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Post by jamalblack on Jan 15, 2014 11:20:19 GMT -5
PPC is absolutely right all the freshmen bring something to the table.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 15, 2014 11:26:59 GMT -5
I agree with all the positive comments regarding Wright. Just saying I think too many are too critical of Long without acknowledging how hard it is to have to play 3 positions coupled with being a freshman. He's battling against quicker SFs, and stronger more experienced PFs & Cs. Again I too agree with how well Wright's been playing. Has a shot at ROY. But this article was about Oliver & Long. Hence my comments on Long. He deserves more credit than critism IMHO. hes a 4 attempting to play the 3. that is two positions. He is spending about 80-90% of his time at the 4. Not really playing 3 let alone 2 positions. He is a good player. We can acknowledge that he is working hard and that hes good player without saying he is going to be the best of all of the freshman. Those are different statements. I only brought up wright because of the comment you made about long being the best of the freshman. Three: 3-5. He's play the 5 in four guards & him sets. He guarded the opposing teams' C in a few games (Cornell & at least one or two at OSC). Granted he may have played sparingly at C in only some games but none the less has played 3 positions. I'll stop because it's clear I'm failing to get my point across. Now I see how people like KK get frustrated. I'm not trying to convince people that Long is great or better or more valuable than Wright, but I do expect people to consider how much he's accomplished, rather than focusing on the negatives. Yes he has room for improvement but he's accomplished so much so far. |
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 15, 2014 11:39:16 GMT -5
I agree with all the positive comments regarding Wright. Just saying I think too many are too critical of Long without acknowledging how hard it is to have to play 3 positions coupled with being a freshman. He's battling against quicker SFs, and stronger more experienced PFs & Cs. Again I too agree with how well Wright's been playing. Has a shot at ROY. But this article was about Oliver & Long. Hence my comments on Long. He deserves more credit than critism IMHO. hes a 4 attempting to play the 3. that is two positions. He is spending about 80-90% of his time at the 4. Not really playing 3 let alone 2 positions. He is a good player. We can acknowledge that he is working hard and that hes good player without saying he is going to be the best of all of the freshman. Those are different statements. I only brought up wright because of the comment you made about long being the best of the freshman. I don't remember saying Long was the best of the Freshman. If I did, my mistake. Thought I said one of the best Freshman. Now I understand the criticism of my posts and not of Long himself. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 11:46:25 GMT -5
IndianSaint I know you have stated you are the "glass half full" but lets be realistic. Multiple players have played multiple positions on this team. I know there has been much debate on what position Lavon plays and what his current skill set allows him to play but in my opinion Lavon's production has regressed since going to the big lineup. And please lets not go back to the G/F designation on the website and what Patsos told PPC, that was months ago, and not what is happening on the court. Nobody was able to lock down the SG position at the start of the season which led to the big lineup, that is fact. Lavon was developing and playing well at the PF spot and as you see by the numbers below the big lineup has not worked for him. I am not even going to get into the defense part of it.
PF (8 games) 10.8 pts 5.4 reb 0.8 ass 0.8 bl 1.0 st
SF (9 games) 6.8 pts 4.0 reb 1.3 ass 0.5 bl 0.2 st
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 12:01:00 GMT -5
Also a couple of the previous posts that Wright gets all of his minutes and allowed to play thru his mistakes because he is the only PG on the team and not get pulled is really a discredit to Wright and how he has played this season. As a freshman he leads the MAAC in assists, steals and third in Ass/TO ratio. If Wright was not playing as well as he is he would have his minutes cut also. Believe me Patsos would not leave him out there if his play was costing the team some wins
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 15, 2014 12:45:11 GMT -5
Patsos said just the other day Lavon plays 2-4 #Facts
As for Wright he is our only Pg so he has no one fighting with him for time. That is reality. That does not mean he has not earned it or done well while playing the majority of every game...it just means he is judged on his full body of work every game and not any one missed shot or turnover..its like the quarterback that plays the entire game while other positions are subbed in and out based on the plan...its a hard job but being allowed to learn on the job and play through mistakes builds confidence and for a freshman that is one of the biggest obstacles to overcome. ..the other freshmen do not have that luxury. ..they all have been subjected to up and down minutes each game based on each individual play they make in every game...and that is due to the competition at every other position. ..the returners handle that same treatment better due to their experience in DI ball...so we see them in the starting line-up leading by example
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 15, 2014 12:46:27 GMT -5
