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Post by sienasaint3 on Jan 13, 2014 15:01:45 GMT -5
For those saying we need another point guard, who is going to want to come to a mid major program to sit behind someone? Remember all of the Ronald Moore years, there was never really a backup as Hasbrouck would slide over and take over the point and as I was not a student until Fisher was gone I am assuming he was a backup PG as well. Seems to me that you need a combo guard to backup the PG who gets the majority of minutes as a mid major. Getting a scorer like Hasbrouck and a slasher like Ubiles would be nice now that the team has the good point guard and seems to have some decent rebounders.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 13, 2014 15:10:29 GMT -5
A combo guard has been the solution from 98% of the posters!! lol Of course no true PG is going to want to come here and sit for 3 years. Doesn't mean we can't find a kid good enough to start at the 2G, you can also play the point for a few minutes a night.
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Post by nolesaint on Jan 13, 2014 15:11:50 GMT -5
For the record, I do NOT want a point guard who commits to Siena to back Wright up for 3 years. I want a PG who can be VERY competitive in the A-10 and knows he can compete with Wright day in and day out for PT. In my opinion Taplin fits that bill. The bonus is that it seems to me that Taplin can also play some SG. Watching him on the court he makes great passes, can score the ball and has athleticism that reminds me of Faison. Taplin is at the top of my wish list. That being said I am sure Jimmy & staff are doing their very best to find the best pieces they can to make Siena competitive in the A-10 in 1.5 years. ;-)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2014 15:26:52 GMT -5
For the record, I do NOT want a point guard who commits to Siena to back Wright up for 3 years. I want a PG who can be VERY competitive in the A-10 and knows he can compete with Wright day in and day out for PT. In my opinion Taplin fits that bill. The bonus is that it seems to me that Taplin can also play some SG. Watching him on the court he makes great passes, can score the ball and has athleticism that reminds me of Faison. Taplin is at the top of my wish list. That being said I am sure Jimmy & staff are doing their very best to find the best pieces they can to make Siena competitive in the A-10 in 1.5 years. ;-) How did Greenblood put this? Oh yes" From your mouth to God's ears".
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Jan 13, 2014 16:07:36 GMT -5
For those saying we need another point guard, who is going to want to come to a mid major program to sit behind someone? Remember all of the Ronald Moore years, there was never really a backup as Hasbrouck would slide over and take over the point and as I was not a student until Fisher was gone I am assuming he was a backup PG as well. Chris De La Rosa was recruited as a backup PG but transferred when he realized that he wasn't going to get PT behind Ronald Moore. He transferred to UMBC and led the nation in assists per game his senior year. While I realize that there is a glaring need for a backup PG, to me it makes more sense that it's addressed in the 2015 recruiting class to balance classes. Until then, the combo guard option makes the most sense.
