns or Anthony Gaines.
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Post by Sienafan on Aug 1, 2022 4:54:29 GMT -5
Good article in the TU about the unlimited transfer rule that is coming and comments from Carm and Killings, but I thought this quote from Carm was strange…. “I do think there can be some strategy with how you recruit and how you build your recruiting model and how many scholarship players you take each year and if you take some recruited walk-ons to build stability, too," Maciariello said. So we will take less talented kids because they should be more likely to stay? I get it if that is all they are is walk-ons but Carm is committing scholarships to them after the first year. Plus how did that strategy work out with Jordon King? I would rather get the most talented players I can get and take my chances with trying to keep them. I think you’re over-interpreting this one. From what I’ve gathered from the staff, the idea is that you recruit walk ons who will be in your program for 3-4 years and as upperclassmen can be a scholarship-level player, so they are setting the culture in your program and giving you some continuity knowing you’re likely to have more turnover at the top of your roster. For example — you recruit Brendan Coyle as a 3 for 4. Your hope is that as a junior and senior, Coyle has developed into a nice player into your rotation who can make shots and be a leader. And you’ve essentially sold him on this vision from day one. The idea is this is a better alternative to recruiting a kid like Luke Sutherland or Bennett Kwiecinski who isn’t truly ready to play as a freshman but is probably going to transfer because the only way you got him was selling him on being able to get some early minutes when he’s not really going to get those minutes. Your Coyle’s, Gribben’s, etc are replacing having to recruit a backup center or a backup wing out of the portal. Not taking the place of recruiting Elijah Burns or Anthony Gaines. I think people see the walk-on designation and assume "not a D1 athlete". That's not necessarily the case, as Jordan King famously displayed that he was a recruited walk-on who was not only a D1 level player, but an all-league player. And before anyone says he was a rarity - I'd submit that's not true anymore. In this age of the insane amount of transfers, a lot of D1 scholarship level high school grads are falling through the cracks and struggling to get offers they otherwise should have expected. Some who do get good offers see them fall through at the last minute because the college coach found a better option in the portal for that roster spot or got fired, leaving them empty-handed with nothing else. Such is the case with someone like Brendan Coyle. These people are now the ones willing to take 3 for 4 deals instead of prepping for a year - which is a waste. You're paying tuition, yet not receiving any college credits. Might as well put that paid year towards college. I foresee a lot more of 3 for 4 arrangements becoming a thing thanks to the portal effect. I think a lot of people are forgetting the fallout from the transfer portal trickling down to high school seniors. Outside of the top 100, their market value has plummeted and landing a D1 scholarship is no longer a sure thing. Carm is among the college coaches turning that drop in high school senior/prep student demand into an advantage.
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Post by saints15 on Aug 1, 2022 14:06:31 GMT -5
I think you’re over-interpreting this one. From what I’ve gathered from the staff, the idea is that you recruit walk ons who will be in your program for 3-4 years and as upperclassmen can be a scholarship-level player, so they are setting the culture in your program and giving you some continuity knowing you’re likely to have more turnover at the top of your roster. For example — you recruit Brendan Coyle as a 3 for 4. Your hope is that as a junior and senior, Coyle has developed into a nice player into your rotation who can make shots and be a leader. And you’ve essentially sold him on this vision from day one. The idea is this is a better alternative to recruiting a kid like Luke Sutherland or Bennett Kwiecinski who isn’t truly ready to play as a freshman but is probably going to transfer because the only way you got him was selling him on being able to get some early minutes when he’s not really going to get those minutes. Your Coyle’s, Gribben’s, etc are replacing having to recruit a backup center or a backup wing out of the portal. Not taking the place of recruiting Elijah Burns or Anthony Gaines. I think people see the walk-on designation and assume "not a D1 athlete". That's not necessarily the case, as Jordan King famously displayed that he was a recruited walk-on who was not only a D1 level player, but an all-league player. And before anyone says he was a rarity - I'd submit that's not true anymore. In this age of the insane amount of transfers, a lot of D1 scholarship level high school grads are falling through the cracks and struggling to get offers they otherwise should have expected. Some who do get good offers see them fall through at the last minute because the college coach found a better option in the portal for that roster spot or got fired, leaving them empty-handed with nothing else. Such is the case with someone like Brendan Coyle. These people are now the ones willing to take 3 for 4 deals instead of prepping for a year - which is a waste. You're paying tuition, yet not receiving any college credits. Might as well put that paid year towards college. I foresee a lot more of 3 for 4 arrangements becoming a thing thanks to the portal effect. I think a lot of people are forgetting the fallout from the transfer portal trickling down to high school seniors. Outside of the top 100, their market value has plummeted and landing a D1 scholarship is no longer a sure thing. Carm is among the college coaches turning that drop in high school senior/prep student demand into an advantage. Not saying they aren’t D1 athletes. Just saying that if Carm is thinking if he takes a slightly less talented player as a walk-on 3 for 4 every year because he is more likely to stay, and can hopefully develop, that isn’t a risk I would take. If it’s me, I’m taking the best players I can find and if they leave then I replace them with hopefully a more talented player. If you want to do that with 1-2 guys (your 12th/13th man), then no problem. But he brought in a few this year and sounds like it will be part of the plan every year. That is settling for talent and I’m not sure if they do develop they are any more likely to stay. In fact, maybe some are pissed that they didn’t get a scholarship and jump if someone better comes calling?
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Post by Sienafan on Aug 1, 2022 18:00:15 GMT -5
What's the basis for your assumption that any of them are slightly less talented players besides the 3 for 4 deals? Coyle had an four year A-10 scholarship offer that fell through because the coach got fired. And he's ranked 8 spots higher than Amari Tice on NERR. That resume doesn't suggest the staff is settling for a slightly less talented player in his case at least.
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