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Post by OneIndian on Dec 13, 2017 18:20:16 GMT -5
Don’t worry Rexy will look so-so in the MAAC and it won’t because of anything special he’s done to the offense. This is a rather pedestrian team made up of far too many low to boarderline D2 players.
Like I said before he’ll generally lose to the top, beat the bottom, steal one he shouldn’t and drop a couple he shouldn’t. All in all 9-10 MAAC wins and 13ish overall. One win in the tournament Typical so-so year. If he’s here next year .. wash rinse & repeat.
All the analysis some of you do is hysterical, I read all the same in-depth analysis and breakdowns over the summer and just like I said back then, it’s all fiction. Guys got an almost 15 yr track record of meh! Expecting anything to change is the definition of lunacy. I feel like I’m stuck in the movie Groundhogs Day.
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Post by bbfan on Dec 13, 2017 18:46:18 GMT -5
Okay, let’s say he goes 9-9 or 10-8 in MAAC play. He now brings back 5 starters, including 2 sophomores who will have challenged for all-rookie honors as freshmen. Then we add a couple of freshmen to work off the bench in Wojcik and perhaps Dom Welch. We’d be a real contender in the MAAC on paper. I don’t love JP’s style, but I’m willing to ride it out to keep a Core together for another crack at it with Nico as a senior. That’s my line. If he gets to .500 in MAAC play, he deserves to get another chance. .500 the year after losing 4 starters is more than satisfactory (and if not for last season’s struggles, might have gotten him an extension). Wow, interesting that you are saying that in 2018-19 he would be bringing back 5 starters (Nico is not starting), 2 sophomores who you seem to think are going to be all rookie material and a couple of freshmen in Wojcik and Welch....Hmmmm...no mention of Senior (Captain Nico). Do you know something that you are keeping from the rest of us? Also what if the in coming freshmen want or were promised 30 plus minutes a game, like this years freshmen, maybe JP will want a freshmen POY next year, just like he is trying for this year at the expense of the team and wins. Not enough minutes for everyone next year, so who sits out hmm maybe Nico. Also how are the starting 5 doing this year and why is that going to be so great next year? JP just isn't the coach to turn this around.
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Post by Tony on Dec 13, 2017 19:09:50 GMT -5
Didn’t you guys get the memo- he is not going to play Smithin or Degnan much ( he needs those scholarships) in addition to those 2 he is likely to run at least 1 more player off. He is going with the “we are young” card this year. He is out recruiting as hard as he done since he’s been at Siena trying to land a good class (something he should have done last year instead of taking mid-march to mid August off) anyway he will play the freshmen, hope to land a good class and win 16 to 18 games next year and parley that into another 5 year guaranteed contract. Not saying he will pull it off, just saying that’s his “play”
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 19:48:42 GMT -5
Don’t worry Rexy will look so-so in the MAAC and it won’t because of anything special he’s done to the offense. This is a rather pedestrian team made up of far too many low to boarderline D2 players. Like I said before he’ll generally lose to the top, beat the bottom, steal one he shouldn’t and drop a couple he shouldn’t. All in all 9-10 MAAC wins and 13ish overall. One win in the tournament Typical so-so year. If he’s here next year .. wash rinse & repeat. All the analysis some of you do is hysterical, I read all the same in-depth analysis and breakdowns over the summer and just like I said back then, it’s all fiction. Guys got an almost 15 yr track record of meh! Expecting anything to change is the definition of lunacy. I feel like I’m stuck in the movie Groundhogs Day. #businessasusualrexstyle You're just jealous that I have something more tangible and in-depth to say than 'these guys are un-athletic and suck.' The games Siena has played small, with the right lineup mix, and spread the floor... they've scored very well. It's not a coincidence. Bad coaching makes even good players look bad.
