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Post by greengold4ever on Mar 8, 2024 13:57:05 GMT -5
a few things in the way of Brown..............he has zero offensive mindset, was fortunate to grab Jamar Wilson when he did, of course saying that in present times Jamar would have left UA asap and not stuck around for 4 years........perhaps more prominent, strong inside faction within the powers to be at Siena that would never take him because of being at UA, just saying................
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Post by sienabkenny on Mar 8, 2024 13:57:53 GMT -5
I would characterize Jamion Christian as an up and comer in 2018. He was 35, had two NCAA appearances and was perpetually near the top of the NEC. Siena also could have hired up and comers like Tobin Anderson or Patrick Beilein in 2018. Anderson has obviosuly had success since then and Beilein’s undoing was obviously not his coaching ability. Sure Siena might not be able to get a hot assistant who’s making 400k like a Luke Murray but those guys are crap shoots anyway. I think they can hire a solid replacement even if they’re not that flush with cash right now. We saw Beilein’s character @ his 1st gig & Tobin didn’t exactly nail it at Iona this season. Who said JC was an up and comer? If Siena’s paying Carm we have no $$$ to make a splash hire. EOS! I think the fact that Christian got hired at GW after having a promising but just a 17-16 season at Siena speaks to how he was perceived. I’ll also link to an article where he is being talked about as a candidate at Georgetown in 2017- sure he was low on the list but the fact he was even mentioned speaks volumes. www.casualhoya.com/2017/3/27/15083888/georgetown-hoyas-head-coach-candidate-jamion-christianTobin hasn’t been great this year but last year he almost made the sweet 16 at FDU. We’ll see how he does going forward but he has had success at the D1 level. They made the right decision not hiring Beilein but I would consider him an up and comer in 2018. Gannon’s former coach is suing them and demanding they pay out his salary of $106,000. If we assume Gannon’s current coach Jordan Fee is making $150,000. Do we really think Siena can’t offer him $200,000-$250,000 and convince him to leave? |
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 8, 2024 13:59:47 GMT -5
Truth is, Brown is ONLY guy out there that would take a 2-year show-me-something, $250K (total), deal right now. Since we're on the hook for $700-$800K the next 2 years, a sweetheart deal like that is the only one thats realistic. We sure as hell arent going to pay a fired Carm and a hotshot close to a million each of the next two years. Whats the downside for Brown? I cant think of one. Plenty of upside for him though. He blocked me on Twitter about 8 years ago so I wouldn’t be able to get his updates lol |
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 8, 2024 14:00:01 GMT -5
We saw Beilein’s character @ his 1st gig & Tobin didn’t exactly nail it at Iona this season. Who said JC was an up and comer? If Siena’s paying Carm we have no $$$ to make a splash hire. EOS! I think the fact that Christian got hired at GW after having a promising but just a 17-16 season at Siena speaks to how he was perceived. I’ll also link to an article where he is being talked about as a candidate at Georgetown in 2017- sure he was low on the list but the fact he was even mentioned speaks volumes. www.casualhoya.com/2017/3/27/15083888/georgetown-hoyas-head-coach-candidate-jamion-christianTobin hasn’t been great this year but last year he almost made the sweet 16 at FDU. We’ll see how he does going forward but he has had success at the D1 level. They made the right decision not hiring Beilein but I would consider him an up and comer in 2018. Gannon’s former coach is suing them and demanding they pay out his salary of $106,000. If we assume Gannon’s current coach Jordan Fee is making $150,000. Do we really think Siena can’t offer him $200,000-$250,000 and convince him to leave? So what’s your point? Jury is out on Tobin and JC was fired! I think that says it all! We’re not going in the hole to gamble and spend. On top of $800k NO we’re not adding another $500k for 2 years. That’s $750 ish (maybe more) per season, not happening. Not in this economic climate & not with the enrollment cliff looming. |
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Post by hoopsforever on Mar 8, 2024 14:08:54 GMT -5
Will Brown knows basketball, and he would make solid coaching decisions, not things where everyone would question his every move. Carm has to go. Start there. Siena is in a huge hole due to the contract with Carm - a mistake, but everyone has to accept that is where the school is. Brown is the answer. Get back to respectable, middle of the pack, get out from under the financial obligations, and then hope Siena can attract someone. Brown would do a decent job. How many times has he won games when he was given no chance? How many times has Carm done that? Just compare the two and stop thinking that Siena is the perfect choice for young up and coming coaches. Siena is the pits of Division I, on the edge of pulling a Hartford and going back to a lower division. We need a tow truck driver to pull us out of this mess!!!!!!!!!
