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Post by hoopjunkie on Sept 12, 2016 16:49:27 GMT -5
Staff did, and it's why they stopped recruiting him in August. Got it, so you didn't see him. Enough said. We will see how all these recruits turn out in 4 years especially at low/mid major level. I do agree I think the staff will find talent in 2017. I saw him a lot on tape his JR year, and wasn't very impressed to be honest. I've had that stance since Day 1. Looks like a nice kid, but didn't have the game I think we need. Who knows, maybe they go back at him now?
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Post by slim on Sept 12, 2016 16:54:50 GMT -5
Got it, so you didn't see him. Enough said. We will see how all these recruits turn out in 4 years especially at low/mid major level. I do agree I think the staff will find talent in 2017. I saw him a lot on tape his JR year, and wasn't very impressed to be honest. I've had that stance since Day 1. Looks like a nice kid, but didn't have the game I think we need. Who knows, maybe they go back at him now? Fair enough. Doubt they go after him.
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Post by nolesaint on Sept 12, 2016 20:19:51 GMT -5
Staff did, and it's why they stopped recruiting him in August. Got it, so you didn't see him. Enough said. We will see how all these recruits turn out in 4 years especially at low/mid major level. I do agree I think the staff will find talent in 2017. Unfortunately, it seems that with JP finding talent and signing talent rarely come together. Bottom line is this: Siena has 4 senior starters. If there is ever a time to get higher level kids it is a year like this year for Siena. Not saying they would but the opportunity is clearly there for talented players. Prince, Patella and 2 others could look at this and say I'll be a 4 year starter, get to the dance at lease twice and be a BIG fish in a small pond. But what do I know...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 20:23:04 GMT -5
It's obvious he didn't want to play for Jimmy......... And you know this how? From the fact he chose another school? Other than that great post on the factors maybe making UTC attractive to a Ball'more kid My position was formed based on: the great advantages Siena has in the fan base, the TUC, the campus, the new practice facility, available minutes up for the taking, and that Jimmy is supposed to be the closer - didn't close this one so, IMHO, the kid didn't want to play for him. Could be wrong on that but it's my view and, until Trump gets elected, I'm entitled to express my views.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 20:29:30 GMT -5
And you know this how? From the fact he chose another school? Other than that great post on the factors maybe making UTC attractive to a Ball'more kid He knows nothing about anything regarding the program, thus the extreme bitterness. Absolutely true, I know very little about the Program today - my opinions are my own and I will continue to express them - they obviously carry a lot of weight given the immediate negative response any and all of them generate. I do know a lot about him and that knowledge, unfortunately, defines some of the boundary conditions my "bitterness" (your word) must spring from. He's had a good record at Siena - a .500 record that only money could buy. Good teams don't have to pay to play in the post season...old school I know, but it's still a fact.....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 13, 2016 8:09:14 GMT -5
Another thread of BS! #NeverEndingDrama ZZZzzZZZ zz!
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Post by slim on Sept 13, 2016 9:19:34 GMT -5
Got it, so you didn't see him. Enough said. We will see how all these recruits turn out in 4 years especially at low/mid major level. I do agree I think the staff will find talent in 2017. Unfortunately, it seems that with JP finding talent and signing talent rarely come together. Bottom line is this: Siena has 4 senior starters. If there is ever a time to get higher level kids it is a year like this year for Siena. Not saying they would but the opportunity is clearly there for talented players. Prince, Patella and 2 others could look at this and say I'll be a 4 year starter, get to the dance at lease twice and be a BIG fish in a small pond. But what do I know... Would you agree to get higher talent you have to had won recently? NCAA success is what HS kids can remember. UTC for example won 29 games last year made it to NCAA , or Iona(Juco kids n transfers) releate to there success. Take Monmouth in one year the national pub they got. Most young kids identify with this type stuff more then anything else. It's part of the recruiting business. GW look at all the off the court issues with the Head Coach, but players will still flock because of there recent success of NCAA appearances and winning the NIT. Yale being IVY I think is getting better talent and winning NCAA game. Kid are visual and with today's social media era they identify with who they see winning. Siena was too win the MAAC I think they would get lot of kids interest like they did in the past. I think the Coaching Staff are hustling to get kids , but that's just my opinion.
