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Post by MTS on Apr 17, 2018 14:16:41 GMT -5
I’ve been mostly quiet on Pitino rumors. Anyone who is a proponent of it (I think I stand on that side of things at this point) is saying they are willing to deal with the devil to win basketball games and make money. There are a lot of dirty coaches out there, Rick is the dirtiest of them all. You name it, he’s done it. He’s a degenerate. Don’t try to justify any of it. Would I hire him? I think so. The dude can coach. He’d bring incredible excitement, attention, and pedigree to the team an the region. I think it would be a net positive. The team would recruit at an extremely high level, play a fun style, and play on TV a ton. That said, it’s still exceedingly risky to do. There is “junk in the trunk” at Siena, minor violations that could be made to look a lot worse with increased NCAA scrutiny that we would undoubtably draw. Not to mention, there’s a really good chance that at some point in the next 2 years Rick Pitino will get a show-cause from the NCAA that will suspend him somewhere between a few games and a few seasons depending on what allegations can be proven. Not to mention the initial negative media attention Siena would receive. Can it happen? I’m not sure. I think D’Argenio would do it. One thing he’s shown he’s capable of doing is fundraising and getting stuff done that big money people want, and he could go out a hero with all of his mistakes ignored I he’s the guy that brings a winner like that to Loudonville. However, I’m also almost entirely sure Brother Ed wouldn’t go for. He’s not as basketball-centric as Father Kevin and I think he’d have major, major qualms with hiring a guy with RP’s reputation. IF HJ’s rumor of Father Kevin being with DArg is true, that is huge. He has sway on the board, and the only way this can get done is if the board can overrule Brother Ed. If this becomes a realistic scenario, there will be pressure from everywhere. I’d guess Bob Belber uses any sway he has to push for Rick. I’d guess people on the academic and fundraising side push for anyone but Rick. Obviously athletics donations would go up big, but I have to imagine a lot of donors wouldn’t be pleased that this guy represents the college when they are donors who don’t like the amount of attention that basketball gets as it is. Decisions, decisions. I don’t envy those in charge of this one— it’s an insanely tough one when you look at things beyond the scope of a Siena basketball super fan who wants to win an NCAA Tournament game or two. Praying we make the right one. I can't imagine any big time basketball donors not wanting him. The academics are another story. I've never got then except for their massive egos. A successful basketball program provides a better pool off applications. A rising tide lifts all boats! They should want the program to excel. Ask Loyola-Chicago what their run did for their exposure. When Siena beat Vanderbilt and Ohio State the attention the school got was tremendous - you can't buy that advertisement. Or would you rather have 8 years of losing with a boring coach and a whackadoo coach putting the school in a bad light?
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Post by Quackman on Apr 17, 2018 14:38:04 GMT -5
I’ve been mostly quiet on Pitino rumors. Anyone who is a proponent of it (I think I stand on that side of things at this point) is saying they are willing to deal with the devil to win basketball games and make money. There are a lot of dirty coaches out there, Rick is the dirtiest of them all. You name it, he’s done it. He’s a degenerate. Don’t try to justify any of it. Would I hire him? I think so. The dude can coach. He’d bring incredible excitement, attention, and pedigree to the team an the region. I think it would be a net positive. The team would recruit at an extremely high level, play a fun style, and play on TV a ton. That said, it’s still exceedingly risky to do. There is “junk in the trunk” at Siena, minor violations that could be made to look a lot worse with increased NCAA scrutiny that we would undoubtably draw. Not to mention, there’s a really good chance that at some point in the next 2 years Rick Pitino will get a show-cause from the NCAA that will suspend him somewhere between a few games and a few seasons depending on what allegations can be proven. Not to mention the initial negative media attention Siena would receive. Can it happen? I’m not sure. I think D’Argenio would do it. One thing he’s shown he’s capable of doing is fundraising and getting stuff done that big money people want, and he could go out a hero with all of his mistakes ignored I he’s the guy that brings a winner like that to Loudonville. However, I’m also almost entirely sure Brother Ed wouldn’t go for. He’s not as basketball-centric as Father Kevin and I think he’d have major, major qualms with hiring a guy with RP’s reputation. IF HJ’s rumor of Father Kevin being with DArg is true, that is huge. He has sway on the board, and the only way this can get done is if the board can overrule Brother Ed. If this becomes a realistic scenario, there will be pressure from everywhere. I’d guess Bob Belber uses any sway he has to push for Rick. I’d guess people on the academic and fundraising side push for anyone but Rick. Obviously athletics donations would go up big, but I have to imagine a lot of donors wouldn’t be pleased that this guy represents the college when they are donors who don’t like the amount of attention that basketball gets as it is. Decisions, decisions. I don’t envy those in charge of this one— it’s an insanely tough one when you look at things beyond the scope of a Siena basketball super fan who wants to win an NCAA Tournament game or two. Praying we make the right one. I can't imagine any big time basketball donors not wanting him. The academics are another story. I've never got then except for their massive egos. A successful basketball program makes provides a better pool off applications. A rising tide lifts all boats! They should want the program to excel. As Loyola-Chicago what their run did for their exposure. When Siena beat Vanderbilt and Ohio State the attention the school got was tremendous - you can't buy that advertisement. Or what you rather have 8 years of losing with a boring coach and a whackadoo coach putting the school in a bad light? Says the Russell Sage grad still living in his momma's basement.
