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Post by OneIndian on Jun 18, 2016 9:27:50 GMT -5
Unless there is another major realignment no one is leaving the A10 for the MAAC. A team like Hofstra makes the best sense and it would bring the MAAC to 12 teams.
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Post by hockeyguy on Jun 18, 2016 10:35:33 GMT -5
Unless there is another major realignment no one is leaving the A10 for the MAAC. A team like Hofstra makes the best sense and it would bring the MAAC to 12 teams. So what's in it for Hofstra? Remember to look at this as not just a men's basketball thing, they give up whatever rivalries in all sports, men and women, for what, a chance to play basketball at St Peters and their 461 ave. fans?
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Post by Tony on Jun 18, 2016 11:01:22 GMT -5
What’s in it for Hofstra..lets talk about travel expenses first. CAA is mainly a “southern” conference . Remember it’s much more than men’s basketball, much cheaper to send women’s swim team, tennis volleyball etc - to Iona, Manhattan, Fairfield, Quinny, Marist Siena, SPC, Rider than to Virginia, North and South Carolina
Having said that pretty sure Hofstra wanted in the MAAC several years ago and MAAC wouldn’t take them, now granted Hofstra had football at that time
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Post by OneIndian on Jun 18, 2016 11:16:49 GMT -5
Unless there is another major realignment no one is leaving the A10 for the MAAC. A team like Hofstra makes the best sense and it would bring the MAAC to 12 teams. So what's in it for Hofstra? Remember to look at this as not just a men's basketball thing, they give up whatever rivalries in all sports, men and women, for what, a chance to play basketball at St Peters and their 461 ave. fans? See above Tony pretty much summed it up
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Post by $cott on Jun 18, 2016 11:59:37 GMT -5
Unless there is another major realignment no one is leaving the A10 for the MAAC. A team like Hofstra makes the best sense and it would bring the MAAC to 12 teams. So what's in it for Hofstra? Remember to look at this as not just a men's basketball thing, they give up whatever rivalries in all sports, men and women, for what, a chance to play basketball at St Peters and their 461 ave. fans? In addition to what Tony said the CAA is also a football conference and Hofstra does not have a football program. Why would you want to be in a conference where every decision that is made is made in the best interest of the football teams? Plus it is always possible they could add the America East football schools as full members and kick out the non football schools.
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Post by hockeyguy on Jun 18, 2016 12:04:13 GMT -5
What’s in it for Hofstra..lets talk about travel expenses first. CAA is mainly a “southern” conference . Remember it’s much more than men’s basketball, much cheaper to send women’s swim team, tennis volleyball etc - to Iona, Manhattan, Fairfield, Quinny, Marist Siena, SPC, Rider than to Virginia, North and South Carolina Having said that pretty sure Hofstra wanted in the MAAC several years ago and MAAC wouldn’t take them, now granted Hofstra had football at that time But they give up a very strong league in lacrosse (up and coming in college sports) and baseball for an inferior MAAC in both sports and an about par basketball league (defections a few years ago really diminished CAA in b'ball). They have a decent endowment (about 3x Siena) so they have pretty good financial resources and Canisius and Niagara aren't any cheaper trips for all sports than most of the southern trips (if they double up games like the western swing). Given that the CAA already is a 10 school conference I wonder what the "exit tax" is these days after getting burnt like they did when ODU, GM , et. al. departed for greener pastures, could be a consideration.
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Post by hockeyguy on Jun 18, 2016 12:10:23 GMT -5
So what's in it for Hofstra? Remember to look at this as not just a men's basketball thing, they give up whatever rivalries in all sports, men and women, for what, a chance to play basketball at St Peters and their 461 ave. fans? In addition to what Tony said the CAA is also a football conference and Hofstra does not have a football program. Why would you want to be in a conference where every decision that is made is made in the best interest of the football teams? Plus it is always possible they could add the America East football schools as full members and kick out the non football schools. Of the 12 "football schools" 7 are "associate members" for football only (including the guys on the other side of town) 5 full members play football, 5 do not, so I wouldn't exactly call it a football conference. What do you think total attendance for 4 home conference football games MIGHT reach? 15 - 20K for most teams? and is likely a money losing proposition for all of them.
