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Post by knicksaint on Apr 19, 2021 21:11:54 GMT -5
I am not in favor of holding scholarships. I think the mid-year transfer will be non-existent because the first-time transfer will have to sit out second semester. I have not read anything to indicate that the rule that prevented Elijah Burns from playing immediately upon his transfer has been repealed.
That having been said, the staff needs to feel that anyone they bring in at this point will improve the team. I agree that the needs that exist are a four with size who can put the ball on the floor and a PG who is good from 3. The stats on Brendan Barry show not only the ability to shoot 45% from 3 but also a 2:1 assist to turnover ratio. Give me him or former commit Devon Baker and EJ Anosike or someone like him and I would be very happy.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 19, 2021 21:56:05 GMT -5
The two positions we've talked addressing (PG and PF) are currently maned by Carpenter and Golson. I like them, and think they'll be good players, but we're not a team rebuilding to get to the top of the league. We ARE the top of the league and now with transfers crippling us, we need to STAY ON TOP. Staying there with talented 5th year kids at those positions, while our young kids grow up, is the best way to ensure us competing with Iona.
No Curry types, we're talking kids (actually 5th year men) that should/could start. THEN, in '21-'22, after this transfer craziness slows down, I can live with Carpenter and McCollum at the point, and Golson with a prized recruit at PF.
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PG--Carpenter, McCollum 2G--Rogers, Owens SF--Johnson, Billups PF--Golson, RECRUIT C---Stormo?/Young
That '21-'22 team loses: Gaines, Hopkins, Arrington and the 2 kids we bought in late. So we'd have 4 scholarships (hoping Stormo stayed) where a whole front line (SF, PF and C) would be needed.
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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 19, 2021 23:45:16 GMT -5
Fill the spots but only with can’t miss/difference makers not fillers. I’ll be surprised if they use the 14th spot due to $$. No one is transferring out after July 1st as they would have to sit out next year. Once that hits the roster will be pretty much settled outside of injuries or “issues” that result in someone being asked to leave. Just my 2 cents. What $$$? Is really doesn’t cost us anything other than food or any insurance on players. One more kid in a classroom is free as is room I agree and have been saying this in the past. The “true costs” to provide a Siena education (to scholarship players) is materially less than the tuition and room & board Siena charges others. I agree, there’s virtually zero “cost” in as far as the 13 players in classes. The only “costs” Siena will have is room, board and any meals.
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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 19, 2021 23:49:09 GMT -5
What $$$? Is really doesn’t cost us anything other than food or any insurance on players. One more kid in a classroom is free as is room Not exactly sure where you are going, but at the least that's tuition, room and board that would theoretically be paid by someone else, no? Not necessarily. Siena has room in classes and offers discounts on tuition on a needs basis; so they don’t always get top dollar. Now, if Siena were to win a few games consistently in the NCAA Tournament; then they could be picky and choose from the vast number of candidates wanting to enroll in Siena (I.e., ones who could afford to pay their full ride).
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Post by IndianSaint on Apr 19, 2021 23:57:17 GMT -5
You are assuming an opportunity cost which I am not. It doesn’t cost anyone to put one more body in a classroom and I guarantee Siena is not rejecting anyone because we have one more hoop player. I am sure they have a room available as well. Really the only true our the door costs to the school are food fans any medical costs associated with the player being there. Program has a budget that includes what they have to pay the school for the student to attend. If you think that 57k plus, real or paper, is getting written off ... you are crazy. At the very least, Carm is going to have to argue to get a 14th kid and, I’d they do, he better be worth it. That said, I don’t think the roster is set yet and would not be surprised by at least one more kid leaving the program especially after they leave before the summer sessions. You can’t compare Siena’s “cost” to the $50+k they could charge other students in enrolling. It doesn’t “cost” Siena hardly anything to offer a finite number of scholarships to athletes. People confuse “cost” with “revenue” for non-scholarship students. The only “costs” Siena is out would be food for the scholarship players. The teachers already earn a salary and the rooms are probably already paid for by now. All they’re loosing is the “potential” of a certain amount of revenue that would have gone to non-scholarship players.
