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Post by greenblood on Apr 17, 2018 5:51:15 GMT -5
Let’s hope the interview process is moving along It’s not like I want Siena to rush but…. It’s not like a surprise JP is gone, so Darg/Siena should have been prepared for this. I have serious reservations about Darg being involved in any coaching search, given that 3 out of his last 4 hires have been horrible. Hate to see this process drag along for 3 to 6 weeks Agree. The assistants and DOBO also need to make plans....time to move on to the next regime.
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Post by SIENA1971 on Apr 17, 2018 6:15:34 GMT -5
Title should read “What would you do if you won the Powerball lottery”
Don’t expect to hear any noise until after women’s banquet.
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Post by MTS on Apr 17, 2018 10:08:31 GMT -5
If Beilin is the guy you could find out if his coaching abilities are up to par quickly.I'm very interested on how he'll make his system fit with this current roster.How does he decide who he wants to keep who he tells fit isn't right.That's a big decision for him how can you evaluate guys you haven't seen play.Going forward how he fits the pieces he's left with into his system. What kind of players he gets with the 2 or how many scholarships he would have,to me could very well tell you a lot about his recruiting.How they develop after he's hired.Those are things that could really impress me before the season starts.JMO It all makes sense now RickyP = Rick Pitino. Welcome aboard, coach!!
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Post by musicman on Apr 17, 2018 10:52:38 GMT -5
That is the ultimate dilemma. And, this Mother Theresa will add that IF the Administration has the cujones to do this (I don't think so) they damn well better have the BEST ATTORNEYS available to lock him in for a MINIMUM of 5 years with the payment to the school penalties HJ suggested. With a net worth between 50-75 Million, if he wants to 'clear his name' using the ARC and TUC as the 'confessional' a 1-3 million dollar penalty should be acceptable to him. It's the true Catholic way...if you wanna play, you need to pay. The Vatican wasn't build on a dollar and dream. All that said, I will add that with RP at the helm, the entire Athletic Department needs an overhaul with progressive thinkers who have much broader experience than the LIMITED VIEW FROM LOUDONVILLE. I'm not saying I can't get excited about this, I'm saying is scares me to death with how we have shown things being run the past 8 years. Besides the obvious moral dilemma, here is what is more than likely to happen with RP if hired … we get one maybe two years tops if lucky, regardless of contract and terms. He clears his name, builds good will and he is gone at the first legit power five offer. What happens then? Mass exodus of the talent he has brought in and we are back to square one with a gutted roster and no coach. What's the aftermath look like in his wake? This is fun to discuss for all the obvious reasons; revenue (and additional $$ from earlier contract termination), Siena’s profile/publicity, attendance etc… but really this isn’t sustainable beyond 1-2 years. Is it worth it? Would we be better off bringing in a Caputo Becker Beilein and hoping to get a 4-5 year commitment and start a rebuild that more than likely will last beyond a season or two? I realize any coach can leave but with Pitino the odds that this is a very short stay is high to say the least. Pro-Pitino folks don't shoot the messenger, this is just another view intended only for discussion...... Personally I can see it both ways... THIS is a really really good point !!!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 12:10:43 GMT -5
Besides the obvious moral dilemma, here is what is more than likely to happen with RP if hired … we get one maybe two years tops if lucky, regardless of contract and terms. He clears his name, builds good will and he is gone at the first legit power five offer. What happens then? Mass exodus of the talent he has brought in and we are back to square one with a gutted roster and no coach. What's the aftermath look like in his wake? This is fun to discuss for all the obvious reasons; revenue (and additional $$ from earlier contract termination), Siena’s profile/publicity, attendance etc… but really this isn’t sustainable beyond 1-2 years. Is it worth it? Would we be better off bringing in a Caputo Becker Beilein and hoping to get a 4-5 year commitment and start a rebuild that more than likely will last beyond a season or two? I realize any coach can leave but with Pitino the odds that this is a very short stay is high to say the least. Pro-Pitino folks don't shoot the messenger, this is just another view intended only for discussion...... Personally I can see it both ways... THIS is a really really good point !!! Hopefully he'd hang around long enough for the hanging of the Sweet 16 banner at the TUC...(the school could then have a garage sale to get rid of the 13 BMW's)
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Post by MTS on Apr 17, 2018 12:16:05 GMT -5
I don't think Pitino would leave in a couple of years with success (much more likely Beilein does that). He's 65 years old, has many many million of dollars and already won two national titles. He's got nothing to prove at the college level, pros are a different story.
