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Post by skipc on Mar 9, 2017 16:49:56 GMT -5
Siena has had several great coaches over the years not just Fran. They need to embrace good coaches who will leave after several good seasons and not coaches on the downswing of their careers. Desire what many in this board push, coaches are almost 100% of the reason why programs win or lose on a consistent basis. Then why did Deane and Hewitt fail miserably at the next level and Fran have more NCAA tourney wins with Siena then with Iowa? Do coaches forget how to coach when they get to the next level? You guys make it sound like it's an easy job but a lot of things have to go right even if you recruit good/great players. Quite honestly it's a fairly brutal profession,one with little or no job security, enough stress to shorten your life with everyone Monday morning quarterbacking you. Finding the Fran's at our level is the exception rather than the rule- it doesn't happen that often.
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Post by MTS on Mar 9, 2017 16:59:16 GMT -5
Siena has had several great coaches over the years not just Fran. They need to embrace good coaches who will leave after several good seasons and not coaches on the downswing of their careers. Desire what many in this board push, coaches are almost 100% of the reason why programs win or lose on a consistent basis. Then why did Deane and Hewitt fail miserably at the next level and Fran have more NCAA tourney wins with Siena then with Iowa? Do coaches forget how to coach when they get to the next level? You guys make it sound like it's an easy job but a lot of things have to go right even if you recruit good/great players. Quite honestly it's a fairly brutal profession,one with little or no job security, enough stress to shorten your life with everyone Monday morning quarterbacking you. Finding the Fran's at our level is the exception rather than the rule- it doesn't happen that often. I wouldn't say they failed miserably Hewitt took GT all the way to the national championship game. Deane won 100 games at Marquette in 5 years and had a couple of NCAA trips. When you get to the higher conferences it gets tougher. Hewitt also recruited also too well - he'd lost a lot of guys to the draft and did not any continuity. Maybe Fran McCaffery's are hard to come by but Siena can do a lot better than they have the last 7 years at head coach.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 17:07:16 GMT -5
Siena has had several great coaches over the years not just Fran. They need to embrace good coaches who will leave after several good seasons and not coaches on the downswing of their careers. Desire what many in this board push, coaches are almost 100% of the reason why programs win or lose on a consistent basis. Then why did Deane and Hewitt fail miserably at the next level and Fran have more NCAA tourney wins with Siena then with Iowa? Do coaches forget how to coach when they get to the next level? You guys make it sound like it's an easy job but a lot of things have to go right even if you recruit good/great players. Quite honestly it's a fairly brutal profession,one with little or no job security, enough stress to shorten your life with everyone Monday morning quarterbacking you. Finding the Fran's at our level is the exception rather than the rule- it doesn't happen that often. Good post, spot on with one minor exception - many of the good or very good coaches at the next level earned their stripes as they passed through our level. The trick is to retain them and compensation is the key element that we, and others like us, can't match. Look at John Beilein as a prime example of one who climbed the ladder and keeps on exceling. The job is one of the toughest out there - your success/career depends not only on your abilities but on how a group of 18-22 year olds work for you and play for you. I think the Peter Principle was developed based on college basketball coaches careers. We need to get a bright, young, up and comer - ride his success - his moving on is directly dependent on how successful he was with us - grieve when he goes - recruit another one while the stock is still high - tolerate a restructure for a 2-3 year period - reevaluate if it ain't working then rinse/repeat. We just had two coaching hires that were clunkers and needed/need to be shown the door.
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Post by gorvy on Mar 9, 2017 17:16:47 GMT -5
Siena has had several great coaches over the years not just Fran. They need to embrace good coaches who will leave after several good seasons and not coaches on the downswing of their careers. Desire what many in this board push, coaches are almost 100% of the reason why programs win or lose on a consistent basis. Then why did Deane and Hewitt fail miserably at the next level and Fran have more NCAA tourney wins with Siena then with Iowa? Do coaches forget how to coach when they get to the next level? You guys make it sound like it's an easy job but a lot of things have to go right even if you recruit good/great players. Quite honestly it's a fairly brutal profession,one with little or no job security, enough stress to shorten your life with everyone Monday morning quarterbacking you. Finding the Fran's at our level is the exception rather than the rule- it doesn't happen that often. . Miss practice and mts had good responses and I will add that with Siena's advantages in the maac a reasonably good coach ought to able to bring recruits that can succeed in the maac. The flip side to your argument is ask yourself why all the coaches that Siena fired never received another head coaching job. If you can't win here you can't win anywhere.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 9, 2017 18:04:43 GMT -5
Adding a local HS coach makes no sense and bringd no substantial value to the program. There are plenty of quality assistances with recruiting contacts beyond the Capital District who can help bring in quality players and bring coaching value to the team. This area is not a hot bed producing quality D1 college basketball players. I have thought from the beginning that one of Jimmy's challenges/weakness is the lack of quality and experienced assistant coaches. You don't think the City Rocks are filled with quality D1 players?? You know where they are located right? Where they practice all summer?
