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Post by SaintsFan on Mar 8, 2017 8:48:09 GMT -5
While we all were pleasantly surprised and enjoyed the maac tournament, it should not be lost on what it took to make that MAAC final. Nico played what some said was perhaps the best half of college basketball any player in the NCAA experienced this year. That performance coupled with Monmouth missing their second best player and first team all MAAC performer and of course home court advantage is what allowed Siena the window of opportunity. As others have posted... if the program is going to truly rebound and not just be another run-of-the-mill mid major, changes have to be made. I completely agree with those that requested NO EXTENSIONS be made. if this coach is the coach of the team next year, there should be no extension to the current contract.
A lot of things broke right for Siena to go deep in the tournament. Let that not alter our perception of what is reality.
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Post by gosaints on Mar 8, 2017 9:23:44 GMT -5
Great turn-out by the students - 1,723 tickets sold. Too many of the rest of our fans did not show. Hopefully there will be some carryover to 2017-18 on student attendance. Good to see the students. One problem during season they have lengthy breaks when many games are being played. Its not an easy trek for the students to come from the campus to the TUC and I'm somewhat suspicious that Siena would foot the transportation bill if more students did decide to come to the games. Besides if the excitement of attending games is not there neither is the interest. The Siena admin and coach need to change there ways! As far as the coach goes I'm afraid its to late but lets hope the Admin wakes up.
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Post by siena7127 on Mar 8, 2017 9:30:49 GMT -5
Coach - Recruit better
Admin - Hold to coach accountable for recruiting and departures
Both of those happen the program will start to get better if they don't then the school needs to find a coach that will recruit better and an admin that will hold them to a standard.
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Post by pj on Mar 8, 2017 10:32:36 GMT -5
Just wondering if anyone saw Fox/ABC News 10 sports last night (Tuesday Night). Interesting, Josh Rultenberg mentions next years team is a question mark "as it has long been rumored that Siena Star Nico Clareth might be transferring" and that with the "college basketball carousel, Jimmy Patsos may not be back for another year". Just thought that was interesting and wanted to share it. news10.com/category/sports/local-sports/
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Post by MTS on Mar 8, 2017 10:42:11 GMT -5
Just wondering if anyone saw Fox/ABC News 10 sports last night (Tuesday Night). Interesting, Josh Rultenberg mentions next years team is a question mark "as it has long been rumored that Siena Star Nico Clareth might be transferring" and that with the "college basketball carousel, Jimmy Patsos may not be back for another year". Just thought that was interesting and wanted to share it. news10.com/category/sports/local-sports/Yeah this could be a very interesting off-season for sure.
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Post by hockeyguy on Mar 8, 2017 15:45:24 GMT -5
While we all were pleasantly surprised and enjoyed the maac tournament, it should not be lost on what it took to make that MAAC final. Nico played what some said was perhaps the best half of college basketball any player in the NCAA experienced this year. That performance coupled with Monmouth missing their second best player and first team all MAAC performer and of course home court advantage is what allowed Siena the window of opportunity. As others have posted... if the program is going to truly rebound and not just be another run-of-the-mill mid major, changes have to be made. I completely agree with those that requested NO EXTENSIONS be made. if this coach is the coach of the team next year, there should be no extension to the current contract. A lot of things broke right for Siena to go deep in the tournament. Let that not alter our perception of what is reality. And how do you "explain" the narrow Siena loss in West Long Branch 9 days earlier? The difference was razor thin in that game. They had Seaborne, Nico did not have the game of a lifetime and Monmouth was at home. Hmmmmmmm...