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Post by Tony on Dec 13, 2017 20:03:32 GMT -5
Don’t worry Rexy will look so-so in the MAAC and it won’t because of anything special he’s done to the offense. This is a rather pedestrian team made up of far too many low to boarderline D2 players. Like I said before he’ll generally lose to the top, beat the bottom, steal one he shouldn’t and drop a couple he shouldn’t. All in all 9-10 MAAC wins and 13ish overall. One win in the tournament Typical so-so year. If he’s here next year .. wash rinse & repeat. All the analysis some of you do is hysterical, I read all the same in-depth analysis and breakdowns over the summer and just like I said back then, it’s all fiction. Guys got an almost 15 yr track record of meh! Expecting anything to change is the definition of lunacy. I feel like I’m stuck in the movie Groundhogs Day. #businessasusualrexstyle You're just jealous that I have something more tangible and in-depth to say than 'these guys are un-athletic and suck.' The games Siena has played small, with the right lineup mix, and spread the floor... they've scored very well. It's not a coincidence. Bad coaching makes good players look bad. Newsflash-- Saints dont have a lot of D1 talent-- John Wooden couldn't win 18 games with this group. While athleticism isnt everything and you can hide a non athletic player or two - you can't have a team full of them. Don't really want to bust anyone's bubble but there is reason why Saints are getting smoked most games. This team cannot play man D ( too slow) and when they tried to press Vermont ( an AE team) Vermont mainly got layup or dunk other end. We dont force any turnovers and cough it up 16 or so times. Hey I'm up for trying anything, but you Cant make chicken soup out of chicken $hit
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Post by olddave on Dec 13, 2017 20:08:30 GMT -5
KK: I know you are going to hate this answer but I'm going to say it.....the reason he can't run this is because these kids are out of condition. This type of offense would require lots more running and ball control. Movement without the ball? They will all spit the bit after the first 25 minutes if they have to run around that much. Second big thing....ball control and third good passing. I'm afraid #1 would lead to deficiencies in #2 and #3. Finally, there is confidence...not cockiness...confidence. How much of that is left when you make one mistake and are dispatched to the end of the bench for god only knows how long. Finally, for those of you who didn't hear the pre game interview before Vermont, our illustrious HC has been studying the Syracuse Zone...I'm not even going to try to comment on that statement. My answer to 'conditioning' would be that by playing this way you also bring guys like Smithen back into the mix and also make them more effective. Guys could play less minutes but there would always be a common gameplan no matter who was on the court! By playing 2 bigs we're giving the postions that Siena has the least depth the most time on the floor. And also, they don't have to play "fast" to take advantage of 4 out 1 in ..in the half court. St. Peter's rode this exact strategy to 2nd place last year. Hell, they're using it THIS year with less overall guard talent and size than Siena has and they have more wins than we do right now. I would also argue greatly that playing this way would reduce turnovers because there would always be a wide open man on the wing when a help defender moves over to cover the driver. They'd always have an 'easy out'. KK your on a roll, keep it up. Conditioning, your 18-21, been playing since June, ok change some aspects but it would take no more than 2 weeks. Besides Siena has enough bodies to go 100% all the time and wear the other team out. Most teams are 7-8 deep, hell couldn't be any worst playing everybody at full out. Of course we have JP.
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Post by OneIndian on Dec 13, 2017 20:13:57 GMT -5
Don’t worry Rexy will look so-so in the MAAC and it won’t because of anything special he’s done to the offense. This is a rather pedestrian team made up of far too many low to boarderline D2 players. Like I said before he’ll generally lose to the top, beat the bottom, steal one he shouldn’t and drop a couple he shouldn’t. All in all 9-10 MAAC wins and 13ish overall. One win in the tournament Typical so-so year. If he’s here next year .. wash rinse & repeat. All the analysis some of you do is hysterical, I read all the same in-depth analysis and breakdowns over the summer and just like I said back then, it’s all fiction. Guys got an almost 15 yr track record of meh! Expecting anything to change is the definition of lunacy. I feel like I’m stuck in the movie Groundhogs Day. #businessasusualrexstyle You're just jealous that I have something more tangible and in-depth to say than 'these guys are un-athletic and suck.' The games Siena has played small, with the right lineup mix, and spread the floor... they've scored very well. It's not a coincidence. Bad coaching makes even good players look bad. Can’t take you seriously if you can’t spot the shortcomings and deficiencies with this roster. I mean seriously you got to be kidding me. This team has way more issues than needing to run a 4 out 1 in set.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 20:21:29 GMT -5
You're just jealous that I have something more tangible and in-depth to say than 'these guys are un-athletic and suck.' The games Siena has played small, with the right lineup mix, and spread the floor... they've scored very well. It's not a coincidence. Bad coaching makes good players look bad. Newsflash-- Saints dont have a lot of D1 talent-- John Wooden couldn't win 18 games with this group. While athleticism isnt everything and you can hide a non athletic player or two - you can't have a team full of them. Don't really want to bust anyone's bubble but there is reason why Saints are getting smoked most games. This team cannot play man D ( too slow) and when they tried to press Vermont ( an AE team) Vermont mainly got layup or dunk other end. We dont force any turnovers and cough it up 16 or so times. Hey I'm up for trying anything, but you Cant make chicken soup out of chicken $hit It's also tougher to press effectively and force turnovers with 2 bigs on the court. And if you can't make baskets...you can't even set up the press. They are so hopeless on offense that it's wearing them down in other facets of the game. Every team has weakness. For example, Albany averages just 1 blocked shot a game and they too don't force turnovers. You make do with what you have. Siena has more than its making do with.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 20:23:19 GMT -5
You're just jealous that I have something more tangible and in-depth to say than 'these guys are un-athletic and suck.' The games Siena has played small, with the right lineup mix, and spread the floor... they've scored very well. It's not a coincidence. Bad coaching makes even good players look bad. Can’t take you seriously if you can’t spot the shortcomings and deficiencies with this roster. I mean seriously you got to be kidding me. I see shortcomings and deficiencies. I also see a team that's not playing to its strengths...and that has been evident to me since game 1 right about the time the starting lineup was announced.