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Post by glen on Apr 17, 2018 14:40:48 GMT -5
Nola - MTS is accurate on this one.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 17, 2018 14:48:37 GMT -5
I’ve been mostly quiet on Pitino rumors. Anyone who is a proponent of it (I think I stand on that side of things at this point) is saying they are willing to deal with the devil to win basketball games and make money. There are a lot of dirty coaches out there, Rick is the dirtiest of them all. You name it, he’s done it. He’s a degenerate. Don’t try to justify any of it. Would I hire him? I think so. The dude can coach. He’d bring incredible excitement, attention, and pedigree to the team an the region. I think it would be a net positive. The team would recruit at an extremely high level, play a fun style, and play on TV a ton. That said, it’s still exceedingly risky to do. There is “junk in the trunk” at Siena, minor violations that could be made to look a lot worse with increased NCAA scrutiny that we would undoubtably draw. Not to mention, there’s a really good chance that at some point in the next 2 years Rick Pitino will get a show-cause from the NCAA that will suspend him somewhere between a few games and a few seasons depending on what allegations can be proven. Not to mention the initial negative media attention Siena would receive. Can it happen? I’m not sure. I think D’Argenio would do it. One thing he’s shown he’s capable of doing is fundraising and getting stuff done that big money people want, and he could go out a hero with all of his mistakes ignored I he’s the guy that brings a winner like that to Loudonville. However, I’m also almost entirely sure Brother Ed wouldn’t go for. He’s not as basketball-centric as Father Kevin and I think he’d have major, major qualms with hiring a guy with RP’s reputation. IF HJ’s rumor of Father Kevin being with DArg is true, that is huge. He has sway on the board, and the only way this can get done is if the board can overrule Brother Ed. If this becomes a realistic scenario, there will be pressure from everywhere. I’d guess Bob Belber uses any sway he has to push for Rick. I’d guess people on the academic and fundraising side push for anyone but Rick. Obviously athletics donations would go up big, but I have to imagine a lot of donors wouldn’t be pleased that this guy represents the college when they are donors who don’t like the amount of attention that basketball gets as it is. Decisions, decisions. I don’t envy those in charge of this one— it’s an insanely tough one when you look at things beyond the scope of a Siena basketball super fan who wants to win an NCAA Tournament game or two. Praying we make the right one. To be clear, I didn't mention Brother Kevin, all I said was D'Arg was rumored to be in NYC today meeting with RP. The timing makes sense. See how real this is all is befire giving the job to a D-2 guy.
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Post by MTS on Apr 17, 2018 14:51:18 GMT -5
Nola - MTS is accurate on this one. Of course am I ... look I get the concerns with Pitino but winning in basketball is a HUGE factor for Siena. It's what makes Siena stand out. Siena's not Harvard. Great students aren't going to flock there. You seed a strong men's basketball program. That is not saying they should drop their pants and have no standards but some of these professors don't see the forest through the trees. The program's been down too long. Pitino might not be the answer but they have to nail this hire. One more dud would kill the program for good. No more nice guys who lose like Mitch or clown shows like Jimmy. Get a winner and hard worker on the recruiting trail in here! Now!
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Post by olddave on Apr 17, 2018 17:36:28 GMT -5
Rumor had it Rhode Island was all set to pull the trigger until their President stepped in and pulled the plug ... of course both Pitino and RI deny it .... 😉 In spite of all the positives mentioned in other posts and as much fun as it would be for all, at the end of the day I just don’t see Brother Ed signing on. but the million dollar question is how much power or sway does Brother Ed have now? Patsos and the ugliness happened and flourished under Brother Ed's watch. "That's on him", to quote Jimmy (lol). Im not sure-but it seems to me the Franciscan powers that be may not be in love with this debacle that happened-that he ALLOWED to happen unabated-under his watch. Great question. Addendum to that question is origin of the Pastos buyout money and if it came with any conditions. Unfortunate if Br. Ed must fall on his sword for the school to,save face. Admit you screwed up, move on make changes. D’arg needs to go he hired JP. Speaking of D’arg he would be the last person who should meet with RP. Br. Ed or someone of that ilk.
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Post by Papi on Apr 18, 2018 5:59:23 GMT -5
Nice to have choices... Becker proven winner, coach and recruiter could he be our version of Bob McKillop? Moll, Timberlake and maybe Lamb make a move with him? Instant boost for a weak roster. Safest choice? Beilein following similar path as his Dad only at much quicker pace. How well would he recruit at this level? Good family. Lacks D1 experience. Still a solid choice. Caputo appears on many top 10 lead assistants lists due a headcoaching position, northeast guy. Some risk but a solid option. Pitino would win and pack the house. How likely is it the College makes a move in this direction given Pitino’s problems and after dumping Jimmy for issues unbecoming to the Franciscan tradition? GMac the guy I'm least interested in of the bunch, don’t think Syracuse has recruited very well over the past 4 years or so....JBs coaching tree is so so... the top 3 above are just better options. You do realize Rick Pitino is part of the JB coaching tree. Syracuse assistant 76-78. GMac could be the next RP.
