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Post by billmurray on Mar 7, 2016 15:39:32 GMT -5
I think they should offer a $20.00 - $25.00 ticket per game that is general admission to specific sections of the arena. Other schools don't have the support that Siena does, it will always be tough to get big draws on a non-Siena game. Another option could be making the All Session pass cheap $125.00 for solid seats, this would entice more people to buy those and Siena should bring enough walk-ups on game day if it is priced reasonably. Really $42 dollars or $4 a ticket will make a difference? If people's excuse for not buying the all session pass it $42 that is a sad state of affairs.
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Post by billmurray on Mar 7, 2016 15:45:20 GMT -5
The bottom line is if attendance tanks the TUC will offer less of a guarantee the next time and the MAAC just might go small time and do the tournament at the site of the higher seed. That will kill the MAAC in my book. The money generated would not cover the cost of running the MAAC offices and the member institutions would have to foot the bill and would not see the "investment" as a wise decision given their finances. With that start the death spiral.
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Post by olddave on Mar 7, 2016 15:52:55 GMT -5
The bottom line is if attendance tanks the TUC will offer less of a guarantee the next time and the MAAC just might go small time and do the tournament at the site of the higher seed. That will kill the MAAC in my book. The money generated would not cover the cost of running the MAAC offices and the member institutions would have to foot the bill and would not see the "investment" as a wise decision given their finances. With that start the death spiral. Your right especially if Clues has his way. I assume you are retired like on so you can attend every game and get your monies worth. As one thread here stated perfect scenario one be Glens Falls. Centrally located, fan draw from Albany and north country, they supported HS tourneys. See what happens after 2020.
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Post by billmurray on Mar 7, 2016 16:03:16 GMT -5
The bottom line is if attendance tanks the TUC will offer less of a guarantee the next time and the MAAC just might go small time and do the tournament at the site of the higher seed. That will kill the MAAC in my book. The money generated would not cover the cost of running the MAAC offices and the member institutions would have to foot the bill and would not see the "investment" as a wise decision given their finances. With that start the death spiral. Your right especially if Clues has his way. I assume you are retired like on so you can attend every game and get your monies worth. As one thread here stated perfect scenario one be Glens Falls. Centrally located, fan draw from Albany and north country, they supported HS tourneys. See what happens after 2020. If Siena fans won't drive 15 minutes to get to the TUC I don't see them going 45 to get to Glens Falls and the Glens Falls Civic Center in not in a position to guarantee $ that they will not likely recoup in ticket sales. Therefore lower guarantee = same scenario as lower TUC guarantee.
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Post by olddave on Mar 7, 2016 16:11:39 GMT -5
Your right especially if Clues has his way. I assume you are retired like on so you can attend every game and get your monies worth. As one thread here stated perfect scenario one be Glens Falls. Centrally located, fan draw from Albany and north country, they supported HS tourneys. See what happens after 2020. If Siena fans won't drive 15 minutes to get to the TUC I don't see them going 45 to get to Glens Falls and the Glens Falls Civic Center in not in a position to guarantee $ that they will not likely recoup in ticket sales. Therefore lower guarantee = same scenario as lower TUC guarantee. Good point, but at least it keeps it in area, and a neutral site. But with what MAAC wants in guarantee not going to, happen. May fall into lower league tournament format.
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Post by siena7127 on Mar 7, 2016 17:16:43 GMT -5
I think they should offer a $20.00 - $25.00 ticket per game that is general admission to specific sections of the arena. Other schools don't have the support that Siena does, it will always be tough to get big draws on a non-Siena game. Another option could be making the All Session pass cheap $125.00 for solid seats, this would entice more people to buy those and Siena should bring enough walk-ups on game day if it is priced reasonably. Really $42 dollars or $4 a ticket will make a difference? If people's excuse for not buying the all session pass it $42 that is a sad state of affairs. For some yes. Not all MAAC fans have to be well off. Some are young and just starting careers so that can make a difference. I threw it out there as an option, I do think the prices were high this year and it kept a lot of casual fans home. If you make it more attractive for a family or a date night you will get better crowds IMHO.
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Post by saints22 on Mar 7, 2016 17:21:12 GMT -5
The tournament ticket prices are just too high. This isn't the Big Ten or ACC Tournament. I know the league wants to provide a big-time atmosphere for all of the teams, including the women's teams, but what is "big-time" about playing in a cavernous, 15,000 seat arena when there are fewer than 1,000 people in the place.
If they would lower the all-session pass price, and the individual session price, a decent amount, they would sell a lot more of them and make up the difference in volume of sales. They would also end up with more people in the seats at more of the games, including women's games. For all of the women's only sessions, charge $10 a ticket for all seats. Give the women a decent-sized crowd to play in front of. For the opening-round men's games, charge the same $10 for each session. For men's quarter-finals and semi-finals sessions, charge $30 for each session (more than one game in each session); for the men's final, charge $25 (one game, but a championship game). Charge $125 for all-sessions passes, with the advantage for the higher price being that you have the same seat throughout, in a "better" location (maybe upstairs all-sessions are a bit cheaper away from center court). All of those prices should be affordable for just about everyone, so more people/families would likely be inclined to attend, including fans from areas where the league teams are from. Make it more affordable for them to want to travel to Albany for the tournament. Obviously, there are other economic factors involved, but ticket price is a major one.
