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Post by OneIndian on Mar 8, 2024 15:04:57 GMT -5
Nah, he only took that job so he could take over the mens team next year. That plan was obviously dashed with the schools closing. Lets not forget he won big in the CBA 2 years ago too. Is he perfect? No, but he's only qualified guy that would do it for $100-$125 a year for 2 years. He wins, so do we. He loses, we start a fresh search after we get out from under Carms contract. Zero chance he is taking a 2 year deal. Only way he is coaching at a discount in years 1-2 is if he has years 3-5 guaranteed at market rate. That’s not what’s being said. He wants his foot in the door. What other options does he have. He takes the gig for below market rate. If he achieves he cashes in, if not he’s back to square one. Where is Will going for six figures tomorrow?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 8, 2024 15:06:38 GMT -5
Nah, he only took that job so he could take over the mens team next year. That plan was obviously dashed with the schools closing. Lets not forget he won big in the CBA 2 years ago too. Is he perfect? No, but he's only qualified guy that would do it for $100-$125 a year for 2 years. He wins, so do we. He loses, we start a fresh search after we get out from under Carms contract. Zero chance he is taking a 2 year deal. Only way he is coaching at a discount in years 1-2 is if he has years 3-5 guaranteed at market rate. Then he doesnt get the job. He's in no position to dictate the deal. He's getting a GREAT opportunity in a place he calls home. a place he and his family dont want to leave. He gets a chance to stick it up UA's ass. What was he making at St Rose? With the Patroons? $100K would be great at this point, and getting 2 years to show the administration he can win is fair. Simple. He wins, he gets a 4 year deal at at $350-$400. He loses, he applies for the HVCC Girls job in '27. He's got nothing to lose.
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Post by greengold4ever on Mar 8, 2024 15:06:43 GMT -5
Will has found his comfort zone in coaching women's basketball. Let's leave him in that lane. Should the Siena Men's HC position open up and if the College conducts an appropriate search, there will be plenty of qualified candidates to interview and pick from. Coaches that will certainly do a better job than Carm. Nah, he only took that job so he could take over the mens team next year. That plan was obviously dashed with the schools closing. Lets not forget he won big in the CBA 2 years ago too. Is he perfect? No, but he's only qualified guy that would do it for $100-$125 a year for 2 years. He wins, so do we. He loses, we start a fresh search after we get out from under Carms contract. Again, this entire scenerio is based on the 3/4 of a million we owe a guy that is going to go 4-28. No legit candidate would take this job for $100K.....except Brown, who has an unusual situation. is he able to recruit though or motivated enough in that area, and is he viable in a kids living room anymore.......those are legit concerns.......do you want a Bill Guthridge caretaker type?..........we certainly could do worse with the next HC, but we also likely could do better..........TBD....
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 8, 2024 15:07:45 GMT -5
1. This has absolutely nothing to do with defining up/comer, 2. it has nothing to do with me having a pesamistic view. It’s a reality check. If you believe Siena is going to commit $750 k or more annually to a basketball coach in this climate you’re not being very realistic. It not a question of me being right, I’m telling you it’s not happening. As far as the coaches you brought up Beilein wasn’t a lock for anything. Tobin didn’t achieve in year 1 (unless he pulls a rabbit out his as*) & JC left us high and dry & flamed out. We’re not going on the hook for a repeat of that ….. Carm has as good a chance of hitting 500 next year vs us spending $750k on a risky hire and achieving the same results. Will B is probably the only guy that’s in position to come in here and work on the cheap. Is he worth the risk and is Siena fed up enough with Carm’s results? That’s for those in charge to decide. In 2018, all three of those guys were desirable hires in the MAAC!! We shall see how it plays out. I’ll go on record as predicting Carm nor Will Brown will be the coach next year. If I turn out to be wrong, I’ll come back here and admit such. Really desirable? One ended up at Niagara, one stayed D2 and the other went 500. You’re a revisionist thinker. They were mediocre risky candidates in 2018 and the results at that time showed it.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 8, 2024 15:09:39 GMT -5
Nah, he only took that job so he could take over the mens team next year. That plan was obviously dashed with the schools closing. Lets not forget he won big in the CBA 2 years ago too. Is he perfect? No, but he's only qualified guy that would do it for $100-$125 a year for 2 years. He wins, so do we. He loses, we start a fresh search after we get out from under Carms contract. Again, this entire scenerio is based on the 3/4 of a million we owe a guy that is going to go 4-28. No legit candidate would take this job for $100K.....except Brown, who has an unusual situation. is he able to recruit though or motivated enough in that area, and is he viable in a kids living room anymore.......those are legit concerns.......do you want a Bill Guthridge caretaker type?..........we certainly could do worse with the next HC, but we also likely could do better..........TBD.... Id rather have that option and see how it pans out than stick with 4-28 and hear things like, "Why would I be gone?" or "I dont care what place we finish in" No one is saying its perfect, but D'Arg painted us into this corner. The Brown option is a decent one IMO that most D-1 schools would be happy to have at this time and place our program is at.