If he ever took Siena to a final four (don't laugh, mid-majors without HOF coaches have done it) it just adds to his lore and redemption story.
That said I still can't see it...but who knows stranger things have happened.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 17, 2018 12:26:35 GMT -5
Besides the obvious moral dilemma, here is what is more than likely to happen with RP if hired … we get one maybe two years tops if lucky, regardless of contract and terms. He clears his name, builds good will and he is gone at the first legit power five offer. What happens then? Mass exodus of the talent he has brought in and we are back to square one with a gutted roster and no coach. What's the aftermath look like in his wake? This is fun to discuss for all the obvious reasons; revenue (and additional $$ from earlier contract termination), Siena’s profile/publicity, attendance etc… but really this isn’t sustainable beyond 1-2 years. Is it worth it? Would we be better off bringing in a Caputo Becker Beilein and hoping to get a 4-5 year commitment and start a rebuild that more than likely will last beyond a season or two? I realize any coach can leave but with Pitino the odds that this is a very short stay is high to say the least. Pro-Pitino folks don't shoot the messenger, this is just another view intended only for discussion...... Personally I can see it both ways... THIS is a really really good point !!! This is a definite possibility. Just like Beilein if he has success could be gone in 3 years. Orr left us in 1. At this point, I'd rather have a guy leave us after having SUCCESS, then firing a guy because of FAILURE. AS bad as I want this to happen, I'll say it again, any contract has to be Siena-safe! Exit fee after 2 years is $2 million, 3 years $1.5 and 4 year $1 million. He leaves, we get a nice chunk of change, a culture change and one of his proven assistants to take over the program. Probably the guy that was instrumental in recruiting these kids. The situation we're in now, we cant miss this hire. RP is a HR, and even if it was for 2 years, I GUARANTEE the program would be in great shape after he leaves.
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Post by SaintsFan on Apr 17, 2018 12:30:16 GMT -5
THIS is a really really good point !!! This is a definite possibility. Just like Beilein if he has success could be gone in 3 years. Orr left us in 1. At this point, I'd rather have a guy leave us after having SUCCESS, then firing a guy because of FAILURE. AS bad as I want this to happen, I'll say it again, any contract has to be Siena-safe! Exit fee after 2 years is $2 million, 3 years $1.5 and 4 year $1 million. He leaves, we get a nice chunk of change, a culture change and one of his proven assistants to take over the program. Probably the guy that was instrumental in recruiting these kids. The situation we're in now, we cant miss this hire. RP is a HR, and even if it was for 2 years, I GUARANTEE the program would be in great shape after he leaves. junkie and i are on the same page. Guaranteed success and Siena needs that guarantee. NO OTHER CANDIDATE COMES WITH IT.
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Post by tcbaseball on Apr 17, 2018 12:46:31 GMT -5
THIS is a really really good point !!! This is a definite possibility. Just like Beilein if he has success could be gone in 3 years. Orr left us in 1. At this point, I'd rather have a guy leave us after having SUCCESS, then firing a guy because of FAILURE. AS bad as I want this to happen, I'll say it again, any contract has to be Siena-safe! Exit fee after 2 years is $2 million, 3 years $1.5 and 4 year $1 million. He leaves, we get a nice chunk of change, a culture change and one of his proven assistants to take over the program. Probably the guy that was instrumental in recruiting these kids. The situation we're in now, we cant miss this hire. RP is a HR, and even if it was for 2 years, I GUARANTEE the program would be in great shape after he leaves. Totally agree.....
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Post by greenblood on Apr 17, 2018 13:02:18 GMT -5
THIS is a really really good point !!! This is a definite possibility. Just like Beilein if he has success could be gone in 3 years. Orr left us in 1. At this point, I'd rather have a guy leave us after having SUCCESS, then firing a guy because of FAILURE. AS bad as I want this to happen, I'll say it again, any contract has to be Siena-safe! Exit fee after 2 years is $2 million, 3 years $1.5 and 4 year $1 million. He leaves, we get a nice chunk of change, a culture change and one of his proven assistants to take over the program. Probably the guy that was instrumental in recruiting these kids. The situation we're in now, we cant miss this hire. RP is a HR, and even if it was for 2 years, I GUARANTEE the program would be in great shape after he leaves. I'm getting there....as long as Roddy isn't in the first chair (just kidding). I certainly agree that the contract has to be Siena safe and can also agree that the financial influx from all sides will help. I just think the longer this whole process goes on the worse it is for the kids who are here now but most likely won't be after any announcement. Who is minding the store? Any idea? Who is answering their questions about release requests, etc? I am sure these kids and their families are not all sitting around waiting for the other shoe to drop and the guillotine to come down.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Apr 17, 2018 13:22:03 GMT -5
I’ve been mostly quiet on Pitino rumors.