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 20, 2021 0:26:50 GMT -5
We all know we have 2 schollys left, and theres some debate whether we should use them or not. I vote YES, after seeing how much it cost us last year with departures and injuries. Why would you only put 4 bullets in a 6 shooter? We need all hands on deck, and options galore. Here's my starting 5 and depth chart TODAY with 12 players: PG: Carpenter, McCollum 2G: Hopkins, Rogers, Owens SF: Gaines, Billups PF: Golson, Johnson C: Stormo, Young, Arrington This 12 man group seems light on athletic size, and a lead guard with experience. Said it before, give me Brandan Barry (5th year) and EJ Anosike (5th year) and bring on the Evil Empire. Stormo is the only locked in stater right now. I don't think Hopkins is going to start on this team. He's at a significant size disadvantage - and he's not even a PG. He and McCollum are the only players shorter than 6'4. In think he's going to slide into the 6 man role - the steady veteran presence first off the bench. I agree barring a stud transfer acquisition, Carpenter has the inside track on the starting 1 job with McCollum backing him up - that should be a nice 1-2 punch at that spot. I predict Rogers and Gaines will be shoo-ins for starting jobs. That leaves Golson, Billups, and Owens to battle for the remaining starting spot. There will be plenty of minutes to go around for the top 10 if Carm picks up the pace as originally planned. Arrington and Johnson have the look of role players to me. I don't expect them to be in the playing rotation most games absent foul trouble or injury. I do think the two remaining spots should be filled - but only if an impact player like Anosike is coming. Carm will use them on a player like that, but may hold it if it's not an impact recruit. Problem is if you fill both, then you've got 4 unhappy players riding the pine instead of 2. I think this team has some solid talent in the frosh and sophomore classes. I want to keep them happy - and thus keep them.
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Post by nolesaint on Apr 20, 2021 5:40:15 GMT -5
It is an interesting damned day if you do and damned if you don’t situation. I say fill them. Recruits know there should be 13 scholarship players and that this year there could be more. So it’s not like the staff would be springing something new on them. After all the resources put into the program, If there are more injuries and the staff doesn’t have a full roster people will rightfully be looking to hold someone accountable. So who to recruit - someone like Barry who can really shoot the 3 and a stretch 4 to further spread the floor or a true rim protector. Of course if the staff finds a shoe in 1st teamed or POY type player at any position they should take him and work to align the rest of the players accordingly.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 20, 2021 7:46:04 GMT -5
We all know we have 2 schollys left, and theres some debate whether we should use them or not. I vote YES, after seeing how much it cost us last year with departures and injuries. Why would you only put 4 bullets in a 6 shooter? We need all hands on deck, and options galore. Here's my starting 5 and depth chart TODAY with 12 players: PG: Carpenter, McCollum 2G: Hopkins, Rogers, Owens SF: Gaines, Billups PF: Golson, Johnson C: Stormo, Young, Arrington This 12 man group seems light on athletic size, and a lead guard with experience. Said it before, give me Brandan Barry (5th year) and EJ Anosike (5th year) and bring on the Evil Empire. Stormo is the only locked in stater right now. I don't think Hopkins is going to start on this team. He's at a significant size disadvantage - and he's not even a PG. He and McCollum are the only players shorter than 6'4. In think he's going to slide into the 6 man role - the steady veteran presence first off the bench. I agree barring a stud transfer acquisition, Carpenter has the inside track on the starting 1 job with McCollum backing him up - that should be a nice 1-2 punch at that spot. I predict Rogers and Gaines will be shoo-ins for starting jobs. That leaves Golson, Billups, and Owens to battle for the remaining starting spot. There will be plenty of minutes to go around for the top 10 if Carm picks up the pace as originally planned. Arrington and Johnson have the look of role players to me. I don't expect them to be in the playing rotation most games absent foul trouble or injury. I do think the two remaining spots should be filled - but only if an impact player like Anosike is coming. Carm will use them on a player like that, but may hold it if it's not an impact recruit. Problem is if you fill both, then you've got 4 unhappy players riding the pine instead of 2. I think this team has some solid talent in the frosh and sophomore classes. I want to keep them happy - and thus keep them. Unfortunately there’s no guarantee of keeping anyone happy in this transfer happy climate, the minute a player thinks he can play “up” he’s most likely gone (thanks to the no sit ruling). Strategy is win now, & win like there’s no tomorrow!
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Post by indian82 on Apr 20, 2021 7:49:38 GMT -5
Stormo is the only locked in stater right now. I don't think Hopkins is going to start on this team. He's at a significant size disadvantage - and he's not even a PG. He and McCollum are the only players shorter than 6'4. In think he's going to slide into the 6 man role - the steady veteran presence first off the bench. I agree barring a stud transfer acquisition, Carpenter has the inside track on the starting 1 job with McCollum backing him up - that should be a nice 1-2 punch at that spot. I predict Rogers and Gaines will be shoo-ins for starting jobs. That leaves Golson, Billups, and Owens to battle for the remaining starting spot. There will be plenty of minutes to go around for the top 10 if Carm picks up the pace as originally planned. Arrington and Johnson have the look of role players to me. I don't expect them to be in the playing rotation most games absent foul trouble or injury. I do think the two remaining spots should be filled - but only if an impact player like Anosike is coming. Carm will use them on a player like that, but may hold it if it's not an impact recruit. Problem is if you fill both, then you've got 4 unhappy players riding the pine instead of 2. I think this team has some solid talent in the frosh and sophomore classes. I want to keep them happy - and thus keep them. Unfortunately there’s no guarantee of keeping anyone happy in this transfers happy climate, the minute a player thinks he can play “up” he’s most likely gone (thanks to the no sit ruling). Strategy is win now, & win like there’s no tomorrow! Yeah that ruling is sad. I suppose there's still a chance it will not be voted in, but not likely since a committee has recommended it. 4/28 I think is the final vote.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Apr 20, 2021 9:28:24 GMT -5
I’m definitely pro-adding at least one more, but for those making the depth charts.... please don’t sleep on Jayce Johnson. He’s going to play a lot. They really like him. He’s a big, big kid who started for three years in the CUSA. Can handle the ball and get downhill. He’s going to play a lot.
