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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 30, 2013 13:47:54 GMT -5
OK PPC you win again. you are correct and I am completely wrong. I am just one of those crazy fans that goes on what the stats dictate and what is actually happening on the court and not what is listed on a website 4 months ago or what was promised during recruiting. I go by all the things I . Posted... stats dont tell what position a player plays for one thing....Patsos is an honest recruiter....everything he has said till now has been accurate. .and changes were made when we came to Siena rather than Loyola... Patsos knows what his team is doing on the court and decides who plays where along with the type of offense being run...so I will listen to him rather than agree with your opinion
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 30, 2013 13:52:00 GMT -5
She's the only person out ehre that thinks her son is a guard, and not a forward. The distinction is very, very importnat to her. The term "forward" is an insult to Lavons "skill set." I told her in October her son was a stretch 4 for this team, and you would have though I called him a bum! lol He plays both forward sports for Siena. Whether she wants to accecpt that fact or not, really doesn't matter to me. People see, believe what they want to. Parents are never objective when it comes to evaluating their own children. Lavon is a very good player. I'm glad he's here. He will will help us win a lot of games from the forward position No you are the only person using your opinion to ignore the facts...you are not the coach...you dont have any info on where the players play and what offense is being run.. it does not bother me if you call Lavon a center...Patsos makes those decisions so only his facts matter...your opinion doesn't. ..
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Post by Quackman on Dec 30, 2013 13:54:37 GMT -5
Don't mean to jump into this mid argument, but a couple of thoughts.
Wish Hopper the best. My understanding is that he has represented Siena well throughout his tenure, I certainly dont see that he has done anything that deserves classless shots at him as he moves on. (Then again, class isn't the first adjective I would use when discussing some of the posters out here)
I could care less if Long is a 2 or a 3 or a 4, he's a good player who will only get better. If Lavon, his mom and Patsos see him as a 3 in Jimmy's system, more power to him. One thing I would say, good things seem to happen when he has the ball in his hands. I'd like to see him have the ball more. Some of that is up to him by limiting the dumb fouls.
As for whether Siena runs a 3 or 4 guard lineup, the reality is that Siena will be at their best when they have 3 or 4 guys with guard like skills on the floor at the same time. I actually like Long at the 3 when they are playing a 2/3 zone, it means they have good size on both wings and a shot blocker (Silas or JO) in the middle. On offense, it will make them hard to guard because so many teams play small.
Lastly, when is the last time Siena was considered a good 3 point shooting team? I guess you could argue that when Tay Fisher was a senior, with Hasbrouck a junior, they were a decent 3 point shooting team ... but the last time I recall them being a great 3pt team was when Hewitt was there. They've certainly played a number of 3 guard lineups since the late 90's.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 30, 2013 13:56:34 GMT -5
Don't mean to jump into this mid argument, but a couple of thoughts. Wish Hopper the best. My understanding is that he has represented Siena well throughout his tenure, I certainly dont see that he has done anything that deserves classless shots at him as he moves on. (Then again, class isn't the first adjective I would use when discussing some of the posters out here) I could care less if Long is a 2 or a 3 or a 4, he's a good player who will only get better. If Lavon, his mom and Patsos see him as a 3 in Jimmy's system, more power to him. One thing I would say, good things seem to happen when he has the ball in his hands. I'd like to see him have the ball more. Some of that is up to him by limiting the dumb fouls. As for whether Siena runs a 3 or 4 guard lineup, the reality is that Siena will be at their best when they have 3 or 4 guys with guard like skills on the floor at the same time. I actually like Long at the 3 when they are playing a 2/3 zone, it means they have good size on both wings and a shot blocker (Silas or JO) in the middle. On offense, it will make them hard to guard because so many teams play small. Lastly, when is the last time Siena was considered a good 3 point shooting team? I guess you could argue that when Tay Fisher was a senior, with Hasbrouck a junior, they were a decent 3 point shooting team ... but the last time I recall them being a great 3pt team was when Hewitt was there. They've certainly played a number of 3 guard lineups since the late 90's. Thank you for your unbiased opinion. Case Closed
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Post by hoopfan1988 on Dec 30, 2013 13:57:57 GMT -5
Hoopfan you are missing the point. Long is a guard in a 4 guard offense, he just happens to be a power guard who post up small fowards, power forwards, and centers all game long. Most of his points this year will come within 5 feet of the basket, but that's what power forwards "oops" I mean power guards do. As PPC said, you must bring your knowledge of the game up todate.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 30, 2013 14:00:58 GMT -5
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Post by billmurray on Dec 30, 2013 14:04:30 GMT -5
We have five guys out there at a time, I don't care what you call them. Just put the ball in the basket and score more points than the other guys. As for the number of threes taken, Patsos knows that as a team and even individually the three point shot is not a team strength and he prefers to attack the rim rather than settle for the three most of the time. If we had five centers on the team and they all shot like Cantemessa would the stats show we ran a five guard offense? Siena doesn't shoot the three because no matter what the designation of the player on the floor, they have not shown the consistent ability to hit that shot, guard, forward or center. If they did the game plan would change.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 30, 2013 14:11:26 GMT -5
We have five guys out there at a time, I don't care what you call them. Just put the ball in the basket and score more points than the other guys. As for the number of threes taken, Patsos knows that as a team and even individually the three point shot is not a team strength and he prefers to attack the rim rather than settle for the three most of the time. If we had five centers on the team and they all shot like Cantemessa would the stats show we ran a five guard offense? Siena doesn't shoot the three because no matter what the designation of the player on the floor, they have not shown the consistent ability to hit that shot, guard, forward or center. If they did the game plan would change. I agree completely. ..its basketball and smart coaches play to their strengths.. positions are not traditional anymore... the game continues to evolve. .. you have a pg, a center and 3 athletes now a days..
