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Post by mike on Jan 12, 2014 19:48:19 GMT -5
I'm not sure a combo PG will be the salvation that many hope for. The best solution for the times Wright is out of the game is for everyone else to have more experience running Jimmy's offense. We're making good progress but 17 games is still very little time. I see Poole, Bisping, Hymes & White getting used to it and their roles, but Long & Silas are still finding their way. So no Wright and no experience spells trouble. No Wright but experience with Jimmy's O on the floor is managable (especially with a Pat Cole next year). So you would gamble the entire season on a turned ankle? We have no back up PG on team- that is a major problem. If we were talking a few min here or there to rest Wright- then you might get by with Hymes or Cole- a foul out or heaven forbid a turned ankle and we are in a world of $hit as was evidenced tonight. No thanks I won’t gamble an entire season on having no back up PG and no having other non- point guards do the job isn't the answer either, In fact its borderline irresponsible. Jimmy has an entire off season to address this issue - doing nothing is not the answer.. saying Hymes or Cole is not the answer Wright is a great get. Rare to find a Freshman PG that can impact the game like he can. Jimmy won't be able to recruit a similar player with only "ankle sprain" minutes to offer. So combo guard approach it is. Not sure why you think a Freshman combo guard is better insurance than Cole, Hymes, or Oliver. Experience playing D1 ball and Jimmy's offense give those 3 players a major advantage. I'll take lights out shooters, tenacious defenders & more size over pure PG skills.
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Post by Tony on Jan 12, 2014 19:55:51 GMT -5
So you would gamble the entire season on a turned ankle? We have no back up PG on team- that is a major problem. If we were talking a few min here or there to rest Wright- then you might get by with Hymes or Cole- a foul out or heaven forbid a turned ankle and we are in a world of $hit as was evidenced tonight. No thanks I won’t gamble an entire season on having no back up PG and no having other non- point guards do the job isn't the answer either, In fact its borderline irresponsible. Jimmy has an entire off season to address this issue - doing nothing is not the answer.. saying Hymes or Cole is not the answer Wright is a great get. Rare to find a Freshman PG that can impact the game like he can. Jimmy won't be able to recruit a similar player with only "ankle sprain" minutes to offer. So combo guard approach it is. Not sure why you think a Freshman combo guard is better insurance than Cole, Hymes, or Oliver. Experience playing D1 ball and Jimmy's offense give those 3 players a major advantage. I'll take lights out shooters, tenacious defenders & more size over pure PG skills. C'mon you have seen Hymes play the point? Evan played great today-- but he is no point guard. As for Cole-- have you seen him play? He isn't as good a Point as Evan-- so neither is the answer. You get a guy like Taplin, he can play back up minutes at 1( get 10 min a game there) and play some time at 2.. moves Poole back to 3 full time where he belongs and backs him up with Cole ( who can play the 3 easily ) puts Lavon back to 4 where he belongs.. and I do agree it wont be easy to sign quality player with Wright at the 1. But Hymes and or Cole is NOT the answer
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Post by diamonddog on Jan 12, 2014 20:44:04 GMT -5
Let's focus on what we have now... for this year: I think 4th would be great, 5th-6th place is realistic, 7th-lower is eh. Let us see how the team performs this weekend.
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Post by Tony on Jan 12, 2014 21:04:02 GMT -5
I think Manhattan- Iona Quinny and Canisius all are clearly better than us. I think best we can finish is 5th .. I think we slug it out with Rider the coveted last spot 5th ..Bottom line this team is around a 500 team
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Post by CellarRat on Jan 12, 2014 21:17:01 GMT -5
I think Manhattan- Iona Quinny and Canisius all are clearly better than us. I think best we can finish is 5th .. I think we slug it out with Rider the coveted last spot 5th ..Bottom line this team is around a 500 team These seems realistic. I would love fourth, but it is looking like 5, 6 or 7.
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Post by mike on Jan 12, 2014 21:25:58 GMT -5
Of the top 4, I think we'll match up best with Quinny. Not sure if they'll slide to 4th but barring injuries, that's the only team I can see us beating out for 4th.
I agree 5-7th is probable, but I'm not ready to give up on 4th.
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Post by gorvy on Jan 12, 2014 21:37:25 GMT -5
I'm also not ready to give up on 4th. We were a key foul away from topping Iona today. Canisius hasn't finished in the 4th seed since before these kids were born. Quinny hasn't even finished a full season in the MAAC. Manhattan is solid but struggled to beat Marist. One of these teams is going to implode.
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Post by great10110 on Jan 12, 2014 21:56:35 GMT -5
The Monmouth game is going to be the game we look back on and say WOW., that one hurt. A lot of games left, but looking at the early seeding and looks like we will be in that battle for 5th or 6th. We need to protect home court and win a game or two on the road that we can steal. They don't ask you how you won, only if you won.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 12, 2014 22:01:54 GMT -5
I'm also not ready to give up on 4th. We were a key foul away from topping Iona today. Canisius hasn't finished in the 4th seed since before these kids were born. Quinny hasn't even finished a full season in the MAAC. Manhattan is solid but struggled to beat Marist. One of these teams is going to implode. I agree, don't count Siena out of a 4th place finish (and maybe one or two of the current top 5 imploding). We're still young , learning, improving, etc.. No one will want to play us come March (I assuming we'll keep on improving). Remember JO's still coming back from an injury, the other freshman are gaining valuable playing time/experience, Bisping is still improving and now flashes of Oliver & White contributing. We're coming together as a team. We almost beat Iona with no true PG the last 7 mins. That's saying something (positive). I repeat: We almost beat Iona without our starting PG. Next week is the rematch. Let's see if we can steal one down there or at a minimum not lose by double digits. Sign up for the bus trip and take a active stance to cheer the boys live and in person (as for a reactive listening on radio or watching video). The team cannot hear you cheering from the capital district very good at Iona .
