bigsaintg
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 20, 2016 12:20:06 GMT -5
The issue is the home schedule and needing to improve that. MTS doesn't spend on tickets like we do so he doesn't fee it
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OneIndian
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 20, 2016 13:43:21 GMT -5
Monmouth proved you can't impress the selection committee. It's win the MAAC tournament or settle for anything but the NCAA. Monmouth losing to CC, Manhattan and Army kept them out of the tournament. If they win one of those they were in. If anyone thinks Siena played a tougher schedule than Monmouth based on some formula, that formula has some serious flaws. Monmouths 20+ wins vs an RPI of 150+ killed them. The MAACs a boat anchor.
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olddave
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Post by olddave on Mar 20, 2016 14:40:26 GMT -5
Monmouth proved you can't impress the selection committee. It's win the MAAC tournament or settle for anything but the NCAA. Monmouth losing to CC, Manhattan and Army kept them out of the tournament. If they win one of those they were in. If anyone thinks Siena played a tougher schedule than Monmouth based on some formula, that formula has some serious flaws. Three different ranking services sos ESPN Iona 160 Siena 164 Monmouth 209 UA 313 CBS Iona 147 Siena 160 Monmouth 166 UA 300 Team Rankings Iona 148 Siena 164 Monmouth 176 UA 290 These were the first 3 sites goggled. Not even going into why some of the numbers vary for some schools, they all have their own formulas. Threw UA in because they are other local school. Perhaps we need a survey on what particular ranking sites to use for the board.
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mrsiena
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Post by mrsiena on Mar 20, 2016 16:46:10 GMT -5
quote I beg to differ. The strong play of Middle Tenn., Stephen Austin, Yale, No. Iowa, Wichita St., and Little Rock will surely bode well for mid majors come selection Sunday next March.
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Post by billmurray on Mar 20, 2016 17:18:38 GMT -5
quote I beg to differ. The strong play of Middle Tenn., Stephen Austin, Yale, No. Iowa, Wichita St., and Little Rock will surely bode well for mid majors come selection Sunday next March. [/quote] You would hope so, but it is different every year. Monmouth won over Bilas, but not the committee this year. No telling what next year will bring. It could be that the Bigs are intimidated by this year's results and will over react to keep mids out next year to keep it from happening again. It is all about the $$ and the Bigs want to keep it in their coffers.
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Papi
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Post by Papi on Mar 20, 2016 19:32:47 GMT -5
It's turning into a big boy tournament.
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musicman
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Post by musicman on Mar 21, 2016 18:51:20 GMT -5
quote I beg to differ. The strong play of Middle Tenn., Stephen Austin, Yale, No. Iowa, Wichita St., and Little Rock will surely bode well for mid majors come selection Sunday next March. You would hope so, but it is different every year. Monmouth won over Bilas, but not the committee this year. No telling what next year will bring. It could be that the Bigs are intimidated by this year's results and will over react to keep mids out next year to keep it from happening again. It is all about the $$ and the Bigs want to keep it in their coffers.[/quote] Very disappointing how a few of the mid-majors got knocked off.
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musicman
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Post by musicman on Mar 21, 2016 19:03:34 GMT -5
It's turning into a big boy tournament. I was pleasantly surprised how candid different commentators were when talking about the teams that were on the bubble and who got picked. They spoke again of not just high majors but high majors from the big football powers and the money involved. We know that's not going to change any time soon.
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skipc
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Post by skipc on Mar 21, 2016 19:31:33 GMT -5
For all of you "happy with 20" guys, you could save a lot of money by just buying any national paper and looking at the W's and L's and counting to 20 to quell your need for Siena hoop. For those of us that actually care about the Program and go to as many games as possible, the 20 number is indeed a first order indicator but when you watch the season play out and realize this coach can't go the extra mile it is not, in and of itself, a flag waving "aren't we great again"! Fran and several previous coaches set the bar fairly high (especially for a MAAC level conference), eMBee (hope this survives the autocorrect nonsense) lowered it back to the Beyer/Lanier levels and it was a major drop off from what we had gotten comfortable with under the God of the Church of the Latter Day Fran Fans, and then (cue the music) along comes James! He raised the bar back to .5000001 hoop (gotta protect his job) while doing things that previous coaches didn't have to OR WANT do at Siena. We had good recruiters, good kids and most got developed and graduated. Now we are employing the techniques some of the almost big boys use (things we used to bitch about when other teams did them) and with no real impact. Good to hear that MTS has laid out his expectations for 2016-17 - I am certain they are emblazoned on the walls of Jimmy and John's offices - woe be to the Siena Program if Mr. MTS's expectations are not met - he'll likely get back on the scheduling trail again. Interesting that you indicate that MB lowered the program back to the Beyer levels yet during his entire 3 year tenure you NEVER called him out on this site. As a matter of fact you went out of your way to consistently defend the guy. Jimmy has been here three years, has had much more success than MB and you call him out every chance you get for 3 years running even to the point of getting banished from the site for a period of time. That is EXACTLY why you have no credibility on this matter and any comments you make about Jimmy should be dismissed by everyone reading this site.
