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Post by saints15 on Feb 9, 2024 16:27:05 GMT -5
CellarRat- i feel bad for the athletes who bear the brunt of his ineptitude and his arrogance. and his inability to change or adapt. Yes I can feel sorry for Carm too but the bottom line is he owns this mess -a direct result of his actions and inactions and truculent nature.Confidence is great in a coach but so is reflection... Athletes are less loyal than the coach, much less so. Nil and transfer rules have changed the game. Don’t feel bad for them, they don’t seem to mind the blowouts. And they won’t miss a beat. Some will make more money next year and maybe more the year after that. It’s business now, for the coaches AND the players, so don’t feel bad for them, right? Less loyal? Carm was ready to bolt to Fordham after 1 year at his ‘dream job.’ And don’t buy the ‘he took himself out of consideration and was just using it to leverage Siena.’ If they offered him 600-800k he would have walked to NYC. The realty is they interviewed him, told him he wasn’t making the cut, so he pulled what every coach not getting the job does ‘I’m taking myself out of consideration.’ |
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 9, 2024 17:51:54 GMT -5
Athletes are less loyal than the coach, much less so. Nil and transfer rules have changed the game. Don’t feel bad for them, they don’t seem to mind the blowouts. And they won’t miss a beat. Some will make more money next year and maybe more the year after that. It’s business now, for the coaches AND the players, so don’t feel bad for them, right? Less loyal? Carm was ready to bolt to Fordham after 1 year at his ‘dream job.’ And don’t buy the ‘he took himself out of consideration and was just using it to leverage Siena.’ If they offered him 600-800k he would have walked to NYC. The realty is they interviewed him, told him he wasn’t making the cut, so he pulled what every coach not getting the job does ‘I’m taking myself out of consideration.’ What’s your point? Do you have one? Or are you as dense as one Indian? The kids are no more loyal than Carm is, I would suggest less so. These kids are no longer student athletes. That’s my point. |
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Post by gwcolonial on Feb 9, 2024 18:01:29 GMT -5
I sympathize with the Siena basketball community but the situation you are in now should come as no surprise to the administration that hired him 5 years ago. GW is now in year 8 of our self inflicted "dumpster fire" of 2016. That was when our inept administration ignored Coach Lonergan's reporting of AD Nero having an inappropriate relationship with one of his players in 2015. A year later they decided to back Nero and fire the whistleblower Lonergan. A year later, Lonergan gets millions in a settlement, Nero is exposed by Deadspin for more inappropriate behavior and paid millions to go away quietly. We are now on our 4th coach in 8 years. Like Siena, we are in no financial position to "buy out" coaches. Carm was a 3rd assistant (glorified basketball operations director) under Lonergan who was given a job as a favor to fill a sudden staff departure. That didn't stop him from sucking up to AD Nero in an attempt to get the interim job after Lonergan was fired, which eventually went to Maurice Joseph (Nero's choice). We all know how that turned out. Mojo inherited a stacked team that just won the NIT so the team did OK despite not having a qualified coach (like Carm did in his 1st year with Siena). GW's program may never recover (it's been almost a decade of misery). Our fans have disappeared and our board (gwhoopos.com) is pathetic with about 5-10 regular posters vs the hundreds of posters we used to have. I hope your administration makes the hard and right choice and makes a change. His buyout shouldn't be an issue. GW should know after 8 years of lost revenue, millions paid to Lonergan to settle his unlawful termination suit and millions more to sweep under the rug the sexual misconduct Nero was doing for years. Carm is in over his head, doesn't know his X's and O's and obviously can't recruit. Siena should fire the AD and Carm on the last day of the basketball season. Otherwise, join GW fans and strap in for more years of misery ahead.
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Post by gwcolonial on Feb 9, 2024 18:05:24 GMT -5
Also, Carm was infamous at GW for posting on GWHoops.com with his agenda while there. It shouldn't be hard to figure out when he does. I welcome his input to my post above when he reads it. It should give him a warm and fuzzy from his time spent at Foggy Bottom. Good luck vs Manhattan Carm.