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Post by Tony on Jan 13, 2014 16:30:09 GMT -5
For those saying we need another point guard, who is going to want to come to a mid major program to sit behind someone? Remember all of the Ronald Moore years, there was never really a backup as Hasbrouck would slide over and take over the point and as I was not a student until Fisher was gone I am assuming he was a backup PG as well. Chris De La Rosa was recruited as a backup PG but transferred when he realized that he wasn't going to get PT behind Ronald Moore. He transferred to UMBC and led the nation in assists per game his senior year. While I realize that there is a glaring need for a backup PG, to me it makes more sense that it's addressed in the 2015 recruiting class to balance classes. Until then, the combo guard option makes the most sense. Mitch is that you..LOL Chris De La Rosa was a point guard only-- Taplin is a combo guard-- both Hymes and Poole graduate year after next-- so plenty of time available. You know what good coaches say --if you can play I'll find time for you. Fran was able to sign Clarence Jackson with Ubiles as a freshmen and Kenny as a soph... why because Clarence could play two positions. Hewitt signed Knapp and Archbold with Faision ..Deane signed Mike Brown and Schroeder with Marc Brown and Robinson -- so dont tell me we cant sign a combo guard. Nobody said it would be easy.. but it can be done,... yeah we can wait until 2015... and if wright gets an injury you would be looking at the programs 5th straight losing season-- let that sink in and then tell me we dont need a point guard
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Jan 13, 2014 16:48:03 GMT -5
Chris De La Rosa was recruited as a backup PG but transferred when he realized that he wasn't going to get PT behind Ronald Moore. He transferred to UMBC and led the nation in assists per game his senior year. While I realize that there is a glaring need for a backup PG, to me it makes more sense that it's addressed in the 2015 recruiting class to balance classes. Until then, the combo guard option makes the most sense. Mitch is that you..LOL Chris De La Rosa was a point guard only-- Taplin is a combo guard-- both Hymes and Poole graduate year after next-- so plenty of time available. You know what good coaches say --if you can play I'll find time for you. Fran was able to sign Clarence Jackson with Ubiles as a freshmen and Kenny as a soph... why because Clarence could play two positions. Hewitt signed Knapp and Archbold with Faision ..Deane signed Mike Brown and Schroeder with Marc Brown and Robinson -- so dont tell me we cant sign a combo guard. Nobody said it would be easy.. but it can be done,... yeah we can wait until 2015... and if wright gets an injury you would be looking at the programs 5th straight losing season-- let that sink in and then tell me we dont need a point guard I think you misunderstood my post (or I wasn't clear enough). I agree with you, an impact combo guard should be the target for 2014. I was simply saying that just a "back-up PG" shouldn't be the immediate concern. That can be adressed beginning 2015 if the roster warrants it at that time.
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Post by Tony on Jan 13, 2014 16:53:38 GMT -5
Mitch is that you..LOL Chris De La Rosa was a point guard only-- Taplin is a combo guard-- both Hymes and Poole graduate year after next-- so plenty of time available. You know what good coaches say --if you can play I'll find time for you. Fran was able to sign Clarence Jackson with Ubiles as a freshmen and Kenny as a soph... why because Clarence could play two positions. Hewitt signed Knapp and Archbold with Faision ..Deane signed Mike Brown and Schroeder with Marc Brown and Robinson -- so dont tell me we cant sign a combo guard. Nobody said it would be easy.. but it can be done,... yeah we can wait until 2015... and if wright gets an injury you would be looking at the programs 5th straight losing season-- let that sink in and then tell me we dont need a point guard I think you misunderstood my post (or I wasn't clear enough). I agree with you, an impact combo guard should be the target for 2014. I was simply saying that just a "back-up PG" shouldn't be the immediate concern. That can be adressed beginning 2015 if the roster warrants it at that time. MY bad..I 100% agree with you.. A combo guard now.. can play back up point and some 2 next year. Year after that Poole is gone move Cole to 3-- and have White and new combo fight it out for starting spot-- both would play .. and at any rate say a Taplin, Wright, White is a great rotation at the guard spots..Have Cole at the 3.. I like it... easier said than done.. but would be a very deep line up of guards
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Post by sienasaint3 on Jan 13, 2014 19:54:55 GMT -5
For those saying we need another point guard, who is going to want to come to a mid major program to sit behind someone? Remember all of the Ronald Moore years, there was never really a backup as Hasbrouck would slide over and take over the point and as I was not a student until Fisher was gone I am assuming he was a backup PG as well. Chris De La Rosa was recruited as a backup PG but transferred when he realized that he wasn't going to get PT behind Ronald Moore. He transferred to UMBC and led the nation in assists per game his senior year. While I realize that there is a glaring need for a backup PG, to me it makes more sense that it's addressed in the 2015 recruiting class to balance classes. Until then, the combo guard option makes the most sense. Yes I remember the name, but still kind of proves the point.