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Post by melva on Mar 21, 2016 19:58:04 GMT -5
Music man has a point. The smokescreen of winning twenty games does not always mean job well done. Patsos just is not as good as he himself proclaims to be in some people's eyes. Again what do I know?
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melva
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Post by melva on Mar 21, 2016 19:59:16 GMT -5
I mean misspractice I m new at this!!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 5:29:27 GMT -5
For all of you "happy with 20" guys, you could save a lot of money by just buying any national paper and looking at the W's and L's and counting to 20 to quell your need for Siena hoop. For those of us that actually care about the Program and go to as many games as possible, the 20 number is indeed a first order indicator but when you watch the season play out and realize this coach can't go the extra mile it is not, in and of itself, a flag waving "aren't we great again"! Fran and several previous coaches set the bar fairly high (especially for a MAAC level conference), eMBee (hope this survives the autocorrect nonsense) lowered it back to the Beyer/Lanier levels and it was a major drop off from what we had gotten comfortable with under the God of the Church of the Latter Day Fran Fans, and then (cue the music) along comes James! He raised the bar back to .5000001 hoop (gotta protect his job) while doing things that previous coaches didn't have to OR WANT do at Siena. We had good recruiters, good kids and most got developed and graduated. Now we are employing the techniques some of the almost big boys use (things we used to bitch about when other teams did them) and with no real impact. Good to hear that MTS has laid out his expectations for 2016-17 - I am certain they are emblazoned on the walls of Jimmy and John's offices - woe be to the Siena Program if Mr. MTS's expectations are not met - he'll likely get back on the scheduling trail again. Interesting that you indicate that MB lowered the program back to the Beyer levels yet during his entire 3 year tenure you NEVER called him out on this site. As a matter of fact you went out of your way to consistently defend the guy. Jimmy has been here three years, has had much more success than MB and you call him out every chance you get for 3 years running even to the point of getting banished from the site for a period of time. That is EXACTLY why you have no credibility on this matter and any comments you make about Jimmy should be dismissed by everyone reading this site.
For the record - year 1 under MB my position was much opposed to the strong initial criticism based solely on years old experience when he was at FF as I knew he was an excellent assistant and believed those skills would carry over into the head coaching position - my position was give him a chance year 2, like it or not, he was devastated with injuries and I reacted to the continuing criticism of all things Mitch without giving any consideration for what he accomplished with six guys - his peers recognized that to the extent of even throwing his name in the mix for coach of the year - my position was give him another year or two year 3 I early on observed behaviors that I did not like and started to draw parallels with some of the original points put forth by continued critics and I did make my views known to the people at Siena that were looking at making a change - I do recall making some negative posts getting a lot of I told you so's when I did - my notes to and discussions with those that could make the change were seen by me as more effective than making those same points in public.
When JP was hired I was not at all happy - I was more than aware of his coaching abilities having watched him in action two or sometimes three times a season over a number of years - my work related travel took me to Baltimore very frequently and I got to see him at Loyola each year. He came in as a known entity but I decided to give him a chance - when he began coaching games that year it was immediately evident that he was the same JP and only confirmed my early fears and I voiced that criticism early on - very much like Tony had done for MB. I was given assurances before this past season started that change was coming and, if you go back you will see my posts were more complimentary - as the year progressed and JP 3.0 started to morph back into JP 2.0 I voiced some criticism but much much less than I considered. He is not an X's and O's coach and never will be.
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siena70
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Post by siena70 on Mar 22, 2016 6:18:58 GMT -5
Would you even hire, not just give an extension, to a guy who's been in the league 12 years and never won a title, a guy with a losing record over the last three years.
The Siena BOT, President and D'Arg are content with MEDIOCRITY.
Get used to it.T
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2016 6:36:50 GMT -5
OBTW - to skipc - During MB's three years we were 1-6 vs Loyola - do you believe there was at least one person closely following Siena hoops during that period that said - "We've got to get JP as our head coach - he can coach"? I think not.
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indian82
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Post by indian82 on Mar 22, 2016 6:52:05 GMT -5
It's turning into a big boy tournament. Almost always has been and that's sad.
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