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Post by nolesaint on Sept 13, 2016 11:03:04 GMT -5
Unfortunately, it seems that with JP finding talent and signing talent rarely come together. Bottom line is this: Siena has 4 senior starters. If there is ever a time to get higher level kids it is a year like this year for Siena. Not saying they would but the opportunity is clearly there for talented players. Prince, Patella and 2 others could look at this and say I'll be a 4 year starter, get to the dance at lease twice and be a BIG fish in a small pond. But what do I know... Would you agree to get higher talent you have to had won recently? NCAA success is what HS kids can remember. UTC for example won 29 games last year made it to NCAA , or Iona(Juco kids n transfers) releate to there success. Take Monmouth in one year the national pub they got. Most young kids identify with this type stuff more then anything else. It's part of the recruiting business. GW look at all the off the court issues with the Head Coach, but players will still flock because of there recent success of NCAA appearances and winning the NIT. Yale being IVY I think is getting better talent and winning NCAA game. Kid are visual and with today's social media era they identify with who they see winning. Siena was too win the MAAC I think they would get lot of kids interest like they did in the past. I think the Coaching Staff are hustling to get kids , but that's just my opinion. I'll grant that it helps but completely disagree that "you have to had won recently" Glad to hear the coaches are "hustling"
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Post by sky on Sept 13, 2016 12:37:15 GMT -5
I'll start off by saying these are just my opinions...before I get hung for saying them...when it comes to recruiting I think there are things most of us can agree on...the TUC...fan support...small and more close knit school...new practice facilities...winning record. But there are things that potential recruits also look at...is the curriculum offered that the player wants...is the scedule attractive...is the coaching staff stable ...is the coaching staff likeable...in close families the moral reputation of the school and coaching staff can come in to play...this is not all inclusive but my point is there are some things we can do something about and that should be our goal to make Siena more attractive to potential recruits. Also saying that all we need is better players and all will be well is a little short sighted...look at Lanier...he had great players but what good did it do...Patsos is an intelligent man but he needs to use that intelligence and grow his basketball IQ...I think most of us want more than a .500 team and what worked at Loyola will leave a lot of Siena fans unhappy. Enough rambling on a Tuesday afternoon but things are slow on the board...
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Sept 13, 2016 15:34:36 GMT -5
I agree that overall recruiting has been inconsistent at best - All-MAAC caliber players mixed in with non-factor/D2 level players - and no one on this board needs to be told which is which.
I have a feeling that THIS season will ultimately dictate the storyline of Jimmy Patsos' tenure at Siena, and thus his recruiting.
Year 4 - if he earns an NCAA Birth/has a 20+ win, MAAC Regular Season/NIT appearance type year, the rhetoric will become "He built a program with his brand of dudes, and took a misdirected program back to esteem. Yes his second year was weak, but based on the number of injuries that year, it was clearly an anomaly."
Year 4 - If he fails to finish Top 3 of the MAAC, sub-20 win season, can't win the MAAC tourney in three tries on their home court, the rhetoric will become "He can't build this program to its former glory with his style and the caliber of players he's bringing in, and the player churn is concerning."
This team is the Patsio-est team we've ever had - these are his dudes (and yes, he made Bisping and JO HIS dudes IMHO, by both coaching them up and re-recruiting and re-re-recruiting, respectively).
It's difficult to grade a recruit based on their underclassmen performance for a number of reasons - maturation and playing time chief among them - just as easy as it is to anoint a player as the second coming of Marc Brown, another can be written off as easily as a Music Theory class in the basement of Foy Hall.
Year 4, we get to see the "finished product" recruits (Wright, Long), the re-claimed recruits (JO, Bisping), the understudy recruits (Nico, Evan), the red shirt trial (Willem), the transfer grab (Smithen) and the legacy recruit (Huerter). We get to see the diamond-in-the-rough recruits (hopefully) (Friday, Richards), the late recruits (Shivers). And for now, we judge the staff on the swing-and-miss recruits (McGuirl, Nolan) because that's all we can do right now. I'm not discouraged, because at least they're swinging.
For me, Patsos gets Year 4 before I bestow praise or condemnation.
