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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 9:02:57 GMT -5
I am amazed that everyone on this board was "hip hip hooray" about Nico's chest thumping and emotions when he scored 27 against Monmouth but have to be critical when he isn't a hero. Maturity is a gradual process that each of us reaches at a different pace...Nico needs a responsible guiding hand and SUPPORT from the fans...lets show him we care I agree, we all were excited during the Monmouth game - there is one big difference between that game and the one in Vermont - we were behind and it was as early as it gets in a game, Nico played his heart out and got us within 4 or so when he got the T - that T wasn't a game changer in any way shape or form - my point is he needed to stay in control of his emotions - he quickly followed that T with his 3rd foul - total lack of control. Most coaches would have pulled him out and calmed him down - not so with JP and the 3rd foul happened gluing our best player to the bench. Plus, taunting or just excessive in your face cheering at that point in a road game where we were still behind would only serve, IMO, to fire up our opponent - if it happened in the closing minutes of the game firing up Siena fans and quieting Vermont fans, no problem, I get it! Running around pounding your chest when you make a hoop or three yet your team is still behind is a bit over the top - guess I'm old school.
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Post by greenblood on Dec 13, 2017 9:05:30 GMT -5
I am amazed that everyone on this board was "hip hip hooray" about Nico's chest thumping and emotions when he scored 27 against Monmouth but have to be critical when he isn't a hero. Maturity is a gradual process that each of us reaches at a different pace...Nico needs a responsible guiding hand and SUPPORT from the fans...lets show him we care For the record, I am NEVER a proponent of chest thumping or jawing with the other team. EVER. Hundreds of my posts would prove that crap does not fly with me. I do not believe that any ref would 't' up a player for saying 'and one'. Nico was reportedly jawing with the refs during the UA game as well as the UA bench. For god sakes...shut your mouth...period. There is NOTHING..I repeat NOTHING that changes when you hit one or two shots and start mouthing off. Especially when in your 'getting the feel for the game time' on the bench you should note your team is in trouble from the get go. Karma is the consummate bitch. The entire team needs responsible guidance and support from the fans. In turn, fans should expect them to act responsibly while winning and losing. This is how you develop men and women, not entitled snowflakes. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by rickyp on Dec 13, 2017 9:15:41 GMT -5
I don't mind the players showing emotion on the court whatever fires them up talking to players that happens.Don't agree with it but it does the bench uncalled for the line Nico walks is that refs talk amongst each other so known he has a target on him.It's not the coaches responsibility it falls on the player known.Good referees usually warn the captain's to tell the other players before the tip we won't tolerate talking.Therefore after that it's on the players show emotion thump your chest whatever shut your mouth and play hard.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 9:34:38 GMT -5
I don't mind the players showing emotion on the court whatever fires them up talking to players that happens.Don't agree with it but it does the bench uncalled for the line Nico walks is that refs talk amongst each other so known he has a target on him.It's not the coaches responsibility it falls on the player known.Good referees usually warn the captain's to tell the other players before the tip we won't tolerate talking.Therefore after that it's on the players show emotion thump your chest whatever shut your mouth and play hard. A. Nico is the captain and, if he has the target on his back already, would have been counseled by the refs before the game (and hopefully reinforced by the bench staff prior to end of his "get in the game evaluation" B. This was not a "one of" situation - there is a history over many games C. It is the coach's job to control his players during a game as the conduct of players can and does affect the TEAM D. It is the coach's job to counsel players as to how their conduct needs to be changed E. Not trying to be snarky or nit picking but could you throw in some punctuation and maybe give your posts a quick read before posting them - not always easy to follow what you are saying - Thanks!
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Post by sky on Dec 13, 2017 11:05:05 GMT -5
Just to clarify my previous post...i was trying to say, and I might screw this up too, tbe hot and cold on Nico and several other player can be confusing...a good game and they are the best thing since sliced bread...screw up and they are a D2 player...no consistancy...i am all for blasting anyone that is a paid member of the program but I feel the kids deserve to be critiqued not chewed up and spit out.
Also my post was not directed at any specific poster...looking back I can see how that may have been construed...sorry if I gave that impression...
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Post by gorvy on Dec 13, 2017 11:38:57 GMT -5
I too try to give players as much latitude as possible —- as long as they aren’t breaking laws it’s up to the coach to pick and mold them into the best possible fit for the team. Nicos an exciting player. The only one who could drive and elevate over the bigs going toward the hoop.
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Post by greenblood on Dec 13, 2017 12:23:57 GMT -5
I do try to give players latitude but as you know I am a mother.... I think we all share the frustration that his potential will never be maximized by this staff.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 12:35:39 GMT -5
All coaches tend to give players freedoms that mesh with the style/plan/direction of the team. Most coaches work to mold the player into the scheme and develop the scheme to fit the players - it's a double edged sword.
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Post by CellarRat on Dec 13, 2017 13:34:10 GMT -5
All coaches tend to give players freedoms that mesh with the style/plan/direction of the team. Most coaches work to mold the player into the scheme and develop the scheme to fit the players - it's a double edged sword. Remember Fran’s teams? Getting off the bus for away games in suits. Talk about class.
