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Post by hoopdad on Jan 29, 2024 22:31:02 GMT -5
IMO, Kyle Young was another D2 caliber player recruited by Carm. I believe his stats at Flagler (which are down this season) prove that. BTW I posted that opinion while he was a player for Siena and a number of others on here disagreed with me. Kyle was Flagers leading rebounder and 3rd leading scorer last year. This year I have no idea what happened. It looks like he spits time in the middle with another kid who he scores more than and outrebounds in less minutes. Id take Kyle over Gribben, Frazier, Coyle and Iceman in a heartbeat. He was an enforcer. Every team needs a physical force like him. Kid played hard, maybe too hard, but Id rather a bunch of kids that cared like he did. All true and on a D2 team which I believe is the level where he belongs. I never said he did not play hard or was not a physical player. I said he was a D2 caliber player. With his size if he was a D1 player, in today's world of NIL and the portal he would end up on a D1 team if he had the talent.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jan 29, 2024 23:31:32 GMT -5
Kyle was Flagers leading rebounder and 3rd leading scorer last year. This year I have no idea what happened. It looks like he spits time in the middle with another kid who he scores more than and outrebounds in less minutes. Id take Kyle over Gribben, Frazier, Coyle and Iceman in a heartbeat. He was an enforcer. Every team needs a physical force like him. Kid played hard, maybe too hard, but Id rather a bunch of kids that cared like he did. All true and on a D2 team which I believe is the level where he belongs. I never said he did not play hard or was not a physical player. I said he was a D2 caliber player. With his size if he was a D1 player, in today's world of NIL and the portal he would end up on a D1 team if he had the talent. Young had 6 other D-1 offers besides us coming out of HS. If you're going to miss, miss big. 6'10" kids are rare at our level. Especially ones that play with fire. I had no problem with giving him a scholarship to play for us. His last year here he only got 11 min a game but avg 6 points/3.5 rebounds. Kid always seemed to produce when he got the chance.
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Post by hardwood on Jan 30, 2024 9:13:28 GMT -5
All true and on a D2 team which I believe is the level where he belongs. I never said he did not play hard or was not a physical player. I said he was a D2 caliber player. With his size if he was a D1 player, in today's world of NIL and the portal he would end up on a D1 team if he had the talent. Young had 6 other D-1 offers besides us coming out of HS. If you're going to miss, miss big. 6'10" kids are rare at our level. Especially ones that play with fire. I had no problem with giving him a scholarship to play for us. His last year here he only got 11 min a game but avg 6 points/3.5 rebounds. Kid always seemed to produce when he got the chance. Everyone on this team could use a bit of Young’s passion for the game except Zek, that kid seems to care.
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Post by james on Jan 30, 2024 10:40:12 GMT -5
I believe Carm allowed some players to vote and run Kyle Young out of town even though one of the players voting was fighting for playing with Kyle who by the way had nearly identical stats as him. Carm's actions for this should have raised a red flag about his character. GO SAINTS!!
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Post by missatomicbomb8 on Feb 1, 2024 20:02:32 GMT -5
Our starting lineup IF the portal/NIL didnt exist: PG--Javian McCollum....14.3ppg...2.9 reb...3.9 assists (Oklahoma) 2G--Jordan King........19.0ppg...4.3 reb...2.4 assists (Richmond) SF--Colby Rogers.......15.5ppg...3.6 reb...2.0 assists (Wichita State) PF--Jared Billups........5.4ppg...4.4 reb...1.3 assists (George Mason) C---Kyle Young.........14.5ppg...7.5 reb...1.8 assists ('22-'23 season @ Flagler) Imagine this group in Today's MAAC?? LOT of talent there. AND IF MY AUNT HAD A PENIS,SHE WOULD BE MY UNCLE. DUMB post in 2024. The landscape.We knew the portal was implemented like the rest of the 300+ D1 teams. It's on coach and JD to NOT RELOAD A BIT. SURE, it's the WILD WEST, BUT these are the NEW RULES....
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Post by missatomicbomb8 on Feb 1, 2024 20:09:20 GMT -5
Carm wants to build and develop a team. The new paradigm is build a team every year. Long-term development is history. Your only guaranteed roster is the one THIS YEAR. This is especially true with unlimited transfers. You can take a few projects in slots 11-13. Everyone else needs to be competing for time. Sorry if that bums some kids (and our coach) out. Good points, but come on, the league is still the weakest it's been in 10+ years. It really is. Also, JD MISSED his window to go to a better league during/after the Fran years given our GREAT FANBASE AND ARENA. DISTURBING.
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Post by mjs72 on Feb 2, 2024 15:49:51 GMT -5
I think posters saying Tekin and Gribben are numbers 10 & 11 off the bench on a good team or that we have only D2 talent are being unfrair. I don't know why Carm didn't/couldn't get more out of the portal but I think he thought ME2 and especially Brayln Smith were D1 ready. Smith was supposed to be a great shooter.
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Post by $cott on Feb 2, 2024 17:16:08 GMT -5
I think posters saying Tekin and Gribben are numbers 10 & 11 off the bench on a good team or that we have only D2 talent are being unfrair. I don't know why Carm didn't/couldn't get more out of the portal but I think he thought ME2 and especially Brayln Smith were D1 ready. Smith was supposed to be a great shooter. I think if you are roster building you are bringing guys like Tekin and Gribben in to be #10 & #11 and more likely they wind up #8 or #9 through injuries, transfers, disappointments, raw freshmen, etc. But let's look at the recent #8 and #9 from the 20 win Siena teams and see how many guys you would have played Tekin and Gribben over. 2019-2020 - Sammy Friday & Kyle Young 2015-2016 - Evan Fisher & Imoh Silas 2013-2014 - Maurice White & Javion Ogunyemi 2009-2010 - Owen Wignot & Kyle Griffin 2008-2009 - Owen Wignot & Kyle Downey 2007-2008 - Ryan Rossiter & Clarence Jackson 2006-2007 - Corey Magee & Mike Beers 2002-2003 - Brent Sniezyk & Paul Williams 2000-2001 - Michael Buhrman & Austin Andrews 1999-2000 - Micheal Buhrman & Prosper Karangwa 1998-1999 - Isaiah Stewart & Dwayne Archbold I don't see one single team that they would be #8 and #9 on and a lot more they would be #10 and #11 on than #9 and #10.
