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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 13:09:06 GMT -5
A 4-4 finish, depending on tie breakers, has a decent chance for 7th the way things are looking. Siena has already beaten Canisius...and still gets to play Rider..and Iona again.
As long as they split with the team tied with them in the standings ..the CC win could win them a tie breaker.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jan 31, 2018 13:10:18 GMT -5
I can tell you that .500 next yr with that described above is not where they want to be headed..............that was somewhat of the target goal for this yr after losing the 4 seniors.....................the leash is short now and maybe be really tight next yr if he is kept around.............. Right, financials could keep him around this year but then a potentially easy route to the 5 spot with even a only slight improvement could make the decision more difficult next year. That's all I'm saying. I go back and forth on the financial thing. The TUC has been very quiet the last few games. Even if Siena steals a few games Im not sure the interest really picks up and attendance crushes him. In many ways I feel like the damage is done and bringing him back would be a really big risk in terms of losing the fan base. Siena May not be in the best shape financially but I have to think the boosters will step up and pay a buyout if we are to believe reports that they hate JP.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 13:15:00 GMT -5
I go back and forth on the financial thing. The TUC has been very quiet the last few games. Even if Siena steals a few games Im not sure the interest really picks up and attendance crushes him. In many ways I feel like the damage is done and bringing him back would be a really big risk in terms of losing the fan base. Siena May not be in the best shape financially but I have to think the boosters will step up and pay a buyout if we are to believe reports that they hate JP. If boosters are leaving, I'm not sure they'll want to pony up money under the current circumstances. And, if D'Arg is really retiring, it could be too much transition for one year. Jimmy could get another year while the new AD potentially spends the year evaluating options. It would seem to me there's at least a 50/50 chance he'll be back next year.
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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 31, 2018 13:19:40 GMT -5
I can tell you that .500 next yr with that described above is not where they want to be headed..............that was somewhat of the target goal for this yr after losing the 4 seniors.....................the leash is short now and maybe be really tight next yr if he is kept around.............. Right, financials could keep him around this year but then a potentially easy route to the 5 spot with even a only slight improvement could make the decision more difficult next year. That's all I'm saying. All the shittiest coaches are losing key guys which could prevent them from improving. The typical PIG team coaches are the ones losing the most (aside from Marist). If Jimmy lands these kids and there's some excitement over them and they succeed in getting that 5 spot, you never know what the administration will do. If he fails next year again, he'd be gone either way, but I'm just putting this out there. He could, theoretically, make the decision difficult if they don't cut him loose this March. If Siena manages to finish 6th or 7th this year and he lands all that talent, the coaches will probably pick them 5th in preseason given where the rest of the teams are at. A lot of that will come down to Friday and the games vs. FF. and yet, keep this in mind..............Smithen, Degnan, Richard & Friday are all "likely" targets to hit the highway after this yr.........that leaves really only Fisher & Oduro as true frontcourt (Huerter can play but it is not what you want from the post, and Camper is somewhat of a wildcard who seems to have some potential but jury is out now), JP right now is not actively looking at that area for an upgrade per se...........so the movement in the standings might not be that much seeing as the remaining bigs have some problems in their overall game (unless Prince makes a RyRo jump)..........JP is in a difficult position, and he knows it..............