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Post by wally1209 on Jan 13, 2014 20:20:16 GMT -5
Chris Delarosa couldn't dribble without looking at the ball. You call him a point guard. I don't know how he was given a scholarship.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 13, 2014 20:35:21 GMT -5
I agree, don't count Siena out of a 4th place finish (and maybe one or two of the current top 5 imploding). We're still young , learning, improving, etc.. No one will want to play us come March (I assuming we'll keep on improving). Remember JO's still coming back from an injury, the other freshman are gaining valuable playing time/experience, Bisping is still improving and now flashes of Oliver & White contributing. We're coming together as a team. We almost beat Iona with no true PG the last 7 mins. That's saying something (positive). I repeat: We almost beat Iona without our starting PG. Next week is the rematch. Let's see if we can steal one down there or at a minimum not lose by double digits. Sign up for the bus trip and take a active stance to cheer the boys live and in person (as for a reactive listening on radio or watching video). The team cannot hear you cheering from the capital district very good at Iona . I have to disagree with one point of your post. We did not almost beat Iona without Wright. As soon as he fouled out Iona went on a 20-6 run. Will be interesting to see where Patsos goes with the starting lineup the next 2 games. Hoops, it's ok to disagree that's what make the board and humans, in general, interesting. I guess I'm a glass half full type of guy. I like to see the positives no matter how small. I view it as Siena almost won this game even without Wright. While I believe we would have won the game with him. My comment still stands that we almost won anyway. If I remember We were only down one or possibly two possessions with like a min or two to go in the game. It wasn't until all those missed opportunities in the last min or two that the outcome was obvious. Until then We still had a chance. You're correct about the 22-9 run the last 7 mins but the last 5-6 Siena was still well within winning this game.
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Post by gorvy on Jan 14, 2014 7:22:06 GMT -5
The point is without Wright on the floor the team is exposed like Miley Cyrus at a photo shoot. The team is 0-4 when he fouls out as Mark Singelais said. Hopefully Patsos can find a way to keep him on the floor, even against more athletic teams.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 14, 2014 9:19:47 GMT -5
The point is without Wright on the floor the team is exposed like Miley Cyrus at a photo shoot. The team is 0-4 when he fouls out as Mark Singelais said. Hopefully Patsos can find a way to keep him on the floor, even against more athletic teams. True & I agree. Could use a back up PG or the Combo guard were trying to get. I was simply saying that I thought we were still in a possission to win this one without Wright in the game (even with playing like crap the last 7 mins). Think about it Iona had to play great and shoot lights out to squeak it out in the end. We were only down a possession or two the final min or two.
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Post by notomo on Jan 14, 2014 12:18:03 GMT -5
The point is without Wright on the floor the team is exposed like Miley Cyrus at a photo shoot. The team is 0-4 when he fouls out as Mark Singelais said. Hopefully Patsos can find a way to keep him on the floor, even against more athletic teams. he can start by sitting him for a few minutes after he collects his 4th foul. Needed to save him for crunch time while we still had the lead. Made the same mistake by not sitting Poole in the second purdue game. Need to protect players from themselves or touchy foul calls by the refs.
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Post by MTS on Jan 14, 2014 12:46:33 GMT -5
The point is without Wright on the floor the team is exposed like Miley Cyrus at a photo shoot. The team is 0-4 when he fouls out as Mark Singelais said. Hopefully Patsos can find a way to keep him on the floor, even against more athletic teams. he can start by sitting him for a few minutes after he collects his 4th foul. Needed to save him for crunch time while we still had the lead. Made the same mistake by not sitting Poole in the second purdue game. Need to protect players from themselves or touchy foul calls by the refs. I agree Jimmy could have sat Marquis when he got his 4th foul but I also can see gambling and leaving him out there too. We go up 4 points and potentially if we push it to an 8-10 point maybe that wins the game. If he takes Wright out with the lead we might lose it completely and all the momentum with it. I don't know what the right answer (well I do a combo guard named Sterling Taplin) but that's why Jimmy is paid the big bucks.
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