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Post by mjs72 on Feb 3, 2024 7:04:07 GMT -5
Can't disagree with you Scott.
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Post by hardwood on Feb 3, 2024 7:12:00 GMT -5
I think posters saying Tekin and Gribben are numbers 10 & 11 off the bench on a good team or that we have only D2 talent are being unfrair. I don't know why Carm didn't/couldn't get more out of the portal but I think he thought ME2 and especially Brayln Smith were D1 ready. Smith was supposed to be a great shooter. ME2 is good as long as he can get near the hoop but that’s his game. If he had an outside shot 👍
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Post by glen on Feb 3, 2024 7:53:35 GMT -5
Gio is a decent MAAC big. Aside from Burns he's the only one we've had in forever that throws it down. Does he have a mid-range? Not much but if you can't make use of a 6'11" 260# athletic center then I don't know what to say. Gribben is #2 in blocked shots in the league. That isn't a horrible front-court. Actually, it's better than many that Siena has had.
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Post by JK on Feb 3, 2024 8:13:53 GMT -5
The "good" pieces of this team can be really good. The "bad" pieces are player projects. The balance of these things is terrible. Teams like Siena can't build with a "good young core" anymore. Those players are hitting the portal and cashing in on their talent. Can't blame them for that. All the teams in D1 are "playing under the same rules", but schools without the cash to buy players are at a significant disadvantage. Carm has found some good talent (Ok, I admit I can't say for sure who is responsible for the "good" talent, I am just laying this at Carm's feet because he is responsible for hiring assistants to help him with his weak areas and perform certain tasks) but missing on the "project players" leaves a lot of holes talent wise on the roster. Also, the game plans are not very innovative (I just see a lot of pass the ball around the perimeter with little player movement) and things like the in-bound plays are horrific. Some of this is coaching, some of it is execution. IS Carm expecting too much from some of the players? Not all the player's talent ceiling is the same. May be he completely over estimated the amount of talent he was bringing in and/or some of the players are not reaching to that ceiling??? Starting Winters in the Rider game was really interesting. It says a lot when you have a walk-on as part of your starting 5. Not really sure WHAT is says, but there is a whole lot that can be read into it.
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Post by glen on Feb 3, 2024 8:36:38 GMT -5
Starting a walk-on doesn't say anything good. He didn't just start to make a point. He played 27 minutes. That says a lot more than starting him. I'll add that while he wasn't worse than anyone else, he wasn't markedly better. Not sure what Carm was going for but my inferences: 1. Coach is desperately searching for answers and thought why not? 2. I'm running out of starters. Is Winters really the sub for Eley? 3. He's the best available ... even compared to scholarship recruits 4. Maybe the plan was to start Winters then sit him but when Zek didn't come out in the 2nd, the hand was forced?
None of that is good. I remember Fran benching a starter or 2 but it was for a few minutes to make a point. I think Edwin got to practice late or something. In any case, it wasn't a game-long thing.
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Post by orange77 on Feb 3, 2024 9:06:32 GMT -5
Starting a walk-on doesn't say anything good. He didn't just start to make a point. He played 27 minutes. That says a lot more than starting him. I'll add that while he wasn't worse than anyone else, he wasn't markedly better. Not sure what Carm was going for but my inferences: 1. Coach is desperately searching for answers and thought why not? 2. I'm running out of starters. Is Winters really the sub for Eley? 3. He's the best available ... even compared to scholarship recruits 4. Maybe the plan was to start Winters then sit him but when Zek didn't come out in the 2nd, the hand was forced? None of that is good. I remember Fran benching a starter or 2 but it was for a few minutes to make a point. I think Edwin got to practice late or something. In any case, it wasn't a game-long thing. Carm has to be desperate, but I'm not sure why Winters started over Courtney. He did have 2 assists and only 1 TO (vs 0 assists and 3 TOs), so maybe that was a plus. But you just can't win games when you have only 2 players make more than 1 basket.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 3, 2024 21:54:43 GMT -5
Starting a walk-on doesn't say anything good. He didn't just start to make a point. He played 27 minutes. That says a lot more than starting him. I'll add that while he wasn't worse than anyone else, he wasn't markedly better. Not sure what Carm was going for but my inferences: 1. Coach is desperately searching for answers and thought why not? 2. I'm running out of starters. Is Winters really the sub for Eley? 3. He's the best available ... even compared to scholarship recruits 4. Maybe the plan was to start Winters then sit him but when Zek didn't come out in the 2nd, the hand was forced? None of that is good. I remember Fran benching a starter or 2 but it was for a few minutes to make a point. I think Edwin got to practice late or something. In any case, it wasn't a game-long thing. Carm has to be desperate, but I'm not sure why Winters started over Courtney. He did have 2 assists and only 1 TO (vs 0 assists and 3 TOs), so maybe that was a plus. But you just can't win games when you have only 2 players make more than 1 basket. Courteny had the flu all week it was reported, so Winters started. Hard to believe we are justifying walk ons getting 25-30 min a game! lol wow, have we hit a new low.
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