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Post by $cott on Feb 9, 2024 18:21:33 GMT -5
I sympathize with the Siena basketball community but the situation you are in now should come as no surprise to the administration that hired him 5 years ago. GW is now in year 8 of our self inflicted "dumpster fire" of 2016. That was when our inept administration ignored Coach Lonergan's reporting of AD Nero having an inappropriate relationship with one of his players in 2015. A year later they decided to back Nero and fire the whistleblower Lonergan. A year later, Lonergan gets millions in a settlement, Nero is exposed by Deadspin for more inappropriate behavior and paid millions to go away quietly. We are now on our 4th coach in 8 years. Like Siena, we are in no financial position to "buy out" coaches. Carm was a 3rd assistant (glorified basketball operations director) under Lonergan who was given a job as a favor to fill a sudden staff departure. That didn't stop him from sucking up to AD Nero in an attempt to get the interim job after Lonergan was fired, which eventually went to Maurice Joseph (Nero's choice). We all know how that turned out. Mojo inherited a stacked team that just won the NIT so the team did OK despite not having a qualified coach (like Carm did in his 1st year with Siena). GW's program may never recover (it's been almost a decade of misery). Our fans have disappeared and our board (gwhoopos.com) is pathetic with about 5-10 regular posters vs the hundreds of posters we used to have. I hope your administration makes the hard and right choice and makes a change. His buyout shouldn't be an issue. GW should know after 8 years of lost revenue, millions paid to Lonergan to settle his unlawful termination suit and millions more to sweep under the rug the sexual misconduct Nero was doing for years. Carm is in over his head, doesn't know his X's and O's and obviously can't recruit. Siena should fire the AD and Carm on the last day of the basketball season. Otherwise, join GW fans and strap in for more years of misery ahead. Thanks for the insight. I hear all the time and even think to myself that I wish Siena had joined the A-10 after the Fran years. But at the same time, I fear that without the adequate support from the administration, Siena would be an even worse version of GW. Not winning in the MAAC is an easy enough hole to dig out of. Not winning in the A-10 takes investing millions into the best shovel money can buy. |
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 9, 2024 18:47:20 GMT -5
I sympathize with the Siena basketball community but the situation you are in now should come as no surprise to the administration that hired him 5 years ago. GW is now in year 8 of our self inflicted "dumpster fire" of 2016. That was when our inept administration ignored Coach Lonergan's reporting of AD Nero having an inappropriate relationship with one of his players in 2015. A year later they decided to back Nero and fire the whistleblower Lonergan. A year later, Lonergan gets millions in a settlement, Nero is exposed by Deadspin for more inappropriate behavior and paid millions to go away quietly. We are now on our 4th coach in 8 years. Like Siena, we are in no financial position to "buy out" coaches. Carm was a 3rd assistant (glorified basketball operations director) under Lonergan who was given a job as a favor to fill a sudden staff departure. That didn't stop him from sucking up to AD Nero in an attempt to get the interim job after Lonergan was fired, which eventually went to Maurice Joseph (Nero's choice). We all know how that turned out. Mojo inherited a stacked team that just won the NIT so the team did OK despite not having a qualified coach (like Carm did in his 1st year with Siena). GW's program may never recover (it's been almost a decade of misery). Our fans have disappeared and our board (gwhoopos.com) is pathetic with about 5-10 regular posters vs the hundreds of posters we used to have. I hope your administration makes the hard and right choice and makes a change. His buyout shouldn't be an issue. GW should know after 8 years of lost revenue, millions paid to Lonergan to settle his unlawful termination suit and millions more to sweep under the rug the sexual misconduct Nero was doing for years. Carm is in over his head, doesn't know his X's and O's and obviously can't recruit. Siena should fire the AD and Carm on the last day of the basketball season. Otherwise, join GW fans and strap in for more years of misery ahead. Thanks for the insight. I hear all the time and even think to myself that I wish Siena had joined the A-10 after the Fran years. But at the same time, I fear that without the adequate support from the administration, Siena would be an even worse version of GW. Not winning in the MAAC is an easy enough hole to dig out of. Not winning in the A-10 takes investing millions into the best shovel money can buy. Bottom of the A10 is better than being at the bottom of the Maac. |
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Post by billmurray on Feb 9, 2024 19:01:41 GMT -5
Being the bottom anywhere is no fun.