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Post by bbfan on Dec 13, 2017 13:48:37 GMT -5
Can You, I or anyone else for that matter really put up with Pastos's antics, coaching style or BS for anther year? There was a time that I never would miss a Siena game however I've approached the point where I don't care one way or the other anymore. Remember the reason we have such a "young" team is because of the lousy job Pastos has done on the recruiting trail and the players he's had to run off as a result. Okay, let’s say he goes 9-9 or 10-8 in MAAC play. He now brings back 5 starters, including 2 sophomores who will have challenged for all-rookie honors as freshmen. Then we add a couple of freshmen to work off the bench in Wojcik and perhaps Dom Welch. We’d be a real contender in the MAAC on paper. I don’t love JP’s style, but I’m willing to ride it out to keep a Core together for another crack at it with Nico as a senior. That’s my line. If he gets to .500 in MAAC play, he deserves to get another chance. .500 the year after losing 4 starters is more than satisfactory (and if not for last season’s struggles, might have gotten him an extension). The only reason if even possible, which I doubt, about the 2 sophomores that will challenge for all-rookie honors. If you never leave the floor you better be an "all-rookie freshman" but ours are not hence 2-8. You think it will change once MAAC play starts I don't. Penn deserves to be mentioned I think he is the real deal, but Oduro has stone hands and needs to get in shape, he's far from a all-rookie freshman the way he plays and is being used. If we get 6 wins in MAAC play, I'll be surprised. Unless someone starts to coach this team properly 10-8 is laughable.
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Post by rickyp on Dec 13, 2017 13:54:55 GMT -5
North Carolina players who are not dressing out for game be it injury or whatever else usually wear a suit or blazer and tie.Been that way since coach Smith.Most teams have warm-up suits known some still dress up.I like both depends on trip.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 13:59:14 GMT -5
This team has no legit gameplan on offense that doesn't involve a 1 on 1 play that's really 1 on 3. The ball movement and off the ball movement is horrible.
This team was never going to be that good on defense but it should have been decent on offense.
Everything in this offense feels forced. They don't find the gaps in the defense and take advantage.
When you have so many guys playing 5+ mins and getting 0 points...you can't always point just to talent level. Much of that is on the offensive scheme. Throw Heurter out there..0 pts, Camper..0pts...Bentley..0 pts...Friday...0 pts..Horn..0 pts..Degnan..0pts....
And Evan Fisher plays 25 mins and only gets 3 pts.
I mean, even a blind and drunk 1 legged monkey would get a basket once in a while.
This is the offensive sytem. And it sucks. That's on the coach.
I don't know how things will change.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 14:18:15 GMT -5
And this is not totally new. We saw this at times during the 1st 4 years. If it wasn't for the talent level of those big 4 seniors making plays on their own at times, things would have been more evident sooner.
For years, it was get the ball to the high post (especially Bisping/Long) and good things will happen. And there were so many years they started the year completely forgetting how their offense ran so effectively at the end of the prior year. Over and over. I know myself and ArcRat on the MAAC board were always TYPING REALLY LOUDLY this fact during games.
This team shouldn't have so many moments where they are basically deer in headlights on offense.
And even without good plays it should be simple:
4 out 1 in ...and attack the paint any time you have a 1 on 1.
Instead, there's often 2 guys in the paint and guys who can take the ball to the hole (Bentley) are differing even when, by chance, there's only 1 guy to beat.
That tells me that the offensive focus in practices is other than it should be. They are not taught to spread the floor and create lanes...and to attack those gaps.
Instead, based on interview comments, they actually have a play where Penn passes to Clareth for a 25 ft semi contested jumper in transition. That's your first option? Seriously? And you actually have to call that play?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 14:30:34 GMT -5
Teams are double teaming our bigs like it's their job...and why wouldn't they? Play like this and somebody will ALWAYS be wide open for a three in an Oduro/Friday double team. 3 Playing 2 bigs at a time is almost everything that's wrong with Siena's offense. Here's looking at Evan Fisher who Jimmy refuses to sit. He should be rotated as a center. Playing Evan Fisher at the PF will get Jimmy Patsos fired. If you can't score or adequately defend while playing 2 bigs....then take your second big out so you can at least score. And, most of all, encourage guard aggressive takes in a 4 out 1 in lineup!...not contested jumpers! The primary reason Bentley scored 11 pts the one game was because the lineup was Penn, Bentley, Clareth, and Shivers all at the same time. There was room to roam!!!!! Doesn't everyone remember his big dunk! It was in a 4 out 1 in scenario where the guy overplayed him to shoot and he had a wide open lane to the basket! Why the F*$% would you then add Fisher back at the 4 and still start Bentley? Stupid. Stupid. Stupid.
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Post by rickyp on Dec 13, 2017 14:37:28 GMT -5
Like I'll say again i can blame the players for effort but i can't blame them from being in a offensive system,that's best built for last year's team and players.I think it's time to let Camper and Huerter play the 4 these next 3 games no more big lineups.Find out which one is best to fill the spot and the other to sub.We've had 10games of what doesn't work 2bigs move on.I'm trying to stay optimistic but i can't keep throwing things at my tv watching this offense.And if they don't change this offense I'm going over someone else's house to watch the games i don't attend I'm not breaking my tv
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