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Post by brian on Mar 8, 2024 15:14:18 GMT -5
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 8, 2024 15:16:02 GMT -5
Nah, he only took that job so he could take over the mens team next year. That plan was obviously dashed with the schools closing. Lets not forget he won big in the CBA 2 years ago too. Is he perfect? No, but he's only qualified guy that would do it for $100-$125 a year for 2 years. He wins, so do we. He loses, we start a fresh search after we get out from under Carms contract. Again, this entire scenerio is based on the 3/4 of a million we owe a guy that is going to go 4-28. No legit candidate would take this job for $100K.....except Brown, who has an unusual situation. is he able to recruit though or motivated enough in that area, and is he viable in a kids living room anymore.......those are legit concerns.......do you want a Bill Guthridge caretaker type?..........we certainly could do worse with the next HC, but we also likely could do better..........TBD.... Face it’s either we keep Carm, or roll the dice and see if Will Brown can do anything. The only thing I’m certain of is that we’re not spending ~$750k annually on a coach. Pick your poison.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 8, 2024 15:17:04 GMT -5
So fire Carm, give him $400K, and how much would you give this guy coming down from a P6 team?? $500K? Do you really think that works?
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Post by $cott on Mar 8, 2024 15:19:54 GMT -5
Seems like the best move for Brown would be to get a job at another SUNY school at the D3 level and continue to build that pension. If he's successful then he could jump back to D1.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 8, 2024 15:20:22 GMT -5
So fire Carm, give him $400K, and how much would you give this guy coming down from a P6 team?? $500K? Do you really think that works? It’s not registering with some of these posters that we’re not spending that kind of money or increasing our annual budget for a basketball coach. Darg has us over a barrel.
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Post by brian on Mar 8, 2024 15:25:00 GMT -5
So fire Carm, give him $400K, and how much would you give this guy coming down from a P6 team?? $500K? Do you really think that works? It’s not registering with some of these posters that we’re not spending that kind of money or increasing our annual budget for a basketball coach. Darg has us over a barrel. It’s not registering with you and hj that your assumption that brown is the only one willing and able to work around the finances in year 1 and 2 may not be accurate.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 8, 2024 15:26:36 GMT -5
It’s not registering with some of these posters that we’re not spending that kind of money or increasing our annual budget for a basketball coach. Darg has us over a barrel. It’s not registering with you and hj that your assumption that brown is the only one willing and able to work around the finances in year 1 and 2 may not be accurate. Lmfao like the P5 - 6 coach you floated. Give him a call I’ll listen for the laughter from here …
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Post by sienabkenny on Mar 8, 2024 15:31:55 GMT -5
In 2018, all three of those guys were desirable hires in the MAAC!! We shall see how it plays out. I’ll go on record as predicting Carm nor Will Brown will be the coach next year. If I turn out to be wrong, I’ll come back here and admit such. Really desirable? One ended up at Niagara, one stayed D2 and the other went 500. You’re a revisionist thinker. They were mediocre risky candidates in 2018 and the results at that time showed it. We just disagree on them as candidates. I think they were up and comers in 2018. You don’t which is fine. I went back and looked at the top of your wish list and you had Travis Steele and Chris Caputo. Steele recruited well at Xavier but couldn’t coach a lick…similar story at Miami (OH). Chris Caputo had a solid first year at GW but is in last place this year. I give you credit because you had Shaheen Holloway lower but still on your list. Seems like you like young up and coming assistants, I prefer young guys who’ve had success as a HC. Both have their merits, we just disagree. I don’t have any inside info I just don’t think Carm nor Will Brown will be the coach next year. Again I’ll be the first one to admit if I’m wrong.
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Post by brian on Mar 8, 2024 15:32:22 GMT -5
It’s not registering with you and hj that your assumption that brown is the only one willing and able to work around the finances in year 1 and 2 may not be accurate. Lmfao like the P5 - 6 coach you floated. Give him a call I’ll listen for the laughter from here … Hey jackass, the guy was Patsos’d and fired for cause and needed to sue the school to get a settlement. He’s been out of coaching for 2 years now and acknowledged in that article he’s going to have to take several steps back in an effort to return to coaching. But sure he won’t be flexible at all.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 8, 2024 15:37:06 GMT -5
Lmfao like the P5 - 6 coach you floated. Give him a call I’ll listen for the laughter from here … Hey jackass, the guy was Patsos’d and fired for cause and needed to sue the school to get a settlement. He’s been out of coaching for 2 years now and acknowledged in that article he’s going to have to take several steps back in an effort to return to coaching. But sure he won’t be flexible at all. Jackass? Come on dude stop the nonsense. So he’ll come to Siena to work for peanuts? 1. Siena wouldnt hire Pitino 2. This guy could make more as an assistant vs what Siena could pay under the current circumstances. Let’s be realistic instead of scouring the internet for unemployed coaches and tossing names at a wall that have zero shot of happening lets stick to the topic. This boils down to Siena sticking with Carm or taking Will Brown up on his offer. We’re not conducting a candidate search while we’re $800k in the hole with DArg’s boy.
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