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Post by OneIndian on Feb 9, 2024 19:15:27 GMT -5
Also, Carm was infamous at GW for posting on GWHoops.com with his agenda while there. It shouldn't be hard to figure out when he does. I welcome his input to my post above when he reads it. It should give him a warm and fuzzy from his time spent at Foggy Bottom. Good luck vs Manhattan Carm. Interesting I am fairly certain he’s a lurker here? Did he post on the GW board as himself or a different username? I had no idea he was 3rd seat. So we basically hired a guy with next to no experience. Makes sense. We have our own albatross for an AD as well…. |
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Post by saints15 on Feb 9, 2024 19:24:57 GMT -5
Less loyal? Carm was ready to bolt to Fordham after 1 year at his ‘dream job.’ And don’t buy the ‘he took himself out of consideration and was just using it to leverage Siena.’ If they offered him 600-800k he would have walked to NYC. The realty is they interviewed him, told him he wasn’t making the cut, so he pulled what every coach not getting the job does ‘I’m taking myself out of consideration.’ What’s your point? Do you have one? Or are you as dense as one Indian? The kids are no more loyal than Carm is, I would suggest less so. These kids are no longer student athletes. That’s my point. CellarRat said:Athletes are less loyal than the coach, much less so. You originally said they were less loyal than the coach. Now you want to say “the kids are no more loyal than Carm is.” If you look at the kids that left, at least most of them stayed at least 2 years. The reality is they are all out for themselves. So my point is your original statement that players are much less loyal than the coach is wrong. That clarify it for you?? |
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 9, 2024 19:27:11 GMT -5
Carm is wrong. This is not Siena basketball. The expectations are to see Siena basketball and this is not it. He should be concerned that the product he is putting out there does not even approximate a cheap imitation of Siena Basketball. It is unwatchable. Its one thing to lose, but to continually get dominated, especially on your home floor, is not acceptable. And as for feeling "sorry" for Carm, he lost that option from me when he couldnt wait to get out of here, and applied for the worst job at the P6 level. After only one year at his "dream job." |
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 9, 2024 19:31:34 GMT -5
I sympathize with the Siena basketball community but the situation you are in now should come as no surprise to the administration that hired him 5 years ago. GW is now in year 8 of our self inflicted "dumpster fire" of 2016. That was when our inept administration ignored Coach Lonergan's reporting of AD Nero having an inappropriate relationship with one of his players in 2015. A year later they decided to back Nero and fire the whistleblower Lonergan. A year later, Lonergan gets millions in a settlement, Nero is exposed by Deadspin for more inappropriate behavior and paid millions to go away quietly. We are now on our 4th coach in 8 years. Like Siena, we are in no financial position to "buy out" coaches. Carm was a 3rd assistant (glorified basketball operations director) under Lonergan who was given a job as a favor to fill a sudden staff departure. That didn't stop him from sucking up to AD Nero in an attempt to get the interim job after Lonergan was fired, which eventually went to Maurice Joseph (Nero's choice). We all know how that turned out. Mojo inherited a stacked team that just won the NIT so the team did OK despite not having a qualified coach (like Carm did in his 1st year with Siena). GW's program may never recover (it's been almost a decade of misery). Our fans have disappeared and our board (gwhoopos.com) is pathetic with about 5-10 regular posters vs the hundreds of posters we used to have. I hope your administration makes the hard and right choice and makes a change. His buyout shouldn't be an issue. GW should know after 8 years of lost revenue, millions paid to Lonergan to settle his unlawful termination suit and millions more to sweep under the rug the sexual misconduct Nero was doing for years. Carm is in over his head, doesn't know his X's and O's and obviously can't recruit. Siena should fire the AD and Carm on the last day of the basketball season. Otherwise, join GW fans and strap in for more years of misery ahead. Thanks for your insight. Great hearing an opinion on whats going on from a different angle. Speaking of Lonergan, I'd hire him in a minute. Problem is he's so close to Jimmy, he'd probably never answer our call. That guy can flat out coach and should be on someones sideline. |
