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Post by gorvy on Apr 19, 2021 17:33:52 GMT -5
I can't believe this is even still a question. Never in favor of holding so of course I'd take an even stronger position now.
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Post by musicman on Apr 19, 2021 17:42:36 GMT -5
Well this isn’t last year. We have 12 legit ballers on the roster right now. With all respect to players like Harrison Curry and Bennett K, those guys were just not at the same level. It may be that Nick Hopkins, a valuable player at Belmont, is the worst player on this roster right now. Even if 2 or 3 players go down, we still have 9-10 legit ballers. I hope Carm does not fill those slots just to fill them with ok MAAC players. I’d rather leave them empty. As I’ve said, if he can find a real difference maker that wants to come, you grab him 100%. Just no need to bring in an average MAAC player. That doesn’t make us better and just impedes the development of talented frosh. It doesn't matter what year it is. You don't have a crystal ball nor can you predict what injuries can do happen or who could leave for a hundred different reasons. We have some knowledge about our roster but many unknowns seeing that this team has so many new faces. Chemistry, we will all be sitting at the edge of our seats waiting to see what that will be like. Carm won't have too many people defending him if we leave two scholarships unfilled and have a large number of injuries again. It won't help our record much just because the sub isn't a walk-on. |
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Post by hoopdad on Apr 19, 2021 17:45:54 GMT -5
That current 12 man group doesnt beat Iona IMO. Two more guys that are older and experienced would get us to where we need to be. I really worry about our perimeter shooting, and an athletic PF that likes to get his hands dirty inside. Only have to beat Iona once, in the MAAC Championship game. Iona is not that great where Siena can't knock them off once, not even close. This isn't Gonzaga, this is an Iona team that will be good but likely not even as good as the Niagara teams we had to beat back in the Fran days. While that may be true about Iona, the current Saints are not anywhere near to being as talented as Fran's best teams. If Carm can get more talent, go out and get it. |
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Post by class94 on Apr 19, 2021 17:54:40 GMT -5
I guess I just see it from a different perspective than most of you guys, I really like Nick Hopkins. I think he’s a valuable addition to our team. I’m glad Carm got him when he did and I’m glad he decided to stay another year. That said, adding another Nick Hopkins caliber player makes us worse IMO, rather than better. It would create more dissatisfaction with roles and playing time and impair development without significantly upgrading the product on the court. You think Carm won’t be blamed when AC or JM transfer next year because they hardly saw the court next season? 12 good players is more than enough. Again, if Carm can convince a 1st team all-MAAC caliber player to come, you take it and do the best job you can with player management. If not, you don’t add a body just to add a body....not when you have 12 good ones. AC posted an incredibly positive tweet welcoming the new transfers. HUGE kudos to him to accept them with such open arms without feeling threatened (or at least showing it). Adding any more may very well tilt those scales so if you do, better make sure you make it worth it.
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Post by $cott on Apr 19, 2021 17:59:27 GMT -5
If you can get two impact guys you absolutely take them. If you can't get impact guys you leave the one scholarship open and use the other on a grad school kid that is ok with being depth while working on his masters. No reason to reach on a guy that will potentially tie up a scholarship for multiple years.
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Post by bigsaintg on Apr 19, 2021 18:15:20 GMT -5
I guess I just see it from a different perspective than most of you guys, I really like Nick Hopkins. I think he’s a valuable addition to our team. I’m glad Carm got him when he did and I’m glad he decided to stay another year. That said, adding another Nick Hopkins caliber player makes us worse IMO, rather than better. It would create more dissatisfaction with roles and playing time and impair development without significantly upgrading the product on the court. You think Carm won’t be blamed when AC or JM transfer next year because they hardly saw the court next season? 12 good players is more than enough. Again, if Carm can convince a 1st team all-MAAC caliber player to come, you take it and do the best job you can with player management. If not, you don’t add a body just to add a body....not when you have 12 good ones. AC posted an incredibly positive tweet welcoming the new transfers. HUGE kudos to him to accept them with such open arms without feeling threatened (or at least showing it). Adding any more may very well tilt those scales so if you do, better make sure you make it worth it. I use to share this opinion about kids transferring but in reality half them seem to leave anyway so just go out and worry about winning this year and worry about reloading again Next year |
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Post by dacks on Apr 19, 2021 18:29:02 GMT -5
Agree, I used to think that keeping young and talented players happy with playing time was important. Our two starting guards playing 30 min a game just left though. We are in a whole new world - take all the talent you can get, no sense planning for next year anymore.