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Post by olddave on Mar 8, 2017 19:04:49 GMT -5
While we all were pleasantly surprised and enjoyed the maac tournament, it should not be lost on what it took to make that MAAC final. Nico played what some said was perhaps the best half of college basketball any player in the NCAA experienced this year. That performance coupled with Monmouth missing their second best player and first team all MAAC performer and of course home court advantage is what allowed Siena the window of opportunity. As others have posted... if the program is going to truly rebound and not just be another run-of-the-mill mid major, changes have to be made. I completely agree with those that requested NO EXTENSIONS be made. if this coach is the coach of the team next year, there should be no extension to the current contract. A lot of things broke right for Siena to go deep in the tournament. Let that not alter our perception of what is reality. And how do you "explain" the narrow Siena loss in West Long Branch 9 days earlier? The difference was razor thin in that game. They had Seaborne, Nico did not have the game of a lifetime and Monmouth was at home. Hmmmmmmm... LL was defending JRobinson and Monmouth as just a little cocky. 9 days later no Seaborne, led by 14 at the half, than the miracle at half time happen and they loss by 4. Siena played best game of the year, happy as hell for them but such is college sports or for that matter the US Soviet game in Lake Placid. HMMMMMMMMM
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Post by greenblood on Mar 8, 2017 21:05:39 GMT -5
While we all were pleasantly surprised and enjoyed the maac tournament, it should not be lost on what it took to make that MAAC final. Nico played what some said was perhaps the best half of college basketball any player in the NCAA experienced this year. That performance coupled with Monmouth missing their second best player and first team all MAAC performer and of course home court advantage is what allowed Siena the window of opportunity. As others have posted... if the program is going to truly rebound and not just be another run-of-the-mill mid major, changes have to be made. I completely agree with those that requested NO EXTENSIONS be made. if this coach is the coach of the team next year, there should be no extension to the current contract. A lot of things broke right for Siena to go deep in the tournament. Let that not alter our perception of what is reality. And how do you "explain" the narrow Siena loss in West Long Branch 9 days earlier? The difference was razor thin in that game. They had Seaborne, Nico did not have the game of a lifetime and Monmouth was at home. Hmmmmmmm... Lavon covered Robinson in Long Branch also. Staff tweaked the game plan from the blowout but could not lock down the win in the end down there. I honestly can't recall end of game subs/decisions that may have affected that but we 'almost' got them. I think that set up the attitude that we could 'hang' with them if we had to face them in the tournament. Luckily for us they got too confident, pissed off our players, Nico went nuts and well, you know the rest.
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 9, 2017 7:48:09 GMT -5
Agree with hockeyguy. Though it took much longer than expected or probably should have, bottom line Siena was playing its best basketball at the end of the season and in the MAAC tournament. They finally played like the number 2 preseason pick and showed they were capable of beating all of the other MAAC teams.
In regards to Nico and Jimmy not being a part of the program next year, that is a long shot for both. Of the two better bet would be on Nico. However hopefully he has learned that he will be one of in not the best player in the MAAC the next two years if he is healthy. Go to a higher league and their is no guarantees and might be an average player at best. As for Jimmy the end of the season and MAAC performance bought him at least next year if not the next two years. Only way he is not around is if he decides to leave and why would he do that? All you Patsos haters are stuck with him for a while. So get used to it, get behind the team and our coach. Go Saints!
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Post by glen on Mar 9, 2017 9:03:08 GMT -5
hoopdad - re: Jimmy - is that how you feel about Jimmy or how you think the admins feel?
That "3 games in March" mentality is so low-major it is really distressing. Had we won on Monday (which I wanted Siena to do), they would've been a 15 seed. Is that really a "bought next year if not next 2" type of performance. My season tickets are for the season. In his 4th season I'm expecting a start-to-finish performance, not a few games in late Feb/early March. Statistically, Jimmy is ~.500. He's been coaching long enough that the body of work is fairly accurate. I'll note that Deane, Hewitt and Fran all made the tourney in 3 years. Winning coaches win. Period.
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 9, 2017 9:20:12 GMT -5
I believe that the "administration" was bringing Jimmy back next year no matter what. I have heard nothing from them or my contacts to the contrary. The play at the end of the year just solidified that and perhaps even the following year. The "administration" has indicated repeatedly that their goal is to "compete for MAAC Championships". The Saints did that this MAAC tourney and were a possession (or mistake) or two away from winning the Championship. I am not happy with the "body of work" or how the entire season went. I am just stating my opinion, based upon all I know right now, that Patsos will be back.