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Post by glen on Apr 18, 2018 6:16:45 GMT -5
GMac has done nothing to be considered for this job. He has no head coaching experience and is a Jimmy B disciple so he's well versed in playing zone defense BUT we wouldn't be able to recruit the same type of long athletic players to make that a success.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 18, 2018 6:58:08 GMT -5
Nice to have choices... Becker proven winner, coach and recruiter could he be our version of Bob McKillop? Moll, Timberlake and maybe Lamb make a move with him? Instant boost for a weak roster. Safest choice? Beilein following similar path as his Dad only at much quicker pace. How well would he recruit at this level? Good family. Lacks D1 experience. Still a solid choice. Caputo appears on many top 10 lead assistants lists due a headcoaching position, northeast guy. Some risk but a solid option. Pitino would win and pack the house. How likely is it the College makes a move in this direction given Pitino’s problems and after dumping Jimmy for issues unbecoming to the Franciscan tradition? GMac the guy I'm least interested in of the bunch, don’t think Syracuse has recruited very well over the past 4 years or so....JBs coaching tree is so so... the top 3 above are just better options. You do realize Rick Pitino is part of the JB coaching tree. Syracuse assistant 76-78. GMac could be the next RP. I do. Look GMac’s not bad, he’s just a bit inexperienced. If other options fall off he could be viable. I just think the others listed above (Becker/Caputo) are better choices.
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Post by greenblood on Apr 18, 2018 7:14:54 GMT -5
Nice to have choices... Becker proven winner, coach and recruiter could he be our version of Bob McKillop? Moll, Timberlake and maybe Lamb make a move with him? Instant boost for a weak roster. Safest choice? Beilein following similar path as his Dad only at much quicker pace. How well would he recruit at this level? Good family. Lacks D1 experience. Still a solid choice. Caputo appears on many top 10 lead assistants lists due a headcoaching position, northeast guy. Some risk but a solid option. Pitino would win and pack the house. How likely is it the College makes a move in this direction given Pitino’s problems and after dumping Jimmy for issues unbecoming to the Franciscan tradition? GMac the guy I'm least interested in of the bunch, don’t think Syracuse has recruited very well over the past 4 years or so....JBs coaching tree is so so... the top 3 above are just better options. You do realize Rick Pitino is part of the JB coaching tree. Syracuse assistant 76-78. GMac could be the next RP. Gmac could be the next RP but he needs to have a PPC (past performance chart) that includes HC on it before we should roll the dice on that. This is way too critical a hire to think that we could get a 50K claimer that 'just needs to get in the starting gate' for a Graded Stakes Race (like those references? Hoping Roddy and Pitino are catching on).
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 18, 2018 8:46:47 GMT -5
My wish list in order is:
John Becker Chris Caputo Jon Scheyer Pat Beilein
If these are the final four candidates brought on campus for interviews I'd be happy with whoever comes out on top after careful evaluation. I think Becker is the best bet - but also the most unlikely to lure away from his current gig and the most expensive. He's a proven division 1 head coach and recruiter.
The next two are proven recruiters and well known as two of the assistants most head coaches think are ready to take the top spot. They come with the risk of being another Rob Lanier. The last guy has had wild success on the division 2 level, but with an Iona recruiting style that would never fly at Siena. It's risky to assume he can recruit good division 1 four year players. The latter three options have the advantage of coming at much lower cost than the first.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 8:56:01 GMT -5
I will always choose the younger candidate with head coaching experience (successful) at a lower level, like Beilein, who has to something to prove. His family pedigree does not hurt either.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 9:02:07 GMT -5
I can't imagine any big time basketball donors not wanting him. The academics are another story. I've never got then except for their massive egos. A successful basketball program makes provides a better pool off applications. A rising tide lifts all boats! They should want the program to excel. As Loyola-Chicago what their run did for their exposure. When Siena beat Vanderbilt and Ohio State the attention the school got was tremendous - you can't buy that advertisement. Or what you rather have 8 years of losing with a boring coach and a whackadoo coach putting the school in a bad light? Says the Russell Sage grad still living in his momma's basement. Says the Marist grad who posts on the Siena board .......who cares
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Post by heftylefty on Apr 19, 2018 11:08:53 GMT -5
Who would the majority take now that Pitino is off the table?
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 19, 2018 11:17:54 GMT -5
Who would the majority take now that Pitino is off the table? Not sure Becker is possible but Caputo is creeping up on my list. Watched a few pressers read a few articles this guy WILL be a HC. I think he’s pretty impressive, knowledge and well composed. Posted this in another thread ... youtu.be/bJDnl736BT4
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