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Post by gorvy on Dec 13, 2017 21:30:16 GMT -5
Id pay double to see what John wooden could do with this group.
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Post by Tony on Dec 14, 2017 5:27:36 GMT -5
Listen I’m, all for playing your 5 best. And I don’t think EF is one of them, but that’s just my opinion. Despite what some of you guys think he isn’t stinky Jimmy. As we get into MAAC play the W’s will come. I’ve seen nothing that changes my mind that this team is a 12 win team, give or take a win or two either way.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 10:00:54 GMT -5
Listen I’m, all for playing your 5 best. And I don’t think EF is one of them, but that’s just my opinion. Despite what some of you guys think he isn’t stinky Jimmy. As we get into MAAC play the W’s will come. I’ve seen nothing that changes my mind that this team is a 12 win team, give or take a win or two either way. Except for maybe Iona who is maybe starting to click for the year, this Siena team can beat any of these MAAC teams from one night to the next. Monmouth and Rider are both on 4 game losing streaks. Rider lost to both RMU and Hofstra who we beat. MU lost to Hofstra at home as well. In MAAC play they are not in bad shape. BUT...they need to develop a real identity and understanding of how to win. Right now, they don't seem to have that. If Jimmy just learned how to use this team, they could easily still be a top 5 MAAC team.
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Post by rickyp on Dec 14, 2017 10:36:43 GMT -5
Could it be that he has a master plan for the MAAC not letting them see to much.Then switching up the offense for MAAC play😜.I think i saw in another post about JP studying the Syracuse zone.Like i said before only thing Siena has in common with Syracuse is New York S E A.I think his time would be better spent on OFFENSE.OFFENSE OFFENSE ONE MORE TIME OFFENSE
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 10:46:54 GMT -5
Could it be that he has a master plan for the MAAC not letting them see to much.Then switching up the offense for MAAC play😜.I think i saw in another post about JP studying the Syracuse zone.Like i said before only thing Siena has in common with Syracuse is New York S E A.I think his time would be better spent on OFFENSE.OFFENSE OFFENSE ONE MORE TIME OFFENSE I'm up for a good zone most of the time especially with the personnel Siena's had since Alex Franklin in particular graduated. So I don't mind them playing a fair about of it. Jimmy should be studying how Villanova played 4 out 1 in. This team should be a mix of Jimmy and Cluess. And maybe that mix equates to like a Jay Wright. By this, I mean, both get to the FT line AND spread the floor to get open threes. This team can shoot the three. They would draw attention out there and either the middle will be wide open for dribble driving or somebody is going to be open for the three. Jimmy just needs to push this team in that direction. They obviously aren't. In the Lehigh game and portions of the Hofstra game where the starting lineup was on the floor...where only 1 big stayed in...the offense looked wayyyyy better. It is no coincidence, AT ALL, that Penn got 11 assists playing with that lineup. The team had more assists than turnovers in those games. It is SOOOO blatantly obvious to me.
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Post by Quackman on Dec 14, 2017 11:18:28 GMT -5
I am not saying it isn't the way to go but from what I've seen, when they go small, they don't rebound the ball particularly well. So, when they do force tough shots, they aren't able to routinely close out possessions.
Might be worth it if the offense works better but it is something to consider.
Saints are about 1 to 2 games worse than I would have predicted at this point. Oturo is exactly what I expected, a talented but inexperienced big. He'll be up and down all year, that's what happens with MAAC freshman bigs (except Michael Haddix, who was solid for the entire season). If the Saints are playing the long game (and not just saying it), then the ups and downs they face now will pay dividends in February/March and for the rest of his career.
Penn is better than I expected: he is active and steady. Has more offense than I would expect and his shot looks pretty solid plus he doesn't turn the ball over and certainly rebounds his position.
Those are the two I build the team around. Shivers is fine as a complementary player but has been inconsistent all season. Nico is an offensive talent but has to play within himself, something he has always struggled to do.
Question is, who should be the 5th guy on the court with them. If offense is the priority, it should probably be Richard as he shoots the ball well and can create his own shot. If defense is the key, then I am not sure which way to go. Camper and Huerter kind of make sense but both look lost on the court. (If he isn't going to play him regularly, blowing Camper's red shirt year was a real mistake) I'd like to see Smithen in the rotation as I believe him to be the best option to back up Penn plus brings good size to the pg spot.
I'd shorten the roation to:
Penn Prince Shivers Nico Richard Fisher or Friday (back up Prince) Camper or Huerter (for when they go "big") Smithen (back up to Penn)
Just my 2 cents.
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