Anyone who is a proponent of it (I think I stand on that side of things at this point) is saying they are willing to deal with the devil to win basketball games and make money. There are a lot of dirty coaches out there, Rick is the dirtiest of them all. You name it, he’s done it. He’s a degenerate. Don’t try to justify any of it.
Would I hire him? I think so.
The dude can coach. He’d bring incredible excitement, attention, and pedigree to the team an the region. I think it would be a net positive. The team would recruit at an extremely high level, play a fun style, and play on TV a ton.
That said, it’s still exceedingly risky to do. There is “junk in the trunk” at Siena, minor violations that could be made to look a lot worse with increased NCAA scrutiny that we would undoubtably draw. Not to mention, there’s a really good chance that at some point in the next 2 years Rick Pitino will get a show-cause from the NCAA that will suspend him somewhere between a few games and a few seasons depending on what allegations can be proven. Not to mention the initial negative media attention Siena would receive.
Can it happen? I’m not sure.
I think D’Argenio would do it. One thing he’s shown he’s capable of doing is fundraising and getting stuff done that big money people want, and he could go out a hero with all of his mistakes ignored I he’s the guy that brings a winner like that to Loudonville. However, I’m also almost entirely sure Brother Ed wouldn’t go for. He’s not as basketball-centric as Father Kevin and I think he’d have major, major qualms with hiring a guy with RP’s reputation. IF HJ’s rumor of Father Kevin being with DArg is true, that is huge. He has sway on the board, and the only way this can get done is if the board can overrule Brother Ed.
If this becomes a realistic scenario, there will be pressure from everywhere. I’d guess Bob Belber uses any sway he has to push for Rick. I’d guess people on the academic and fundraising side push for anyone but Rick. Obviously athletics donations would go up big, but I have to imagine a lot of donors wouldn’t be pleased that this guy represents the college when they are donors who don’t like the amount of attention that basketball gets as it is.
Decisions, decisions. I don’t envy those in charge of this one— it’s an insanely tough one when you look at things beyond the scope of a Siena basketball super fan who wants to win an NCAA Tournament game or two. Praying we make the right one.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2018 13:30:53 GMT -5
Andrew Francis throwing his hat in the ring.
Little head man experience. Too risky.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 17, 2018 13:35:27 GMT -5
Rumor had it Rhode Island was all set to pull the trigger until their President stepped in and pulled the plug ... of course both Pitino and RI deny it .... 😉
In spite of all the positives mentioned in other posts and as much fun as it would be for all, at the end of the day I just don’t see Brother Ed signing on.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Apr 17, 2018 13:35:52 GMT -5
Andrew Francis throwing his hat in the ring. Little head man experience. Too risky. I throw him in the G-Mac group of “has the potential to do extremely well, but wouldn’t be my first choice”. I don’t mind a lack of head coaching experience (I’d be very happy with Caputo), I just don’t have the inside info as to the guys Francis has recruited. I’d assume he got them Luka Garza, a kid from the DMV who just had an awesome frosh campaign, but not sure. UPDATE: just read he runs point on most of Iowa’s recruiting efforts and they’ve brought in a bunch of talent. So ge certainly can recruit as we know from his Siena days as well. He has the pedigree, the northeast experience, the Siena connection... I think I could be sold on him.
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Post by legacy on Apr 17, 2018 14:10:41 GMT -5
Rumor had it Rhode Island was all set to pull the trigger until their President stepped in and pulled the plug ... of course both Pitino and RI deny it .... 😉 In spite of all the positives mentioned in other posts and as much fun as it would be for all, at the end of the day I just don’t see Brother Ed signing on. but the million dollar question is how much power or sway does Brother Ed have now? Patsos and the ugliness happened and flourished under Brother Ed's watch. "That's on him", to quote Jimmy (lol). Im not sure-but it seems to me the Franciscan powers that be may not be in love with this debacle that happened-that he ALLOWED to happen unabated-under his watch.
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