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Post by siena95 on Dec 30, 2016 14:43:14 GMT -5
I'm glad to see another overreaction thread on sienahoops! 🙄🙄😂 at what point does it stop being an overreaction? Not picking a fight because i am really getting close to the fire JP mantra. I have seen nothing good so far this year and his act has worn thin. He has done nothing to this point to justify 2 or 3 more years..... unless Siena college is OK just existing in the D1 world, then, sure keep JP around. just get used to 3000 attendance games. I remember many Beyer games of 1500 down there, it isn't pretty. Will take a bit longer to bottom out attendance wise as they certainly have a lot more season ticket holders then they did back in the mid 90's... but it's coming.
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Post by saints22 on Dec 30, 2016 15:09:32 GMT -5
Very true - Hamlet Tibbs was skknv on the bench watching Lamb. He got hired and I good off for Becker right away What???
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Post by marshotel on Dec 30, 2016 15:22:23 GMT -5
Very true - Hamlet Tibbs was skknv on the bench watching Lamb. He got hired and I good off for Becker right away What??? You typing on the train again Big G?
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Post by bigsaintg on Dec 30, 2016 15:29:31 GMT -5
You typing on the train again Big G? Wendy Drive Thru - lol
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Post by sky on Dec 30, 2016 16:16:04 GMT -5
A pie in the sky name for our new coach...Tom Huerter Sr.
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Post by olddave on Dec 30, 2016 16:30:36 GMT -5
For the purists, D1 hoop is a business. D1 hoop can bring much needed revenue to the school and the intrinsic national name recognition as it had before. By the schools own admission the run we had brought many full paying tuition students to their door.
As been stated, there are factions in the admin which do not like the athletic program, and do everything in their power to reduce the program. The president, should just clean house of these factions. How much have they cost the college the last seven years, how many non athletic students have they admitted who have no business being at the school because they are an alumns relative. When your total graduation rate is below the rate of your D1 BB program changes need to be made. Unfortunately Siena is still going through their self imposed crisis, I sincerely hope they pull out of the fiscal mess. Just think if they had adhered to their mission statement of using the hoop tem to promote the school, well that went out the window.
As far as a new coach, they are not going to put up with the BS of the various factions not letting them get kids when schools with higher academics regularly admit the same kids. Siena used to be a school where coach's wanted to go now it is a graveyard due to the poor management of the program. Good luck trying to find that gem we need to turn the program around.
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Post by greenblood on Dec 30, 2016 16:38:56 GMT -5
I keep reading that admission is giving the BBALL recruits fits, but I don't get it. If you are qualified through the NCAA clearing house, what kind of HS transcript background do you need to be accepted into a major in Creative Arts? I am asking this seriously. And are you saying that we should continually take academic risks to win basketball games. Well, here is a conundrum- how do we weigh academic risk against basketball IQ? Or, are we only concerned about performance at the TUC and to hell with the classroom? There are many successful coaches at all levels of Collegiate basketball that don't agree with that plan.
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Post by olddave on Dec 30, 2016 16:50:32 GMT -5
Schools have different levels of academic admissions, we all know that. We know that Siena has missed recruits due to admissions, that's fine if they don't belong there but if they turn up at another MAAC school, the decision must be made at what level the school wants to compete at. D1 hoop is a business, unfortunate, the schools and we the fans have bastardized the sport. So if a school wants to compete than they need to push the envelope. If not, try to keep your sport pure their are other options D2 and D3. I'd love to go back to the old student athletes, some sports still have them, but being a realist, D1 hoop is beyond that now.
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Post by bigsaintg on Dec 30, 2016 17:02:01 GMT -5
I keep reading that admission is giving the BBALL recruits fits, but I don't get it. If you are qualified through the NCAA clearing house, what kind of HS transcript background do you need to be accepted into a major in Creative Arts? I am asking this seriously. And are you saying that we should continually take academic risks to win basketball games. Well, here is a conundrum- how do we weigh academic risk against basketball IQ? Or, are we only concerned about performance at the TUC and to hell with the classroom? There are many successful coaches at all levels of Collegiate basketball that don't agree with that plan. Who have we passed on other than the Jc kid we turned away. How many serious recruits have we lot because of this
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Post by greenblood on Dec 30, 2016 17:05:35 GMT -5
I get what you are saying but with all due respect Dave, I think we may have to work harder to find them, and not be the prostitute of AAU programs, but they are still out there to be found. I know that Prosper wouldn't be where he is now if he wasn't a student athlete here. I get that it's a different time but we aren't in the one and done category and there are higher level/profile programs that legitimately graduating kids in 3 years who go on to transfer for graduate degrees. That is where we are really lacking. We wouldn't even have Brett if not for the fact that he is a double major.
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Post by bigsaintg on Dec 30, 2016 17:37:13 GMT -5
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Post by greenblood on Dec 30, 2016 17:50:12 GMT -5
Well you know who I love on that list, but not sure it's a wise career move should the position open up.
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Post by hankla on Dec 30, 2016 18:02:52 GMT -5
Good to see humor in this dire topic. Guy who calls himself a die hard fan who lives locally and goes to very few home games and who most likely has never been to a road game. Good laugh.
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Post by olddave on Dec 30, 2016 18:27:55 GMT -5
I get what you are saying but with all due respect Dave, I think we may have to work harder to find them, and not be the prostitute of AAU programs, but they are still out there to be found. I know that Prosper wouldn't be where he is now if he wasn't a student athlete here. I get that it's a different time but we aren't in the one and done category and there are higher level/profile programs that legitimately graduating kids in 3 years who go on to transfer for graduate degrees. That is where we are really lacking. We wouldn't even have Brett if not for the fact that he is a double major. GB agree with you that yes the student athletes are out there. Perhaps I am writing to generally, but generalizing Siena really doesn't offer Juco or transfers on a regular basis as the rest of our competitors do. with that knowledge what up and coming, or even a coach who has been around would want to take over the program, Think how many coachs used to line up for the position when fran left and now. BTW you are absolutely right the recruiting deficit id from undisciplined laziness. Happy New year GB
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Post by greenblood on Dec 30, 2016 18:41:45 GMT -5
Happy New Year Dave......here's hoping the coxswain can get the crew rowing smoothly in 2017, lest we head over the falls next week without a barrel.
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