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Post by gorvy on Jan 31, 2018 13:21:51 GMT -5
Considering my admittedly unpopular voicing of Jimmy's strengths with regards to his rebounding and foul drawing strategy...I'm going to present an even more unpopular scenario which I'm not even sure that I want to hear about. I have a great condemnation for many of Jimmy's decisions however, I think he's a better overall coach than Sydney, Masiello, Maker, Casey, results wise Dunne, and maybe even Rice in the long term. While he may screw up his upside with bad decisions he's mostly a middler and the rebounding margin tends to keep them in a lot of games. Let's say, hypothetically speaking, that Siena surprises here on out fueled by rebounding margin as Horn and Richard return to the lineup and the rest of the PIG teams' inconsistency from game to game. And, as a result, Siena manages to fight its way to a 6th place finish because of this. A win vs. Manhattan puts them 1/2 game out of 6th. So Jimmy fights his way back to the coaches' poll finish....and then he lands Welch and Co. It IS plausable that with a potential overall depth upgrade at PG and better ballhawks it leads to a better team turnover margin, better overall defense, and the overall driving athletes closing the FT disparity gap that Siena could then surprise quite a bit next year and save Jimmy's job. As I delve deeper into the numbers and understand more WHY Siena isn't getting blown out, I can't help but wonder about this scenario a little bit. Maybe they'll continue suck the rest of the way and he won't get the chance. But, in the numbers and based on the style of the potential recruits, it seems possible to me. He could even still continue to screw up the scouting and gameplans quite a bit and find a way to get there. The rebound margin and drawing FTs could offer him that chance. The top 4 next year is looking like Rider, Iona, Canisius, Quinny...and they may still not be world beaters. Then there's potentially a big dropoff to the next tier. There's a BIG opening for team #5. Nobody wants to hear this, and I'd love to find a coach who is going to win us games instead of just a caretaker, but nobody is talking about this chance right now and I'm just throwing it out there to stir the pot a bit. . I could see this happening.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jan 31, 2018 13:24:05 GMT -5
I go back and forth on the financial thing. The TUC has been very quiet the last few games. Even if Siena steals a few games Im not sure the interest really picks up and attendance crushes him. In many ways I feel like the damage is done and bringing him back would be a really big risk in terms of losing the fan base. Siena May not be in the best shape financially but I have to think the boosters will step up and pay a buyout if we are to believe reports that they hate JP. If boosters are leaving, I'm not sure they'll want to pony up money under the current circumstances. And, if D'Arg is really retiring, it could be too much transition for one year. Jimmy could get another year while the new AD potentially spends the year evaluating options. It would seem to me there's at least a 50/50 chance he'll be back next year. I agree that there are a lot of factors, especially the D’Arg thing. If D’Arg is leaving, I doubt JP is out this year. Its very possible to me JP is back. I do think there is a question of whether coming in 7th matters with the fans not coming to games. The people with the big cash I think would pony up money to get JP out, but your point is valid. Should be interesting to say the least.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 13:25:50 GMT -5
Right, financials could keep him around this year but then a potentially easy route to the 5 spot with even a only slight improvement could make the decision more difficult next year. That's all I'm saying. All the shittiest coaches are losing key guys which could prevent them from improving. The typical PIG team coaches are the ones losing the most (aside from Marist). If Jimmy lands these kids and there's some excitement over them and they succeed in getting that 5 spot, you never know what the administration will do. If he fails next year again, he'd be gone either way, but I'm just putting this out there. He could, theoretically, make the decision difficult if they don't cut him loose this March. If Siena manages to finish 6th or 7th this year and he lands all that talent, the coaches will probably pick them 5th in preseason given where the rest of the teams are at. A lot of that will come down to Friday and the games vs. FF. and yet, keep this in mind..............Smithen, Degnan, Richard & Friday are all "likely" targets to hit the highway after this yr.........that leaves really only Fisher & Oduro as true frontcourt (Huerter can play but it is not what you want from the post, and Camper is somewhat of a wildcard who seems to have some potential but jury is out now), JP right now is not actively looking at that area for an upgrade per se...........so the movement in the standings might not be that much seeing as the remaining bigs have some problems in their overall game (unless Prince makes a RyRo jump)..........JP is in a difficult position, and he knows it.............. On the bright side, in that scenario, he'd HAVE to play small with only 2 bigs. However, if 4 scholarships open...most likely one of those is going to someone who can legit play at least the 4 and is 6-7+. Some places say Welch is closer to 6-6 and the way he theoretically rebounds on paper, he might be able play the 4 and really upgrade it. He seems a better passer than a Shivers so that could be an interesting option in this league.