Would be interesting to know how many people come to the tournament from each of the league cities, and not just from the host site. Do we have that number?
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Post by SIENA1971 on Mar 7, 2016 17:30:56 GMT -5
The tournament ticket prices are just too high. This isn't the Big Ten or ACC Tournament. I know the league wants to provide a big-time atmosphere for all of the teams, including the women's teams, but what is "big-time" about playing in a cavernous, 15,000 seat arena when there are fewer than 1,000 people in the place. If they would lower the all-session pass price, and the individual session price, a decent amount, they would sell a lot more of them and make up the difference in volume of sales. They would also end up with more people in the seats at more of the games, including women's games. For all of the women's only sessions, charge $10 a ticket for all seats. Give the women a decent-sized crowd to play in front of. For the opening-round men's games, charge the same $10 for each session. For men's quarter-finals and semi-finals sessions, charge $30 for each session (more than one game in each session); for the men's final, charge $25 (one game, but a championship game). Charge $125 for all-sessions passes, with the advantage for the higher price being that you have the same seat throughout, in a "better" location (maybe upstairs all-sessions are a bit cheaper away from center court). All of those prices should be affordable for just about everyone, so more people/families would likely be inclined to attend, including fans from areas where the league teams are from. Make it more affordable for them to want to travel to Albany for the tournament. Obviously, there are other economic factors involved, but ticket price is a major one. Would be interesting to know how many people come to the tournament from each of the league cities, and not just from the host site. Do we have that number? Agreed prices are too high . . . Shrink it to 3 day tournament @tuc - one less day of rent to TUC . . . use savings to reduce ticket prices . . . make Saturday into a family focused event with heavily discounted tickets for kids . . . possibly move women up to Glens Falls CC if cheaper then 2 session days at TUC
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Post by OneIndian on Mar 7, 2016 17:35:38 GMT -5
The tournament ticket prices are just too high. This isn't the Big Ten or ACC Tournament. I know the league wants to provide a big-time atmosphere for all of the teams, including the women's teams, but what is "big-time" about playing in a cavernous, 15,000 seat arena when there are fewer than 1,000 people in the place. If they would lower the all-session pass price, and the individual session price, a decent amount, they would sell a lot more of them and make up the difference in volume of sales. They would also end up with more people in the seats at more of the games, including women's games. For all of the women's only sessions, charge $10 a ticket for all seats. Give the women a decent-sized crowd to play in front of. For the opening-round men's games, charge the same $10 for each session. For men's quarter-finals and semi-finals sessions, charge $30 for each session (more than one game in each session); for the men's final, charge $25 (one game, but a championship game). Charge $125 for all-sessions passes, with the advantage for the higher price being that you have the same seat throughout, in a "better" location (maybe upstairs all-sessions are a bit cheaper away from center court). All of those prices should be affordable for just about everyone, so more people/families would likely be inclined to attend, including fans from areas where the league teams are from. Make it more affordable for them to want to travel to Albany for the tournament. Obviously, there are other economic factors involved, but ticket price is a major one. Would be interesting to know how many people come to the tournament from each of the league cities, and not just from the host site. Do we have that number? What were the tix prices during the Fran years when the place was packed? Trying to remember.
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Post by billmurray on Mar 7, 2016 17:43:49 GMT -5
I can see charging $10 for the woman's tickets, but I doubt attendance goes up significantly even at the lesser cost, certainly not likely a 100% increase if the current price is 20 dollars a ticket. If it is higher the percentage increase would have to be higher to recoup the "cost" of the price reduction. The same holds true for the men's sessions. Will the numbers increase enough to offset the cost. The TUC is run by professional marketers, I'm sure they have run alternative pricing scenarios in developing their bid. If it doesn't work at the current price point changes can be made, but if it doesn't support the current guarantee see my scenario on the reduced guarantee and the start of the MAAC death spiral to low major status.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2016 18:22:16 GMT -5
It's the product and the prices.
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Post by glen on Mar 7, 2016 18:43:59 GMT -5
Bottom line...most people figured we were toast vs. Iona and stayed home. Call it fair weather fans. School night. Pricey tix. It all adds up. Had Siena not been down 25 in the first half a week ago to Iona, attendance probably would have been better. Had Siena won last night, tonight would have been packed. I'll note that it takes time to build momentum. The team had some fits and starts ... for valid reasons. I'm not criticizing, but for casual fans it isn't worth $150+ for a family of 4 when tix, refreshments and parking are factored in.
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Post by diamonddog on Mar 7, 2016 18:47:27 GMT -5
If they want a neutral location, they should look at the Westchester County Center. 5,000 seats and closer to more MAAC institutions. Google it.
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Post by CellarRat on Mar 7, 2016 18:49:51 GMT -5
All great suggestions that will continue to being ores in favor of fleecing 3or 4K core Siena fans. You got to redistribute the wealth.
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Post by billmurray on Mar 7, 2016 19:34:01 GMT -5
gg says the TUC is a dump. What would he say about the Westchester site?
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