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Post by sienabkenny on Mar 8, 2024 14:15:14 GMT -5
I think the fact that Christian got hired at GW after having a promising but just a 17-16 season at Siena speaks to how he was perceived. I’ll also link to an article where he is being talked about as a candidate at Georgetown in 2017- sure he was low on the list but the fact he was even mentioned speaks volumes. www.casualhoya.com/2017/3/27/15083888/georgetown-hoyas-head-coach-candidate-jamion-christianTobin hasn’t been great this year but last year he almost made the sweet 16 at FDU. We’ll see how he does going forward but he has had success at the D1 level. They made the right decision not hiring Beilein but I would consider him an up and comer in 2018. Gannon’s former coach is suing them and demanding they pay out his salary of $106,000. If we assume Gannon’s current coach Jordan Fee is making $150,000. Do we really think Siena can’t offer him $200,000-$250,000 and convince him to leave? So what’s your point? Jury is out on Tobin and JC was fired! I think that says it all! On top of $800k NO we’re not adding another $500k for 2 years. That’s $750 ish (maybe more) per season, not happening. Maybe it comes down to how you define up and comer. My point is you have a pessimistic view on who they’ll attract because in your view in 2018 they didn’t attract any up and comers. I would characterize JC as an up and comer in 2018, along with Beilein and Anderson. As far as the money, I just disagree that they would have to hire somebody on the cheap like Will Brown. You could be right, we shall see. |
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Post by sienabkenny on Mar 8, 2024 14:20:57 GMT -5
Will Brown knows basketball, and he would make solid coaching decisions, not things where everyone would question his every move. Carm has to go. Start there. Siena is in a huge hole due to the contract with Carm - a mistake, but everyone has to accept that is where the school is. Brown is the answer. Get back to respectable, middle of the pack, get out from under the financial obligations, and then hope Siena can attract someone. Brown would do a decent job. How many times has he won games when he was given no chance? How many times has Carm done that? Just compare the two and stop thinking that Siena is the perfect choice for young up and coming coaches. Siena is the pits of Division I, on the edge of pulling a Hartford and going back to a lower division. We need a tow truck driver to pull us out of this mess!!!!!!!!! Will Brown was a solid coach at Albany- I’m not trying to disparage him at all. It’s just that he’s been out of the Men’s College basketball game for 3 years now during a time where there has been drastic change. Also, the optics of hiring somebody who was fired by your crosstown rival isn’t the best. |
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Post by hoopsforever on Mar 8, 2024 14:26:03 GMT -5
Will Brown knows basketball, and he would make solid coaching decisions, not things where everyone would question his every move. Carm has to go. Start there. Siena is in a huge hole due to the contract with Carm - a mistake, but everyone has to accept that is where the school is. Brown is the answer. Get back to respectable, middle of the pack, get out from under the financial obligations, and then hope Siena can attract someone. Brown would do a decent job. How many times has he won games when he was given no chance? How many times has Carm done that? Just compare the two and stop thinking that Siena is the perfect choice for young up and coming coaches. Siena is the pits of Division I, on the edge of pulling a Hartford and going back to a lower division. We need a tow truck driver to pull us out of this mess!!!!!!!!! Will Brown was a solid coach at Albany- I’m not trying to disparage him at all. It’s just that he’s been out of the Men’s College basketball game for 3 years now during a time where there has been drastic change. Also, the optics of hiring somebody who was fired by your crosstown rival isn’t the best. I understand what you are saying, but in the real world, I think Siena has TWO and only two choices - keep Carm for two more years or fire him and give Will Brown a chance to save this program. I don't think Siena has any other choices. They cannot afford and will not afford over a million dollars in coaching salaries- it just will not happen. Will Brown would have a lot to prove by accepting and he would work his tail off. That is what the program needs right now. |
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Post by MTS on Mar 8, 2024 14:30:14 GMT -5
Will Brown was a solid coach at Albany- I’m not trying to disparage him at all. It’s just that he’s been out of the Men’s College basketball game for 3 years now during a time where there has been drastic change. Also, the optics of hiring somebody who was fired by your crosstown rival isn’t the best. I understand what you are saying, but in the real world, I think Siena has TWO and only two choices - keep Carm for two more years or fire him and give Will Brown a chance to save this program. I don't think Siena has any other choices. They cannot afford and will not afford over a million dollars in coaching salaries- it just will not happen. Will Brown would have a lot to prove by accepting and he would work his tail off. That is what the program needs right now. Or say to Carm’s it’s 20 wins and NCAA or bust next year to get extended. Eating one year is not a problem. |
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 8, 2024 14:38:35 GMT -5
Will has found his comfort zone in coaching women's basketball. Let's leave him in that lane. Should the Siena Men's HC position open up and if the College conducts an appropriate search, there will be plenty of qualified candidates to interview and pick from. Coaches that will certainly do a better job than Carm.
