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Post by SIENA1971 on Aug 27, 2022 16:09:12 GMT -5
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Post by OneIndian on Aug 27, 2022 16:23:50 GMT -5
Shooting outside of Eley was horrendous.
Im not taking these 3 games too seriously, it was basically nice to get the kids playing together and build some chemistry. Beyond that, it’s hard to tell much from these 3 events.
However, I’m sticking to my initial (early) observation & still think we have a couple glaring holes & didn’t recruit well enough to capitalize on Billups McCollum and Stormo. In this transfer happy environment you can’t squander opportunities.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Aug 27, 2022 17:23:26 GMT -5
For reference on the level of competition here: Kenny Hasbrouck used to play for this team.
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Post by musicman on Aug 27, 2022 17:26:29 GMT -5
Shooting outside of Eley was horrendous. Im not taking these 3 games too seriously, it was basically nice to get the kids playing together and build some chemistry. Beyond that, it’s hard to tell much from these 3 events. However, I’m sticking to my initial (early) observation & still think we have a couple glaring holes & didn’t recruit well enough to capitalize on Billups McCollum and Stormo. In this transfer happy environment you can’t squander opportunities. This I agree on.
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Post by $cott on Aug 27, 2022 17:47:07 GMT -5
Never got to see Birgisson in any of the games but box scores haven't been pretty.. For those that watched did you see anything from him?
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Post by indian82 on Aug 28, 2022 16:55:14 GMT -5
Can somebody help me here. I thought I heard this. (Just saw GS post confirming some.)
Was this a pro team? One on which one of our all-time greats (Kenny Hasbrouk) played for a period of time? And have they been playing for some time together or was this just their third game as a group too?
If that is true, does it really make sense to get all upset over the third game (second in two days) in a foreign country on a whirlwind, exciting 10 day vacation with apparently just one practice? Seems to me one of the biggest objectives of this trip was to practice formally beforehand, see our new guys play together and bond with each other.
Since we came back with no injuries and if these guys got to play together, bond with each other (on & off the court) and had a once in a lifetime adventure, then I think this was a major success! Let's let them get back, rest & gear up for the season.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Aug 28, 2022 18:46:05 GMT -5
All three teams were pro teams… though obviously there are vastly different levels.
The team we played yesterday was in Serie A2. That’s the second division in Italy and has legit good players from America that come through, in addition to strong European players. As mentioned, Hasbrouck was on this team once, and this team just signed Miami’s best player from last year who led them to the Elite Eight.
The team we played Friday was in Serie B. That’s the third division. The lower you go, the less likely you are to be able to afford to sign American players. From what I seemed to gather, the Crema team was mostly older guys, all from Italy.
The team we played last week, Stella Azzurra was in Serie C. That’s the fourth division. They had mostly young, developmental talent and obviously lost in similar fashion to several D1 teams ranging from Virginia to Elon.
Based on that, things did go essentially how you’d expect.
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Post by Sienafan on Aug 28, 2022 20:34:43 GMT -5
One would expect a Serie A2 level team will easily beat most D1 teams if not rout them. In addition to European talent, they usually have a compliment of top former American college players who don't make the NBA.
It thus follows that the outcome of the third game is not something that should give rise to any concern. Now, had they lost to that first team that everyone else has blown out by laughable margins, then I'd be concerned. That team after all had just lost to a team of American high school players in their game prior to playing the game Saints. But alas, Siena performed the same as everyone else against them.
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Post by saints15 on Aug 28, 2022 21:13:25 GMT -5
One would expect a Serie A2 level team will easily beat most D1 teams if not rout them. In addition to European talent, they usually have a compliment of top former American college players who don't make the NBA. It thus follows that the outcome of the third game is not something that should give rise to any concern. Now, had they lost to that first team that everyone else has blown out by laughable margins, then I'd be concerned. That team after all had just lost to a team of American high school players in their game prior to playing the game Saints. But alas, Siena performed the same as everyone else against them. I agree you don’t want to get carried away with the results, W’s/L’s, but you do want to use these kinds of games to learn about your team and players. I think what we learned is that Eley is going to play a big roll, Gribben may be a serviceable backup and could develop. But on the downside we have no backup PG and an injury or foul trouble with JM and you can throw the season/game out the window. Other than JM And Eley we have no 3 pt shooting. We need Owens to recover and be a contributor because there doesn’t seem to be much quality depth. By December we may be hoping Carm can re-recruit Gaines.