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Post by rickyp on Jan 31, 2018 13:28:46 GMT -5
I've always thought the same KK but the scariest thing is does he switch his style of play to fit that roster.That's the million dollar question he hasn't this year.And he had plenty of time to do that.He is his own worst enemy,look what he did after the Quinnipiac game.Didn't start Prince he has a bad game excuses for him goes and says that was a bad experiment.WTF he didn't do sh##! he shouldn't have started last game.That right there is what confuses your team a guy not playing with effort and the coach pretty much makes a excuse for him.That's why i believe even if he gets some of these guy's he will not change.Flex #2 will be strong next year with 2bigs
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 13:39:27 GMT -5
I've always thought the same KK but the scariest thing is does he switch his style of play to fit that roster.That's the million dollar question he hasn't this year.And he had plenty of time to do that.He is his own worst enemy,look what he did after the Quinnipiac game.Didn't start Prince he has a bad game excuses for him goes and says that was a bad experiment.WTF he didn't do sh##! he shouldn't have started last game.That right there is what confuses your team a guy not playing with effort and the coach pretty much makes a excuse for him.That's why i believe even if he gets some of these guy's he will not change.Flex #2 will be strong next year with 2bigs That Quinny game pissed me off something fierce with mostly his defensive strategy. But, yes, the Prince over Friday thing is also a recurring issue. There are a lot of bad decisions made by coaches across this league. It's not just Jimmy. Siena fans are very vocal but this stuff exists across the board. The fact is, by hitting the trail super hard the way he seems to be now, he could recover and way outdo a lot of these guys...and still have enough room left over to disappoint us all again in the end.
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Post by Quackman on Jan 31, 2018 13:45:22 GMT -5
I've always thought the same KK but the scariest thing is does he switch his style of play to fit that roster.That's the million dollar question he hasn't this year.And he had plenty of time to do that.He is his own worst enemy,look what he did after the Quinnipiac game.Didn't start Prince he has a bad game excuses for him goes and says that was a bad experiment.WTF he didn't do sh##! he shouldn't have started last game.That right there is what confuses your team a guy not playing with effort and the coach pretty much makes a excuse for him.That's why i believe even if he gets some of these guy's he will not change.Flex #2 will be strong next year with 2bigs Okay, maybe I'm an outlier (I usually am) but I don't think the roster necessarily lends itself to playing 4 guards/wings. I don't think there is enough scoring punch in the guards they have within the program. Penn, Horn, Richard and Shivers can be viable scoring options ... who else do they have? If they are going to truly play 4/1, they need a wing who can defend big, rebound and provide some scoring punch. At this point, neither Huerter or Camper consistently provide that and I don't think Shivers or Smithen are big enough. Perhaps if Nico was still there but let's face it, he was half way out the door by mid December. The roster is flawed, no doubt, and JP is certainly responsible for it. But especially with Richard and/or Horn out, they have to play big and hope to win ugly. They just don't have enough offense to play otherwise. Just my 2 cents.
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Post by rickyp on Jan 31, 2018 13:46:31 GMT -5
Hell if i can sit here daydreaming about that type of team next year.What in the hell is he doing i have a offensive system already and 3 out of bounds plays.And a possible rotation why ooh why Jimmy has you failed me why.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2018 13:52:08 GMT -5
I've always thought the same KK but the scariest thing is does he switch his style of play to fit that roster.That's the million dollar question he hasn't this year.And he had plenty of time to do that.He is his own worst enemy,look what he did after the Quinnipiac game.Didn't start Prince he has a bad game excuses for him goes and says that was a bad experiment.WTF he didn't do sh##! he shouldn't have started last game.That right there is what confuses your team a guy not playing with effort and the coach pretty much makes a excuse for him.That's why i believe even if he gets some of these guy's he will not change.Flex #2 will be strong next year with 2bigs Okay, maybe I'm an outlier (I usually am) but I don't think the roster necessarily lends itself to playing 4 guards/wings. I don't think there is enough scoring punch in the guards they have within the program. Penn, Horn, Richard and Shivers can be viable scoring options ... who else do they have? If they are going to truly play 4/1, they need a wing who can defend big, rebound and provide some scoring punch. At this point, neither Huerter or Camper consistently provide that and I don't think Shivers or Smithen are big enough. Perhaps if Nico was still there but let's face it, he was half way out the door by mid December. The roster is flawed, no doubt, and JP is certainly responsible for it. But especially with Richard and/or Horn out, they have to play big and hope to win ugly. They just don't have enough offense to play otherwise. Just my 2 cents. Of course, without both Richard and Horn...you just make do with what you got. But, with them, they should be playing small more...even without Nico. Penn, Richard, Horn, Shivers, Smithen Ideally, I believe 4 of those guys should always be out there...and when not...Heurter. Penn, Smithen, and Shivers are all plus rebounding guards...and Horn is at least average. They can get away with it.