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Post by MTS on Sept 13, 2016 16:06:13 GMT -5
I agree that overall recruiting has been inconsistent at best - All-MAAC caliber players mixed in with non-factor/D2 level players - and no one on this board needs to be told which is which. I have a feeling that THIS season will ultimately dictate the storyline of Jimmy Patsos' tenure at Siena, and thus his recruiting. Year 4 - if he earns an NCAA Birth/has a 20+ win, MAAC Regular Season/NIT appearance type year, the rhetoric will become "He built a program with his brand of dudes, and took a misdirected program back to esteem. Yes his second year was weak, but based on the number of injuries that year, it was clearly an anomaly." Year 4 - If he fails to finish Top 3 of the MAAC, sub-20 win season, can't win the MAAC tourney in three tries on their home court, the rhetoric will become "He can't build this program to its former glory with his style and the caliber of players he's bringing in, and the player churn is concerning." This team is the Patsio-est team we've ever had - these are his dudes (and yes, he made Bisping and JO HIS dudes IMHO, by both coaching them up and re-recruiting and re-re-recruiting, respectively). It's difficult to grade a recruit based on their underclassmen performance for a number of reasons - maturation and playing time chief among them - just as easy as it is to anoint a player as the second coming of Marc Brown, another can be written off as easily as a Music Theory class in the basement of Foy Hall. Year 4, we get to see the "finished product" recruits (Wright, Long), the re-claimed recruits (JO, Bisping), the understudy recruits (Nico, Evan), the red shirt trial (Willem), the transfer grab (Smithen) and the legacy recruit (Huerter). We get to see the diamond-in-the-rough recruits (hopefully) (Friday, Richards), the late recruits (Shivers). And for now, we judge the staff on the swing-and-miss recruits (McGuirl, Nolan) because that's all we can do right now. I'm not discouraged, because at least they're swinging. For me, Patsos gets Year 4 before I bestow praise or condemnation. Barring major injuries we will have a big season. The question is do we win in March? We could win 25 games but one bad 40 minutes in March and the season won't be a success for many. That's tough but reality as a mid-major. Of course the season is more than just three games but this team is built to win the MAAC tournament and go to the NCAA tournament. If we won the regular season title and failed to win the tournament it would take the sting out a little but not too much. Last year was a pretty good year but we faltered down the stretch and could not get by Iona so it was a bittersweet season ultimately. As for recruiting there is no reason why Jimmy shouldn't be able to sign a high quality class. We need two impact players and another one which could be a sleeper with potential. With the other 'ship I'd look for a transfer eligible after the first semester in 2017-18. We need to build around Nico during his junior and senior seasons.
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Post by Tony on Sept 13, 2016 16:30:40 GMT -5
Jimmy’s recruiting has been up and down-some real nice signings, but way too many kids that never should have been here in first place. He is a career 500 coach, who has never won the MAAC regular season title. Only year he won the MAAC the 1st place team ( Iona) and 3rd place team Manhattan were bounced out of MAAC tournament
Having said that he seldom stinks and almost always puts out a competitive team. He needs to “up” his game here at Siena. If you go by his past track record ( good indicator of future results) Saints will win 20 plus games finish 2nd or 3rd. Out of 4 ships available for next year Jimmy will sign 1 or 2 good players and 2 or 3 role players. Again going by past results losing many players off a senior dominated team I would expect unless Jimmy signs some good talent- we will drop back off to about 500 next year
Again I don’t want to sound too negative- decent chance he wins the MAAC this year or maybe he surprises and signs 2 or 3 really good mid major type players. In which case we are off to races. But Jimmy really has some “proving” to do to Siena fans over next two years
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Post by sky on Sept 13, 2016 17:19:11 GMT -5
A formula for success long term is to sign one...I repeat (1) impact player a year...we have Nico...we need an impact big for next year...we have servicable guards for next year and possibly a few more years so next we need an impact wing and then conncentrate on an impact pf...just 1 a year ...after that the good players will want to come...
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 13, 2016 17:49:50 GMT -5
I find it interesting that people are expecting a class full of impact players. That has happened how many times in Siena history...once? If you get 1 or 2 impact players per class, you've done well. Want to get more than that - you have to go the Iona route and mostly take 1 or 2 year rentals. And that's not really the Siena way.
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Post by bigsaintg on Sept 13, 2016 17:57:56 GMT -5
Where did anyone say they expected a class full of impact players? I think most board members were thinking two and a solid role player
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