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Post by class94 on Apr 20, 2021 10:15:52 GMT -5
I’m definitely pro-adding at least one more, but for those making the depth charts.... please don’t sleep on Jayce Johnson. He’s going to play a lot. They really like him. He’s a big, big kid who started for three years in the CUSA. Can handle the ball and get downhill. He’s going to play a lot. On paper JJ reminds me a lot of Manny. + athlete who played football and didn’t “specialize” in basketball until he went to college = steep improvement curve in college career. A little shorter, a little more athletic. Probably won’t rebound as well but slightly better offensive game? What’s not to like there? Honesty, the only problem I see is the similarity with Gaines. Either could be a great option for undersized 4 but with Golson there too (and possibly a new recruit as well), not enough minutes there for both....and neither seem to be good enough shooters to play a ton of minutes at he 3.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Apr 20, 2021 10:21:50 GMT -5
I’m definitely pro-adding at least one more, but for those making the depth charts.... please don’t sleep on Jayce Johnson. He’s going to play a lot. They really like him. He’s a big, big kid who started for three years in the CUSA. Can handle the ball and get downhill. He’s going to play a lot. On paper JJ reminds me a lot of Manny. + athlete who played football and didn’t “specialize” in basketball until he went to college = steep improvement curve in college career. A little shorter, a little more athletic. Probably won’t rebound as well but slightly better offensive game? What’s not to like there? Honesty, the only problem I see is the similarity with Gaines. Either could be a great option for undersized 4 but with Golson there too (and possibly a new recruit as well), not enough minutes there for both....and neither seem to be good enough shooters to play a ton of minutes at he 3. I think you could see AG at the 3 and Jayce at the 4... especially if we play more of a combo guard at point since Jayce was a PG in HS and is comfortable with the ball initiating some.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 20, 2021 10:26:03 GMT -5
I’m definitely pro-adding at least one more, but for those making the depth charts.... please don’t sleep on Jayce Johnson. He’s going to play a lot. They really like him. He’s a big, big kid who started for three years in the CUSA. Can handle the ball and get downhill. He’s going to play a lot. On paper JJ reminds me a lot of Manny. + athlete who played football and didn’t “specialize” in basketball until he went to college = steep improvement curve in college career. A little shorter, a little more athletic. Probably won’t rebound as well but slightly better offensive game? What’s not to like there? Honesty, the only problem I see is the similarity with Gaines. Either could be a great option for undersized 4 but with Golson there too (and possibly a new recruit as well), not enough minutes there for both....and neither seem to be good enough shooters to play a ton of minutes at he 3. He’s 50 ish % from the line so that’s a bit scary. Foul shots killed us vs Iona
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Post by Sienafan on Apr 20, 2021 11:31:12 GMT -5
I’m definitely pro-adding at least one more, but for those making the depth charts.... please don’t sleep on Jayce Johnson. He’s going to play a lot. They really like him. He’s a big, big kid who started for three years in the CUSA. Can handle the ball and get downhill. He’s going to play a lot. For a three year starter, Johnson's stats aren't great. He's not much of a scorer, and his minutes declined every year he was at MTS. His shooting from the line and from 3 is abysmal. I don't want to be a contrarian, but everything I see shouts "role player" to me. They've got guys his size coming who appear to have more upside. You've got Colby Rogers coming in, who's a proven scorer, and Taihland Owens, who is an elite shooter. Both are 6'5 as well. I can see Johnson getting time early due to his experience, but then potentially get supplanted later by better offensive players. This is a guy who is primarily a driver, who goes to the basket, gets fouled, and then misses half his free throws. In 3 years, his FT% has not improved - it's not likely to next season either.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Apr 20, 2021 11:40:29 GMT -5
I’m definitely pro-adding at least one more, but for those making the depth charts.... please don’t sleep on Jayce Johnson. He’s going to play a lot. They really like him. He’s a big, big kid who started for three years in the CUSA. Can handle the ball and get downhill. He’s going to play a lot. I think he'll play too, but not more than Golson. They might both get 20+ min a game, with one of them dropping to SF once in awhile when Gaines comes out. With what we have now, Golson might be one of our top 3pt shooters, (along with Hopkins and Rogers), that will get minutes. Im expecting Carpenter and Golson to make big sophomore jumps. They were recruited to replace Jalen and Manny. Time to shine. Put the work in this summer fellas!
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