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Post by saints15 on Apr 19, 2021 18:53:13 GMT -5
We all know we have 2 schollys left, and theres some debate whether we should use them or not. I vote YES, after seeing how much it cost us last year with departures and injuries. Why would you only put 4 bullets in a 6 shooter? We need all hands on deck, and options galore. Here's my starting 5 and depth chart TODAY with 12 players: PG: Carpenter, McCollum 2G: Hopkins, Rogers, Owens SF: Gaines, Billups PF: Golson, Johnson C: Stormo, Young, Arrington This 12 man group seems light on athletic size, and a lead guard with experience. Said it before, give me Brandan Barry (5th year) and EJ Anosike (5th year) and bring on the Evil Empire. in todays landscape of college basketball.................covid, possible injuries, transfer rule.............you have to load up the roster to the max, you are really only playing for a 1 year window.........only strive for today, the traditional building for tomorrow may never exist anymore................and there is NO REASON, that with all the talent available in the portal, that Carm & staff couldn't find 2 more solid pieces to fill up the scholarshipts...............imho, if he doesn't, he is making a gigantic mistake, deep down he has to know that............... Agree with this 100%. The days of holding scholarships to balance classes, hoping for a mid year transfer, or waiting for something better are over. You will have kids leaving every year so you live for today and worry about the future later. Not saying you just take a body to fill the spot but with 1400 kids available I have to believe we can find 2 good ones that can contribute. |
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Post by indian82 on Apr 19, 2021 19:02:30 GMT -5
Simple. If Carm can find upgrades or even guys who can contribute in other maybe even more intangible ways, we should get them.
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Post by class94 on Apr 19, 2021 20:01:07 GMT -5
in todays landscape of college basketball.................covid, possible injuries, transfer rule.............you have to load up the roster to the max, you are really only playing for a 1 year window.........only strive for today, the traditional building for tomorrow may never exist anymore................and there is NO REASON, that with all the talent available in the portal, that Carm & staff couldn't find 2 more solid pieces to fill up the scholarshipts...............imho, if he doesn't, he is making a gigantic mistake, deep down he has to know that............... Agree with this 100%. The days of holding scholarships to balance classes, hoping for a mid year transfer, or waiting for something better are over. You will have kids leaving every year so you live for today and worry about the future later. Not saying you just take a body to fill the spot but with 1400 kids available I have to believe we can find 2 good ones that can contribute. Ok so by this logic (every player should be assumed to just stay one year), we should NEVER recruit a HS kid ever again. Not even freshman or sophomore transfers. Just Juniors, seniors and grad students. Start over completely every year. I don’t buy it. No thanks. |
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Post by hardwood on Apr 19, 2021 20:07:18 GMT -5
Agree, I used to think that keeping young and talented players happy with playing time was important. Our two starting guards playing 30 min a game just left though. We are in a whole new world - take all the talent you can get, no sense planning for next year anymore. This |
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Post by Quackman on Apr 19, 2021 20:11:45 GMT -5
Agree with this 100%. The days of holding scholarships to balance classes, hoping for a mid year transfer, or waiting for something better are over. You will have kids leaving every year so you live for today and worry about the future later. Not saying you just take a body to fill the spot but with 1400 kids available I have to believe we can find 2 good ones that can contribute. Ok so by this logic (every player should be assumed to just stay one year), we should NEVER recruit a HS kid ever again. Not even freshman or sophomore transfers. Just Juniors, seniors and grad students. Start over completely every year. I don’t buy it. No thanks. Jon Rothsein noted today that 23 if the 30 players who played in Final Four were part of their program in 19/20. I get that this is a new year and things have changed but when it comes right down to it,the more years a kid is in the program, the better the program will be. Pickett is a special case, he didn’t get the attention he deserved (or expected) out of high school but now is hearing from just about every big time program out there. You better believe that his high school, prep and aau coaches knew th interest level he would receive. It hurts but he is using the system like it is currently being used. Unless there are scores of mid major kids killing it at P5 conferences next year, there will be fewer top kids testing the transfer portal as they see guys that were stars in their league struggle when they move up. (Also knownas the Joe Cremo effect) |
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Post by Quackman on Apr 19, 2021 20:19:31 GMT -5
Not exactly sure where you are going, but at the least that's tuition, room and board that would theoretically be paid by someone else, no? You are assuming an opportunity cost which I am not. It doesn’t cost anyone to put one more body in a classroom and I guarantee Siena is not rejecting anyone because we have one more hoop player. I am sure they have a room available as well. Really the only true our the door costs to the school are food fans any medical costs associated with the player being there. Program has a budget that includes what they have to pay the school for the student to attend. If you think that 57k plus, real or paper, is getting written off ... you are crazy. At the very least, Carm is going to have to argue to get a 14th kid and, I’d they do, he better be worth it. That said, I don’t think the roster is set yet and would not be surprised by at least one more kid leaving the program especially after they leave before the summer sessions. |
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Post by gorvy on Apr 19, 2021 21:09:28 GMT -5
I could see not getting the 14th kid for budget reasons but the 13th kid needs to happen.
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Post by saints15 on Apr 19, 2021 21:10:35 GMT -5
Agree with this 100%. The days of holding scholarships to balance classes, hoping for a mid year transfer, or waiting for something better are over. You will have kids leaving every year so you live for today and worry about the future later. Not saying you just take a body to fill the spot but with 1400 kids available I have to believe we can find 2 good ones that can contribute. Ok so by this logic (every player should be assumed to just stay one year), we should NEVER recruit a HS kid ever again. Not even freshman or sophomore transfers. Just Juniors, seniors and grad students. Start over completely every year. I don’t buy it. No thanks. Who said anything about never recruiting a HS student again? The discussion was focused on using, or holding, the remaining 2 scholarships. If Carm can find 2 more Pickett’s then go get them (and with all these transfers available and the extra year given there might be more of them). But holding onto scholarships for next year makes no sense. |
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