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Post by hockeyguy on Jun 18, 2016 13:28:52 GMT -5
Hooligan, perhaps LaSalle should consider it (Fordham would be a Rider replacement at best in my opinion). In the past 15 years (as far as their website goes back 2001-2002) LaSalle's basketball team has achieved the following: Zero, none, nada A-10 championships, 5 winning seasons (2 20+ win seasons) 10 losing seasons (3 20+ loss seasons), 1 NIT first round appearance, 1 NCAA (sweet 16) appearance, overall win percentage 47.3%. Last year they were 4-14 in conference, 8-10 the year before and 7-9 the year before that (who was the coach, Mitch?) You are probably right they most likely would never leave even though they have struggled in the A-10 and could be a top tier MAAC team every year (which is also why the Siena dreamers should consider switching up whatever they have been smoking when it comes to the A-10. "They took Davidson not us, it is all Mitch's fault.") Last time I checked (which was a couple of years ago) each A10 team pulls down 300k-400k per year from their tv contract. I don't think they would leave that kind of money without being tossed out. If they go to the maac they get a smaller payment from our tv deal AND if they achieve ncaa success their winnings are split amongst all the maac teams. Not sure how the A10 splits up tourney winnings but if it's the same as the maac the a10 can get 2-5 teams into the tourney every year. I would love lasalle or Fordham to come tot he maac. I just don't see it unless they get moved out. Actually the A-10 sets aside 25% of the NCAA money for "all schools" and the remaining 75% goes to schools based on their participation in the tournament (LaSalle has gone once in 15 years) so they get 1/14th of 25% which probably works out a little better than the MAAC but not as much as you might think. No doubt they make out much better with the TV deal but sending the baseball team or soccer team and a lot of women's teams to St Louis and elsewhere ain't cheap for a relatively poor school (endowment $80M vs Siena $139M vs Davidson $650M or Richmond $2.0B). You can't just look at the shiny objects.
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Post by Tony on Jun 18, 2016 15:14:37 GMT -5
Actually Lasalle went to sweet 16 a few years ago- and get 75% of that money over 8 years ( millions of dollars a year) As for Endowment and athletics--sorry no school is running their athletic dept from Endowment- if that was case Havard would be national champ every year. Xavier is in big east and has endowment Siena size. I dont see any school looking to leave A10 for the rinky dink MAAC..LaSalle has been there done that
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Post by MTS on Jun 18, 2016 16:56:54 GMT -5
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Post by warden99 on Jun 18, 2016 17:30:50 GMT -5
U Albany is away. We played in Burlington last year. So it's a home game
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Post by warden99 on Jun 18, 2016 17:32:48 GMT -5
Sorry confused by all the speculatin. On 2016-17 and 2017-18
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Post by knicksaint on Jun 18, 2016 19:45:08 GMT -5
One of the away games will be against the fifth team in the Gotham Claasic. Louisville and Memphis will each host Siena, Albany and the fifth team. Siena plays Albany at the TUC, Albany plays the fifth team at SEFCU, and Siena plays at the fifth team. There are really only three games left to schedule, and the expectation when the series with FGCU was announced wasvthat we would have 15 home games in 17-18. I guess we will find out.
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Post by hockeyguy on Jun 18, 2016 21:37:20 GMT -5
Actually Lasalle went to sweet 16 a few years ago- and get 75% of that money over 8 years ( millions of dollars a year) As for Endowment and athletics--sorry no school is running their athletic dept from Endowment- if that was case Havard would be national champ every year. Xavier is in big east and has endowment Siena size. I dont see any school looking to leave A10 for the rinky dink MAAC..LaSalle has been there done that Tony, Not to quibble but in 2014 La Salle earned 3 units of $250,100 each for reaching the sweet sixteen. They will get to retain 75% or about 563K (not millions) per year for 6 years (not 8 years). Certainly not chump change but not quite as lucrative as you had it. As for endowments, it was not my intent to imply that any school used endowment assets to fund athletics but all schools have expenses, most notably financial aid, operations and instruction. To the extent that these expenses can be covered by investment income from endowments, money from other sources (tuition, unrestricted gifts, beer sales at the TUC) can be used to fund other expenses, say ummmm, I dunno, athletics. So if the esteemed (insert name of rich alumnus) Professor of Far Eastern Mystical Studies has his $250K cost (almost half of La Salles's NCAA take) covered by an endowed chair ($5M at 5% return), that frees up some serious cash, except forever, not just 6 years. So as with other things, it is good to be a well endowed university. Speaking of which, Siena actually measures up quite well in that department, ranking in the top 30% nationally, or well above average in average endowment per student at almost $45K each. Now that's something the school can hang it's hat on.
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Post by th24 on Jun 19, 2016 11:31:40 GMT -5
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