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Post by greengold4ever on Jan 31, 2018 13:54:27 GMT -5
I've always thought the same KK but the scariest thing is does he switch his style of play to fit that roster.That's the million dollar question he hasn't this year.And he had plenty of time to do that.He is his own worst enemy,look what he did after the Quinnipiac game.Didn't start Prince he has a bad game excuses for him goes and says that was a bad experiment.WTF he didn't do sh##! he shouldn't have started last game.That right there is what confuses your team a guy not playing with effort and the coach pretty much makes a excuse for him.That's why i believe even if he gets some of these guy's he will not change.Flex #2 will be strong next year with 2bigs Okay, maybe I'm an outlier (I usually am) but I don't think the roster necessarily lends itself to playing 4 guards/wings. I don't think there is enough scoring punch in the guards they have within the program. Penn, Horn, Richard and Shivers can be viable scoring options ... who else do they have? If they are going to truly play 4/1, they need a wing who can defend big, rebound and provide some scoring punch. At this point, neither Huerter or Camper consistently provide that and I don't think Shivers or Smithen are big enough. Perhaps if Nico was still there but let's face it, he was half way out the door by mid December. The roster is flawed, no doubt, and JP is certainly responsible for it. But especially with Richard and/or Horn out, they have to play big and hope to win ugly. They just don't have enough offense to play otherwise. Just my 2 cents. and for all the talk of JP recruiting shooters.........other than Richard, really no one else can create his own shot off the dribble "consistently" (Horn is so-so even at that).............and JP does not direct an offense to get guys open shots.........there should always be multiple screens on EVERY darn offensive possession and not just at the top of the key for the ball handler, but for freeing up players OFF the ball..............that is basketball 101, but JP lacks doing that all the time, just maddening..........................
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Post by Quackman on Jan 31, 2018 14:13:18 GMT -5
Okay, maybe I'm an outlier (I usually am) but I don't think the roster necessarily lends itself to playing 4 guards/wings. I don't think there is enough scoring punch in the guards they have within the program. Penn, Horn, Richard and Shivers can be viable scoring options ... who else do they have? If they are going to truly play 4/1, they need a wing who can defend big, rebound and provide some scoring punch. At this point, neither Huerter or Camper consistently provide that and I don't think Shivers or Smithen are big enough. Perhaps if Nico was still there but let's face it, he was half way out the door by mid December. The roster is flawed, no doubt, and JP is certainly responsible for it. But especially with Richard and/or Horn out, they have to play big and hope to win ugly. They just don't have enough offense to play otherwise. Just my 2 cents. Of course, without both Richard and Horn...you just make do with what you got. But, with them, they should be playing small more...even without Nico. Penn, Richard, Horn, Shivers, Smithen Ideally, I believe 4 of those guys should always be out there...and when not...Heurter. Penn, Smithen, and Shivers are all plus rebounding guards...and Horn is at least average. They can get away with it. I still don't think there is enough offense there and defense would be a mess. Agree that the rebounding would probably be okay and it may cut down on turnovers. But they'd end up giving up 90 a game and they wouldn't have enough firepower to put up those kind of points regularly.
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Post by MTS on Jan 31, 2018 14:16:49 GMT -5
I go back and forth on the financial thing. The TUC has been very quiet the last few games. Even if Siena steals a few games Im not sure the interest really picks up and attendance crushes him. In many ways I feel like the damage is done and bringing him back would be a really big risk in terms of losing the fan base. Siena May not be in the best shape financially but I have to think the boosters will step up and pay a buyout if we are to believe reports that they hate JP. If boosters are leaving, I'm not sure they'll want to pony up money under the current circumstances. And, if D'Arg is really retiring, it could be too much transition for one year. Jimmy could get another year while the new AD potentially spends the year evaluating options. It would seem to me there's at least a 50/50 chance he'll be back next year. That happens and Bill O'Reilly's next book should be: Killing Siena.
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