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Post by bigsaintg on Jan 12, 2014 22:07:47 GMT -5
I agree about Monmouth, but I think it will be countered by a game we win that we weren't suppose to.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2014 22:13:46 GMT -5
I'm also not ready to give up on 4th. We were a key foul away from topping Iona today. Canisius hasn't finished in the 4th seed since before these kids were born. Quinny hasn't even finished a full season in the MAAC. Manhattan is solid but struggled to beat Marist. One of these teams is going to implode. I agree, don't count Siena out of a 4th place finish (and maybe one or two of the current top 5 imploding). We're still young , learning, improving, etc.. No one will want to play us come March (I assuming we'll keep on improving). Remember JO's still coming back from an injury, the other freshman are gaining valuable playing time/experience, Bisping is still improving and now flashes of Oliver & White contributing. We're coming together as a team. We almost beat Iona with no true PG the last 7 mins. That's saying something (positive). I repeat: We almost beat Iona without our starting PG. Next week is the rematch. Let's see if we can steal one down there or at a minimum not lose by double digits. Sign up for the bus trip and take a active stance to cheer the boys live and in person (as for a reactive listening on radio or watching video). The team cannot hear you cheering from the capital district very good at Iona . I have to disagree with one point of your post. We did not almost beat Iona without Wright. As soon as he fouled out Iona went on a 20-6 run. Will be interesting to see where Patsos goes with the starting lineup the next 2 games.
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Post by MTS on Jan 12, 2014 22:19:16 GMT -5
My breakdown of the remaining MAAC schedule:
Games we need to win: SPC, Fairfield, Niagara, Monmouth
Games that will be very tough to win: @ Manhattan, @ Iona, @ Quinnipiac
Toss up games: @ Rider, @ Marist, Canisius, @ Fairfield, Quinnipiac, @ St. Peter's, Manhattan
If we go 4-0 in the first category and 0-3 in the second that means we need to go 4-3 in the toss up games to go 8-6 and finish 11-9 which gives you a good chance to finish 5th and get a bye into the MAAC Quarterfinals.
I can see us finishing with anywhere between 9 and 12 MAAC wins. This game hurts but the Monmouth game really hurts. A win today would have erased the Monmouth game almost.
The only thing I worry about is if we lose the next two (very likely as two of the toughest remaining games) is we don't lose confident (a concern with a young team) because the schedule down the stretch is pretty favorable for us to finish strong and potentially in the top 5.
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Post by DelmartianEd on Jan 13, 2014 0:25:02 GMT -5
Games that will be very tough to win: @ Manhattan, @ Iona, @ Quinnipiac We can get Manhattan. George Beamon is out 3-4 weeks with a sprained SC joint in his right shoulder. Last year he played on a sprained ankle and it fractured, which ended his season, so I wouldn't expect Manhattan to try that again with this injury. Manhattan did beat Marist at Draddy today without Beamon, but (a) that's Marist and (b) the Foxes took them to overtime.
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Post by Sienafan on Jan 13, 2014 3:25:22 GMT -5
I was surprised that we did not pound the ball inside more. If we could have gotten our big guys more touches down low and let them shot fake and go up to draw the foul, or kick out to the wing to the guards who can then shoot or drive and dish. We had good offensive flow for the most part of the game until the last 7:00 of the game. I thought Poole should have handled the ball and took his man off the dribble like he was able to do a few time. I thought we played as bad a defensive game that we have since Canisus. Our guards cannot go under ball screens that allow them to shoot 3's and then our help defensive off the dribble was poor. Like Jimmy has said a few times this year, that this team cannot handle winning. We came out flat and played with little intensity and fire. Iona wanted this game more than we did. We can analyze this all we want-- it comes down to what Jimmy has said many times-- both privately to boosters and alumni and in papers- we need more talent. Our Guards are small, we have no true back up point guard. We are young. Lets face it we are about a 500 MAAC ball club this year and nothing wrong with that considering where we were last year. I think we can all agree top priority for recruiting is a combo guard that can play the point... hopefully a guard at least 6'2" Pat Cole is going to be the answer to a lot of the team's shortcomings where guard/wing play is concerned next season. With him, plus a combo to man the 2, back up the 1, it's going to make all the difference in the world. Wouldn't mind picking up an athletic 4 who can run the court either should another scholarship open up. Bisping is too slow to hang with quick teams.
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Post by mjs72 on Jan 13, 2014 5:23:51 GMT -5
Silas had an insane block, almost jumping over the kid, but hurt us with his turnovers and missed chippies. No one has mentioned the missed FTs, 6 on the first half. Oliver and White played well with their minutes. We played a good game against a superior opponent.
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