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Post by Sienafan on Aug 28, 2022 21:44:32 GMT -5
One would expect a Serie A2 level team will easily beat most D1 teams if not rout them. In addition to European talent, they usually have a compliment of top former American college players who don't make the NBA. It thus follows that the outcome of the third game is not something that should give rise to any concern. Now, had they lost to that first team that everyone else has blown out by laughable margins, then I'd be concerned. That team after all had just lost to a team of American high school players in their game prior to playing the game Saints. But alas, Siena performed the same as everyone else against them. I agree you don’t want to get carried away with the results, W’s/L’s, but you do want to use these kinds of games to learn about your team and players. I think what we learned is that Eley is going to play a big roll, Gribben may be a serviceable backup and could develop. But on the downside we have no backup PG and an injury or foul trouble with JM and you can throw the season/game out the window. Other than JM And Eley we have no 3 pt shooting. We need Owens to recover and be a contributor because there doesn’t seem to be much quality depth. By December we may be hoping Carm can re-recruit Gaines. Agree on Eley and Gribben. Disagree on the rest. Tekin is no Doremus Bennerman, but it's a bit premature to declare him not a capable backup 3 games into his career. He's also no Georges Darwiche - he's got speed and looked to me like he can contribute some minutes at the 1. They just need him to not bog down the offense and turn the ball over in year 1. Billups has a newly surgically repaired hand, so we'll see how his shooting improves. Coyle and Courtney are also shooters. If they get Owens back, there's a good complement of guys who can hit the 3. Will they all be stars? No. But that doesn't mean they can't contribute. I think this recruiting class will produce at least one other besides Eley that impresses in year one before it's all said and done. Carm played everyone - sometimes in odd combinations - to see what everyone can do in a game at this point. It's August. There's a long way to go before these guys are ready. I think he'll put it all together by November. He's given us no reason to distrust his judgment in 3 seasons, never finishing worse than 3rd. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt until given a reason to feel otherwise.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Aug 29, 2022 9:38:15 GMT -5
One would expect a Serie A2 level team will easily beat most D1 teams if not rout them. In addition to European talent, they usually have a compliment of top former American college players who don't make the NBA. It thus follows that the outcome of the third game is not something that should give rise to any concern. Now, had they lost to that first team that everyone else has blown out by laughable margins, then I'd be concerned. That team after all had just lost to a team of American high school players in their game prior to playing the game Saints. But alas, Siena performed the same as everyone else against them. I agree you don’t want to get carried away with the results, W’s/L’s, but you do want to use these kinds of games to learn about your team and players. I think what we learned is that Eley is going to play a big roll, Gribben may be a serviceable backup and could develop. But on the downside we have no backup PG and an injury or foul trouble with JM and you can throw the season/game out the window. Other than JM And Eley we have no 3 pt shooting. We need Owens to recover and be a contributor because there doesn’t seem to be much quality depth. By December we may be hoping Carm can re-recruit Gaines. Well IF Platek, Coyle and Owens cant shot the 3, why are they on the team?
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Post by $cott on Aug 29, 2022 10:19:02 GMT -5
I agree you don’t want to get carried away with the results, W’s/L’s, but you do want to use these kinds of games to learn about your team and players. I think what we learned is that Eley is going to play a big roll, Gribben may be a serviceable backup and could develop. But on the downside we have no backup PG and an injury or foul trouble with JM and you can throw the season/game out the window. Other than JM And Eley we have no 3 pt shooting. We need Owens to recover and be a contributor because there doesn’t seem to be much quality depth. By December we may be hoping Carm can re-recruit Gaines. Well IF Platek, Coyle and Owens cant shot the 3, why are they on the team? Platek is on the team for a lot of other reasons than shooting the 3. He's had 170 3 point attempts in college and shot it at a 30% clip. If shooting the 3 was the only thing he did then he probably wouldn't be on the team. He can do so much more and even backup the point if we need him to but we should not be counting on him as a 3 point sharpshooter. Coyle is a walk on so not sure how he even factors in. Won't matter if Owens can shoot the 3 if we never see him on the court which is looking increasingly likely.
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Post by musicman on Aug 29, 2022 12:34:21 GMT -5
I agree you don’t want to get carried away with the results, W’s/L’s, but you do want to use these kinds of games to learn about your team and players. I think what we learned is that Eley is going to play a big roll, Gribben may be a serviceable backup and could develop. But on the downside we have no backup PG and an injury or foul trouble with JM and you can throw the season/game out the window. Other than JM And Eley we have no 3 pt shooting. We need Owens to recover and be a contributor because there doesn’t seem to be much quality depth. By December we may be hoping Carm can re-recruit Gaines. Well IF Platek, Coyle and Owens cant shot the 3, why are they on the team? I don't know how many people have seen Platek shoot in the past. We would like to see better than 30% but if used properly, I think he can improve on that by quite a bit. Granted, he doesn't have quickness but I would love to have an aggressive offense that utilized him (catch and shoot), stepping into his shot facing the hoop.
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Post by Sienafan on Aug 29, 2022 13:03:39 GMT -5
Well IF Platek, Coyle and Owens cant shot the 3, why are they on the team? Platek is on the team for a lot of other reasons than shooting the 3. He's had 170 3 point attempts in college and shot it at a 30% clip. If shooting the 3 was the only thing he did then he probably wouldn't be on the team. He can do so much more and even backup the point if we need him to but we should not be counting on him as a 3 point sharpshooter. Coyle is a walk on so not sure how he even factors in. Won't matter if Owens can shoot the 3 if we never see him on the court which is looking increasingly likely. Coyle is a walk-on his first year and will be a scholarship player the rest - just like all-league player Jordan King was. Coyle had both the offers and the NERR ranking that establishes he's a legit D1 level player before a freak long-term injury derailed his career and recruitment. I think it's time to drop the mantra that he's not a division 1 player. Platek is the 3/4 star high-major transfer everyone believes Siena should be recruiting every season. Inserted into the starting lineup and fully healthy, I expect he will be an impact player for Siena this season. He had a good showing in Italy. I wouldn't read too much into his shooting stats in college so far. He never really got any consistent run in UNC and his first season at Siena ended abruptly. He's had several 2-2 or 2-3 games shooting the three in his career when he's gotten quality minutes. That's all Siena needs from him. Eley is working his way into the starting lineup. He could have an all-rookie team type of season. Owens is a bit of an enigma. What exactly did that dude do to his knee that it still won't heal after a year away from the game? He's got 3 months to get right. We'll see what happens. If he doesn't play for Siena this season, he never will.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Aug 29, 2022 13:20:39 GMT -5
It’s probably worth noting re: all the Coyle buzz that Mason Courtney got substantially more run than Coyle during Italy. Could be position-related given we were guard-poor on the trip without Javian.
Doesn’t mean Coyle can’t become something or won’t play this year… but Carm allocated those minutes elsewhere during Italy.
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