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Post by glen on Mar 9, 2017 11:00:12 GMT -5
I agree with you that he'll probably be back but in Jimmy's 4 years, he hasn't been all that close to winning the regular season. This year we ended tied for 3rd but were 2 games out of 2nd and 6 games out of first. If the administration thinks that is "competing" then it explains a lot. If what "compete for a MAAC Championship" means is winning the tourney then what's the push for season tix? Clearly the season doesn't matter.
I think Jimmy will be back too but it is quite astonishing to me.
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Post by MTS on Mar 9, 2017 12:06:24 GMT -5
Don't worry if we win 10-12 games so-so will be harping that he graduated 4 1,000 point seniors and have a young and inexperienced team - wait until 18-19 we'll be good then which will be another average year. That's how they guys last. Luckily for us he's not popular at Siena. If he had only one year of salary instead of two he'd be gone NOW. I'm pretty sure of that.
And I'd be saying the same thing had we won Monday night which I wanted badly and I'm still are not over. Seven years without a MAAC title is embarrassing so winning and being in the NCAA would have been awesome even as a 15 seed. But the season is about four months not three days.
I feel for the seniors too maybe had they been supplemented a little better with a bench and better recruiting maybe we have enough juice to pull out the win which was a one point difference.
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Post by pj on Mar 9, 2017 12:27:12 GMT -5
hoopdad - re: Jimmy - is that how you feel about Jimmy or how you think the admins feel? That "3 games in March" mentality is so low-major it is really distressing. Had we won on Monday (which I wanted Siena to do), they would've been a 15 seed. Is that really a "bought next year if not next 2" type of performance. My season tickets are for the season. In his 4th season I'm expecting a start-to-finish performance, not a few games in late Feb/early March. Statistically, Jimmy is ~.500. He's been coaching long enough that the body of work is fairly accurate. I'll note that Deane, Hewitt and Fran all made the tourney in 3 years. Winning coaches win. Period. Totally agree with you Glen. Why buy season tickets if we only have to win 3 games in March. His body of work is terrible. His coaching is terrible. It's not about being "Patsos Haters"; it's about what is best for this program. Every season ticket holder I know is not happy with the direction of the program and Patsos. I hang with long time supporters (all having season tickets since the late 80's and early 90's) and all of us are discussing whether to buy season tickets next year if Patsos is back. It's a very sad state of affairs right now. While Siena played well in the tourney, one could clearly see the disparity between the recruits, offenses and style of play. I don't even know what to call Patsos's offensive style of play.....but it sure makes me crazy to watch it.
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Post by hankla on Mar 9, 2017 12:45:09 GMT -5
hoopdad - re: Jimmy - is that how you feel about Jimmy or how you think the admins feel? That "3 games in March" mentality is so low-major it is really distressing. Had we won on Monday (which I wanted Siena to do), they would've been a 15 seed. Is that really a "bought next year if not next 2" type of performance. My season tickets are for the season. In his 4th season I'm expecting a start-to-finish performance, not a few games in late Feb/early March. Statistically, Jimmy is ~.500. He's been coaching long enough that the body of work is fairly accurate. I'll note that Deane, Hewitt and Fran all made the tourney in 3 years. Winning coaches win. Period. Totally agree with you Glen. Why buy season tickets if we only have to win 3 games in March. His body of work is terrible. His coaching is terrible. It's not about being "Patsos Haters"; it's about what is best for this program. Every season ticket holder I know is not happy with the direction of the program and Patsos. I hang with long time supporters (all having season tickets since the late 80's and early 90's) and all of us are discussing whether to buy season tickets next year if Patsos is back. It's a very sad state of affairs right now. While Siena played well in the tourney, one could clearly see the disparity between the recruits, offenses and style of play. I don't even know what to call Patsos's offensive style of play.....but it sure makes me crazy to watch it. Most games Saints score enough points to win. Defense is the problem IMHO.
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