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 10, 2024 8:00:08 GMT -5
What’s your point? Do you have one? Or are you as dense as one Indian? The kids are no more loyal than Carm is, I would suggest less so. These kids are no longer student athletes. That’s my point. CellarRat said:Athletes are less loyal than the coach, much less so. You originally said they were less loyal than the coach. Now you want to say “the kids are no more loyal than Carm is.” If you look at the kids that left, at least most of them stayed at least 2 years. The reality is they are all out for themselves. So my point is your original statement that players are much less loyal than the coach is wrong. That clarify it for you?? You’re wrong, you think Eley wants to be here? You don’t think he shopped around after his first year and possibly during it? Oh I get it, if you don’t see it, it doesn’t count. Carm wanted to get more money and an extension, nothing wrong with that. Don’t be silly, these kids want to go to a higher level if they can. The ones that stay have no choices. Carm is from the area with family ties and played for Siena. Stop being clueless. |
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Post by saints15 on Feb 10, 2024 9:29:23 GMT -5
CellarRat said:Athletes are less loyal than the coach, much less so. You originally said they were less loyal than the coach. Now you want to say “the kids are no more loyal than Carm is.” If you look at the kids that left, at least most of them stayed at least 2 years. The reality is they are all out for themselves. So my point is your original statement that players are much less loyal than the coach is wrong. That clarify it for you?? You’re wrong, you think Eley wants to be here? You don’t think he shopped around after his first year and possibly during it? Oh I get it, if you don’t see it, it doesn’t count. Carm wanted to get more money and an extension, nothing wrong with that. Don’t be silly, these kids want to go to a higher level if they can. The ones that stay have no choices. Carm is from the area with family ties and played for Siena. Stop being clueless. I said they were all out for themselves. You’re the one who said the players are much less loyal than the coaches. If you think Carm really had no intention of leaving if Fordham offered him 600-800k your the clueless one. And it isn’t just Carm. Every coach that we have had that did well and had an opportunity to move up took it., and I have no problem with that. The only difference is now the players have the same opportunities that coaches always have had. |
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Post by glen on Feb 10, 2024 9:59:24 GMT -5
Carm wanted more money and an extension. He got it. Now time to honor his end of the deal. Carm's making roughly $400K. After 5 years he'll have brought home > $1M. If he didn't set any aside that's on him. Every coach knows the metrics for coaching at a MAAC school. Graduate players, keep players out of trouble, and win. You do those 3 things, you're an ace. Period. You win 3 games by a combined 4 baskets and lose games regularly at home by 20+...if you're objective you have to admit you didn't meet expectations. I'd argue now that players aren't staying 4 years, you don't even need to worry about the first metric. That leaves 2, one of which Carm has been trending down on to this current point.
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Post by MTS on Feb 10, 2024 11:13:29 GMT -5
Carm wanted more money and an extension. He got it. Now time to honor his end of the deal. Carm's making roughly $400K. After 5 years he'll have brought home > $1M. If he didn't set any aside that's on him. Every coach knows the metrics for coaching at a MAAC school. Graduate players, keep players out of trouble, and win. You do those 3 things, you're an ace. Period. You win 3 games by a combined 4 baskets and lose games regularly at home by 20+...if you're objective you have to admit you didn't meet expectations. I'd argue now that players aren't staying 4 years, you don't even need to worry about the first metric. That leaves 2, one of which Carm has been trending down on to this current point. I don’t feel bad for Carm the coach. Carm the man, sure. He has a beautiful young family. But to quote the great James Patsos “If I don’t win I’ll get fired” and “This is the business we’ve chosen”. Jalen Pickett got Carm 7 years of HC salary. A major reason Carm was hired was to keep Pickett here. Since Pickett left we’re 35-49 including this abomination of a season. |
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