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Post by diamonddog on Mar 9, 2017 18:08:14 GMT -5
Jeff Ruland? Or terrible idea?
Derek Kellogg is fired from UMass.
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Post by skipc on Mar 9, 2017 18:51:36 GMT -5
Then why did Deane and Hewitt fail miserably at the next level and Fran have more NCAA tourney wins with Siena then with Iowa? Do coaches forget how to coach when they get to the next level? You guys make it sound like it's an easy job but a lot of things have to go right even if you recruit good/great players. Quite honestly it's a fairly brutal profession,one with little or no job security, enough stress to shorten your life with everyone Monday morning quarterbacking you. Finding the Fran's at our level is the exception rather than the rule- it doesn't happen that often. I wouldn't say they failed miserably Hewitt took GT all the way to the national championship game. Deane won 100 games at Marquette in 5 years and had a couple of NCAA trips. When you get to the higher conferences it gets tougher. Hewitt also recruited also too well - he'd lost a lot of guys to the draft and did not any continuity. Maybe Fran McCaffery's are hard to come by but Siena can do a lot better than they have the last 7 years at head coach. So they became so-so Mike and so-so Paul after they left Siena. Why does it get tougher at the higher conferences? They have access to the same players just like the other teams in their conference- Georgia Tech and Marquette’s names recruit themselves. They should have been able to compete with the best programs in the country from a recruiting standpoint based on their basketball pedigree. I’m guessing the Georgia Tech and Marquette fan boards were ready to run these guys out of town after several years of mediocrity or less. Sound familiar?
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 9, 2017 19:17:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't say they failed miserably Hewitt took GT all the way to the national championship game. Deane won 100 games at Marquette in 5 years and had a couple of NCAA trips. When you get to the higher conferences it gets tougher. Hewitt also recruited also too well - he'd lost a lot of guys to the draft and did not any continuity. Maybe Fran McCaffery's are hard to come by but Siena can do a lot better than they have the last 7 years at head coach. So they became so-so Mike and so-so Paul after they left Siena. Why does it get tougher at the higher conferences? They have access to the same players just like the other teams in their conference- Georgia Tech and Marquette’s names recruit themselves. They should have been able to compete with the best programs in the country from a recruiting standpoint based on their basketball pedigree. I’m guessing the Georgia Tech and Marquette fan boards were ready to run these guys out of town after several years of mediocrity or less. Sound familiar? Mike Paul and Fran have been successful at mid major level and moderately successful at the BCS level. Were they Duke NC Ka? No, but then again how many are? We hired a guy that's a lifetime 500 coach from within the same conference who has never won the MAAC and won just one conference tournament in his 9 years at Loyola. What's he done at Siena? More of the same! Shocking, I know!
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Post by nolesaint on Mar 9, 2017 19:54:04 GMT -5
skip, MP and gorvy - good posts. Its always amazed me that coaches leave a school like Siena, Manhattan, etc where they can compete every year and make good, not great but good money, to go to a second or third tier BCS program. I do get the money is huge, to the extent that 4 years at a school like NC St, Iowa St, etc equals about 10 years pay at a good MAAC school. But by making the move they almost always end up a goat rather than the previous school's GOAT.
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 9, 2017 21:41:54 GMT -5
$$$ and ego drive successful coaches to the next level. Only a select few are successful and make a long run at it. Most crash and burn after a few years, then are relegated to broadcasting, assistant coaching, scouting or are out of the game all together. As others have said it is a cruel and unforgiving occupation.
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Post by hoopdad on Mar 9, 2017 21:44:53 GMT -5
City Rocks? Yes, very familiar with them as my son played for them. Most of their really good players are not from the area and most of those players end up going to programs outside of Albany. The best of their local talent typically end up at DII or III, very few have made it to D1 and those that did were not all that successful from a basketball standpoint. With the exception of a select few like Jimmer.
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