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 30, 2013 14:29:57 GMT -5
We have five guys out there at a time, I don't care what you call them. Just put the ball in the basket and score more points than the other guys. As for the number of threes taken, Patsos knows that as a team and even individually the three point shot is not a team strength and he prefers to attack the rim rather than settle for the three most of the time. If we had five centers on the team and they all shot like Cantemessa would the stats show we ran a five guard offense? Siena doesn't shoot the three because no matter what the designation of the player on the floor, they have not shown the consistent ability to hit that shot, guard, forward or center. If they did the game plan would change. I agree completely. ..its basketball and smart coaches play to their strengths.. positions are not traditional anymore... the game continues to evolve. .. you have a pg, a center and 3 athletes now a days.. "You agree completely?" No, you don't, and thats the problem. You're the only one out here that thinks Lavon is a guard and not a forward. I guess If i was recruiting your son, I'd tell you whatever you wanted to hear to get you sign the LOI too. You say Lavon scores most of his points AWAY from the basket? Lavon has 118 points thru 12 games, and 9 of them have been from behind the arc. You might wanna re-evaluate your "opinion" on where he scores. FORWARDS score most of their points in a mid range game, or in other words where Lavon does his scoring. Kevin Durnat must be a guard too. Same for Kevin Love. If you spend some your time on the perimeter, you're a guard.
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Post by bigsaintg on Dec 30, 2013 14:32:40 GMT -5
Let's see what Scott calls him tonight
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Post by hoopfan1988 on Dec 30, 2013 14:44:41 GMT -5
PPC has posted on other boards many times that Lavon is Lebron like. This is why you get the constant argument when he is mentioned as a forward. If 19 of the 20 coaches who recruited your kid saw him as a mismatch 4 and only 1 told you he was a guard, who would you believe? She heard what she wanted to from Patsos and that sealed the deal. The old recruiting game.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 30, 2013 15:12:49 GMT -5
PPC has posted on other boards many times that Lavon is Lebron like. This is why you get the constant argument when he is mentioned as a forward. If 19 of the 20 coaches who recruited your kid saw him as a mismatch 4 and only 1 told you he was a guard, who would you believe? She heard what she wanted to from Patsos and that sealed the deal. The old recruiting game. Give it a rest coach lol that was HS and LeBron is a PF in the league at 6'9 Lavon is 6'6 so that does not apply here...why are you so concerned about Lavon's title... its his skill set that I am talking about...he does not score most of his points from 5 feet posting up as you said...what is your point in continuing this back and forth? Why does it mean so much to you what position the announcer says he is? Lavon is a G/F for Siena and will play wherever he is asked and do what it takes to win.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Dec 30, 2013 15:19:00 GMT -5
I agree completely. ..its basketball and smart coaches play to their strengths.. positions are not traditional anymore... the game continues to evolve. .. you have a pg, a center and 3 athletes now a days.. "You agree completely?" No, you don't, and thats the problem. You're the only one out here that thinks Lavon is a guard and not a forward. I guess If i was recruiting your son, I'd tell you whatever you wanted to hear to get you sign the LOI too. You say Lavon scores most of his points AWAY from the basket? Lavon has 118 points thru 12 games, and 9 of them have been from behind the arc. You might wanna re-evaluate your "opinion" on where he scores. FORWARDS score most of their points in a mid range game, or in other words where Lavon does his scoring. Kevin Durnat must be a guard too. Same for Kevin Love. If you spend some your time on the perimeter, you're a guard. So now you know what I am thinking lol. .. you should really just read my words and not look for hidden meaning. .. I did not say he scored most of his points anywhere. ..you said that... Lavon has scored from 3, on the block, as well as midrange and at the rim off the bounce... I have not broken down how much he has scored on each level just that he has scored on all 3.. Patsos has followed up with everything he has said during recruiting. . Lavon is comfortable in his G/F role on the team...too bad it bothers you so much
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Post by hoopjunkie on Dec 30, 2013 15:23:49 GMT -5
...most of his points have not been around the rim. This ISN'T you telling us "where" he scores? GUARANTEED that MOST of his points have come from inside 8 ft. Let's bet. Go over every basket he scored this seaosn and get back to me. And this doesn't bother me. I feel bad that you're the only one that thinks he's a guard. I haven't seen one poster come to your defense. All you have is, "When Jimmy recruited us, he told us we'd be a guard...." Of course he did, because thats what you wanted to hear, and your son is a very talented player. Problem is, every game so far he's only played either the 3 (Small forward) or the 4 (power forward). NEVER the 2 (off guard). This isn't an opinion, it's a fact. Even if you keep saying Siena is running a 4 guard offense. which is news to every fan, supporter, reporter in the Capital District. Just because Lavon is versatile, doesn't make him a guard.
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Post by SaintsFan on Dec 30, 2013 15:35:44 GMT -5
Call him whatever wanted... if he continues to play the majority of minutes at the 4 slot... as he has... then this team will be just fine.
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