I agree with all the positive comments regarding Wright. Just saying I think too many are too critical of Long without acknowledging how hard it is to have to play 3 positions coupled with being a freshman. He's battling against quicker SFs, and stronger more experienced PFs & Cs. Again I too agree with how well Wright's been playing. Has a shot at ROY. But this article was about Oliver & Long. Hence my comments on Long. He deserves more credit than critism IMHO. Agreed as Patsos also said Lavon will never play the 1 or 5 but can play 2,3,4 and that is in line with what I said before...there is a pg a center and 3 athletes in a Patsos offense. Our pg is great at what he does...he would be ineffective at any other position and that is the same for our center. We only have one pg so he plays through his mistakes not looking over his shoulder which brings the confidence needed to pull the job off as a freshman. The rest of the freshmen are competing for time with experienced players. Again I think it is a good thing that we are not being carried by freshmen. This team is quite possibly winless without one of the freshman. Lavon hasn't played the two once #facts |
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 15, 2014 12:50:37 GMT -5
IndianSaint I know you have stated you are the "glass half full" but lets be realistic. Multiple players have played multiple positions on this team. I know there has been much debate on what position Lavon plays and what his current skill set allows him to play but in my opinion Lavon's production has regressed since going to the big lineup. And please lets not go back to the G/F designation on the website and what Patsos told PPC, that was months ago, and not what is happening on the court. Nobody was able to lock down the SG position at the start of the season which led to the big lineup, that is fact. Lavon was developing and playing well at the PF spot and as you see by the numbers below the big lineup has not worked for him. I am not even going to get into the defense part of it. PF (8 games) 10.8 pts 5.4 reb 0.8 ass 0.8 bl 1.0 st SF (9 games) 6.8 pts 4.0 reb 1.3 ass 0.5 bl 0.2 st These numbers are also magnified as Lavon got solid numbers at the 4 against the toughest part of the schedule. .. The ooc. He's now playing against the softer MAAC slate and is still considerably down in production as a 3 despite the weaker competition |
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 15, 2014 12:52:06 GMT -5
I think this will be great for Long. Off the bench he can let the game come to him and do what he does best. I think he is pressing at the start most nights, almost like he is nervous to pick up a quick foul. Long will be the best one of this class, he just needs to develop a little more mentally and make the adjustments to D1 ball. Sorry IndianSaint it was another poster |
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 15, 2014 12:52:50 GMT -5
Patsos said just the other day Lavon plays 2-4 #Facts He lied  |
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Post by playerparentcoach on Jan 15, 2014 13:14:32 GMT -5
Patsos said just the other day Lavon plays 2-4 #Facts He lied Which time? You take what you want from what he says and believe what fits your agenda...I will believe the coach and what I see...practice is where you earn playing time and where the coach puts the pieces together...Lavon plays everywhere in practice then plays where he is needed in the game..Patsos understands Lavon's skill set and that's why he is listed as he is and Patsos' describes him like he does...Lavon is very early in his career... his potential due to his skill set has yet to be realized... |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2014 13:25:05 GMT -5
PPC, not looking to get into a debate but can you help me understand two things? If Patsos truly feels Lavon can play the 2 and he has the skill set to play the 2 at this level, at this point in his career why has he not played at the 2 all year despite that being the main weakness on the team so far this year, while Patsos has played numerous players at the 2 to try and solve the issue? Also how has the big lineup helped the team? It has slowed Lavon's development and the only decent win was against Rider. Lost to the three best teams they have played while giving up 93pts to Canisius and 87pts to Iona. We all are entitled to our opinions. I just do not see the benefit of the big lineup so far.
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Post by IndianSaint on Jan 15, 2014 13:33:33 GMT -5
I think this will be great for Long. Off the bench he can let the game come to him and do what he does best. I think he is pressing at the start most nights, almost like he is nervous to pick up a quick foul. Long will be the best one of this class, he just needs to develop a little more mentally and make the adjustments to D1 ball. Sorry IndianSaint it was another poster No problem. I jumped on your posts a couple of times without reading (or comprehending) the entire post. My bad, and I apologize for my reaction. I do agree with the referenced poster that Long will end up one of the best of this class. As of now I do agree with others that Wright is the best Frosh to date. I agree Lavon's numbers have dropped recently. Maybe he's putting too much pressure in himself. That's probably why I feel the need to defend him. In my eyes he's already done a great job as a Frosh & will only get better. Also hoping White & Wolf come around by Feb & Mar as opposed to next yr. We could still surprise the MAAC come Mar. We're good. I over reacted. |
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Post by th24 on Jan 15, 2014 13:55:21 GMT -5
Mark Singelais: Siena coach Jimmy Patsos said Ryan Oliver hurt his thumb in practice yesterday, so it's unclear whether he'll start at Manhattan.
Maybe Jimmy is playing mind games with Manhattan?!
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Post by SaintsFan on Jan 15, 2014 14:15:12 GMT -5
I should have added as well that despite my comments regarding Wright... this team has one hell of a freshman class.
im hoping we get back to the lineup of
Bisping or Ogunyemi
Long
Poole
White
Wright
oliver did have a good game the other day and who knows... maybe that is something to build on.
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