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Post by hoopsforever on Mar 8, 2024 11:19:40 GMT -5
So, what about Will Brown for Siena's next coach? I was never a big fan of his offense, but he knows how to play defense, and he had many runs with UAlbany at the NCAA's. He is available, and maybe they could talk him into a contract which would allow the college to pay off Carm's contract and then pay Will in the later stages of his contract.
Will Brown has local contacts and brought some decent recruits to UAlbany. He can recruit.
I can't believe I am posting this. Things have gotten so bad, Will Brown looks good, and Carm will totally destroy Siena if he stays another year.
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 8, 2024 11:27:44 GMT -5
NO!!! No more easy, lazy hires. If Siena is going to replace Carm, which I hope they do but doubt they will, conduct a proper search and hire an up and coming talented coach. WB's best days are behind him.
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Post by hoopsforever on Mar 8, 2024 11:36:09 GMT -5
The problem is Siena is NOT in a good position to attract an up and coming coach. If you were in that position, would you want to become the coach of a team ranked in the bottom FIVE of all of Division I ? Siena needs a bridge back to being respectable.
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 8, 2024 11:53:27 GMT -5
The problem is Siena is NOT in a good position to attract an up and coming coach. If you were in that position, would you want to become the coach of a team ranked in the bottom FIVE of all of Division I ? Siena needs a bridge back to being respectable. Ha! Siena has been in that position since Fran left. The bridge back approach will not work. If they are serious about the men's basketball program they will find a way to make the right hire. Will Brown is not the answer.
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Post by sienabkenny on Mar 8, 2024 12:17:32 GMT -5
The problem is Siena is NOT in a good position to attract an up and coming coach. If you were in that position, would you want to become the coach of a team ranked in the bottom FIVE of all of Division I ? Siena needs a bridge back to being respectable. Ha! Siena has been in that position since Fran left. The bride back approach will not work. If they are serious about the men's basketball program they will find a way to make the right hire. Will Brown is not the answer. Agreed. They need someone who is on his ascent in the sport and who has had success as a Head Coach. Jordan Fee and Josh Loeffeler are obtainable guys that fit this description.
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Post by brian on Mar 8, 2024 12:21:26 GMT -5
Not interested in Will Brown. If finances are the sole issue and what is keeping Carm around I would lean in to the D2 and D3 ranks. You have guys at those levels winning at extremely high levels for a decade+ and are making $100k.
I think you can apply the same thought process to them in structuring a contract that has favorable terms in year 1 to help offset the cost of getting rid of Carm while still giving them a sizeable pay increase.
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Post by $cott on Mar 8, 2024 12:39:38 GMT -5
Only way a bridge coach makes sense is if it is an older coach close to retirement and they bring with them a promising young assistant that is groomed as the successor. Will Brown is only 52 so would not really fit that mold.
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 8, 2024 12:51:45 GMT -5
Only way a bridge coach makes sense is if it is an older coach close to retirement and they bring with them a promising young assistant that is groomed as the successor. Will Brown is only 52 so would not really fit that mold. Well, I am not sure that is the right strategy and approach, but if it was Brian Beaury and former Saint, Elijah Burns are right down the street and are out of coaching jobs right now. I think there are better options out their for Siena, though I would not mind seeing EB on the staff. He could certainly help develop the Saints bigs.
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Post by greengold4ever on Mar 8, 2024 13:04:44 GMT -5
So, what about Will Brown for Siena's next coach? I was never a big fan of his offense, but he knows how to play defense, and he had many runs with UAlbany at the NCAA's. He is available, and maybe they could talk him into a contract which would allow the college to pay off Carm's contract and then pay Will in the later stages of his contract. Will Brown has local contacts and brought some decent recruits to UAlbany. He can recruit. I can't believe I am posting this. Things have gotten so bad, Will Brown looks good, and Carm will totally destroy Siena if he stays another year. no thanks............next............
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 8, 2024 13:22:51 GMT -5
You guys are forgetting one big thing when and if we part with Carm we’re 800k in the hole right off the rip. We’re not attracting anyone with pocket change, and the last time we did a search their wasn’t exactly a lot of interest from up and comers. That’s how we ended up with JC. The other options when he was hired were extremely underwhelming. Also as long as DArg is here I don’t want him to be part of any candidate search.
Im sorry to burst a few bubbles but this job isn’t what it once was, we don’t have the cash and given the nature of recruiting today it’s not an easy job.
Will B may be the best option if you want to gamble and see what he can do on the cheap for a couple of years. Otherwise your looking at Carm for another two seasons and he’s been on a 3 year slide already. Also if Carm somehow manages to go 500 or finish middle pack (no man’s land) it’s an even worse scenario for obvious reasons!