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 8, 2024 14:54:31 GMT -5
So what’s your point? Jury is out on Tobin and JC was fired! I think that says it all! On top of $800k NO we’re not adding another $500k for 2 years. That’s $750 ish (maybe more) per season, not happening. Maybe it comes down to how you define up and comer. My point is you have a pessimistic view on who they’ll attract because in your view in 2018 they didn’t attract any up and comers. I would characterize JC as an up and comer in 2018, along with Beilein and Anderson. As far as the money, I just disagree that they would have to hire somebody on the cheap like Will Brown. You could be right, we shall see. 1. This has absolutely nothing to do with defining up/comer, 2. it has nothing to do with me having a pesamistic view. It’s a reality check. If you believe Siena is going to commit $750 k or more annually to a basketball coach in this climate you’re not being very realistic. It not a question of me being right, I’m telling you it’s not happening. As far as the coaches you brought up Beilein wasn’t a lock for anything. Tobin didn’t achieve in year 1 (unless he pulls a rabbit out his as*) & JC left us high and dry & flamed out. We’re not going on the hook for a repeat of that ….. Carm has as good a chance of hitting 500 next year vs us spending $750k on a risky hire and achieving the same results. Will B is probably the only guy that’s in position to come in here and work on the cheap. Is he worth the risk and is Siena fed up enough with Carm’s results? That’s for those in charge to decide. |
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Post by marshotel on Mar 8, 2024 14:54:32 GMT -5
If the price was right and it was a stop gap for 2 years only. No question, I'd drop Carm like a hot potato.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 8, 2024 14:57:47 GMT -5
Will has found his comfort zone in coaching women's basketball. Let's leave him in that lane. Should the Siena Men's HC position open up and if the College conducts an appropriate search, there will be plenty of qualified candidates to interview and pick from. Coaches that will certainly do a better job than Carm. Nah, he only took that job so he could take over the mens team next year. That plan was obviously dashed with the schools closing. Lets not forget he won big in the CBA 2 years ago too. Is he perfect? No, but he's only qualified guy that would do it for $100-$125 a year for 2 years. He wins, so do we. He loses, we start a fresh search after we get out from under Carms contract. Again, this entire scenerio is based on the 3/4 of a million we owe a guy that is going to go 4-28. No legit candidate would take this job for $100K.....except Brown, who has an unusual situation. |
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Post by brian on Mar 8, 2024 15:01:43 GMT -5
Will has found his comfort zone in coaching women's basketball. Let's leave him in that lane. Should the Siena Men's HC position open up and if the College conducts an appropriate search, there will be plenty of qualified candidates to interview and pick from. Coaches that will certainly do a better job than Carm. Nah, he only took that job so he could take over the mens team next year. That plan was obviously dashed with the schools closing. Lets not forget he won big in the CBA 2 years ago too. Is he perfect? No, but he's only qualified guy that would do it for $100-$125 a year for 2 years. He wins, so do we. He loses, we start a fresh search after we get out from under Carms contract. Zero chance he is taking a 2 year deal. Only way he is coaching at a discount in years 1-2 is if he has years 3-5 guaranteed at market rate. |
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Post by sienabkenny on Mar 8, 2024 15:04:00 GMT -5
Maybe it comes down to how you define up and comer. My point is you have a pessimistic view on who they’ll attract because in your view in 2018 they didn’t attract any up and comers. I would characterize JC as an up and comer in 2018, along with Beilein and Anderson. As far as the money, I just disagree that they would have to hire somebody on the cheap like Will Brown. You could be right, we shall see. 1. This has absolutely nothing to do with defining up/comer, 2. it has nothing to do with me having a pesamistic view. It’s a reality check. If you believe Siena is going to commit $750 k or more annually to a basketball coach in this climate you’re not being very realistic. It not a question of me being right, I’m telling you it’s not happening. As far as the coaches you brought up Beilein wasn’t a lock for anything. Tobin didn’t achieve in year 1 (unless he pulls a rabbit out his as*) & JC left us high and dry & flamed out. We’re not going on the hook for a repeat of that ….. Carm has as good a chance of hitting 500 next year vs us spending $750k on a risky hire and achieving the same results. Will B is probably the only guy that’s in position to come in here and work on the cheap. Is he worth the risk and is Siena fed up enough with Carm’s results? That’s for those in charge to decide. In 2018, all three of those guys were desirable hires in the MAAC!! We shall see how it plays out. I’ll go on record as predicting Carm nor Will Brown will be the coach next year. If I turn out to be wrong, I’ll come back here and admit such. |
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