IDK man there’s no easy solution but I’d be thinking hard about giving Will a chance.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 8, 2024 13:23:19 GMT -5
Reality for '24-'25:
1) Carm is still our coach
2) Will Brown is the ONLY guy that can replace him THIS year
3) Start up the search in '25, which would get tricky if Carm somehow gets us over .500
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Post by sienabkenny on Mar 8, 2024 13:39:45 GMT -5
You guys are forgetting one big thing when and if we part with Carm we’re 800k in the hole right off the rip. We’re not attracting anyone with pocket change, and the last time we did a search their wasn’t exactly a lot of interest from up and comers. That’s how we ended up with JC. The other options when he was hired were extremely underwhelming. Also as long as DArg of here I don’t want him to be part of any candidate search. Im sorry to burst a few bubbles but this job isn’t what it once was, and given the nature of recruiting today it’s not an easy job. Will B may be the best option if you want to gamble and see what he can do on the cheap for a couple of years. Otherwise you maybe looking at Carm for another two and he’s been on a 3 year slide already. If he happens to go 500 it’s an even worse scenario for obvious reasons! IDK man there’s no easy solution but I’d be thinking hard about giving Will a chance. I would characterize Jamion Christian as an up and comer in 2018. He was 35 going on 36, had two NCAA appearances and was perpetually near the top of the NEC. Siena also could have hired up and comers like Tobin Anderson or Patrick Beilein in 2018. Anderson has obviosuly had success since then and Beilein’s undoing was obviously not his coaching ability. Sure Siena might not be able to get a hot assistant who’s making 400k like a Luke Murray but those big name assistants with no HC experience are a crap shoot anyway. I think they can hire a solid replacement even if they’re not that flush with cash right now.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 8, 2024 13:41:45 GMT -5
You guys are forgetting one big thing when and if we part with Carm we’re 800k in the hole right off the rip. We’re not attracting anyone with pocket change, and the last time we did a search their wasn’t exactly a lot of interest from up and comers. That’s how we ended up with JC. The other options when he was hired were extremely underwhelming. Also as long as DArg of here I don’t want him to be part of any candidate search. Im sorry to burst a few bubbles but this job isn’t what it once was, and given the nature of recruiting today it’s not an easy job. Will B may be the best option if you want to gamble and see what he can do on the cheap for a couple of years. Otherwise you maybe looking at Carm for another two and he’s been on a 3 year slide already. If he happens to go 500 it’s an even worse scenario for obvious reasons! IDK man there’s no easy solution but I’d be thinking hard about giving Will a chance. I would characterize Jamion Christian as an up and comer in 2018. He was 35, had two NCAA appearances and was perpetually near the top of the NEC. Siena also could have hired up and comers like Tobin Anderson or Patrick Beilein in 2018. Anderson has obviosuly had success since then and Beilein’s undoing was obviously not his coaching ability. Sure Siena might not be able to get a hot assistant who’s making 400k like a Luke Murray but those guys are crap shoots anyway. I think they can hire a solid replacement even if they’re not that flush with cash right now. We saw Beilein’s character @ his 1st gig & Tobin didn’t exactly nail it at Iona this season. JC sure he was talked about but so what he screwed us after 1 season and flamed out at his next stop. So….. If Siena’s paying Carm we have no $$$ to make a splash hire. EOS!
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Post by hoopsforever on Mar 8, 2024 13:48:57 GMT -5
You guys are forgetting one big thing when and if we part with Carm we’re 800k in the hole right off the rip. We’re not attracting anyone with pocket change, and the last time we did a search their wasn’t exactly a lot of interest from up and comers. That’s how we ended up with JC. The other options when he was hired were extremely underwhelming. Also as long as DArg is here I don’t want him to be part of any candidate search. Im sorry to burst a few bubbles but this job isn’t what it once was, we don’t have the cash and given the nature of recruiting today it’s not an easy job. Will B may be the best option if you want to gamble and see what he can do on the cheap for a couple of years. Otherwise you maybe looking at Carm for another two and he’s been on a 3 year slide already. Also if he somehow manages to go 500 or finish middle pack (no man’s land) it’s an even worse scenario for obvious reasons! IDK man there’s no easy solution but I’d be thinking hard about giving Will a chance. I agree - Will Brown is someone to take a look at. Fans, under the circumstances of a payoff to get rid of the present coach, have to look at reality and not the "perfect answer". When you have a big payout commitment, your options narrow really fast. Siena is not going to find people beating down the door to interview.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 8, 2024 13:50:29 GMT -5
Truth is, Brown is ONLY guy out there that would take a 2-year show-me-something, $250K (total), deal right now. Since we're on the hook for $700-$800K the next 2 years, a sweetheart deal like that is the only one thats realistic. We sure as hell arent going to pay a fired Carm and a hotshot close to a million each of the next two years.
Whats the downside for Brown? I cant think of one. Plenty of upside for him though.
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