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Post by th24 on Feb 14, 2014 22:28:19 GMT -5
I believe I found a pic of Misspractice!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 7:27:58 GMT -5
Actually that's a picture of my twin brother. I play the nordic war horn and have a bad knee which inhibits my prancing.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 7:59:08 GMT -5
MP you are exhausting me. Nothing gets through that head of yours. Don't say people like something that they had NO choice joining. The money is confiscated through payroll tax. It is not voluntary. Stop with the sillyness. That kind of talk is fine with the typical ignorant democratic voter that doesn't know better, but not here. Unfortunately, many people share your views. CR, you don't exhaust me - it's too easy to respond to your misguided missives. Your posts lead me to the unavoidable conclusion that there is nothing in that head of yours. I am certain you are confusing (a trait you consistently exhibit) the medicare TAX (which was split out of the SS tax years ago) with the medicare insurance program. The split was necessitated by the continually increasing medical costs that impacted those on Medicare. SS has a cap, Medicare's tax does not. In simple terms, we all pay the medicare TAX on earned income similar to our income tax. No one likes paying taxes at all - you of all people should know that and to think I would be saying people like it is a clear and typical misread by you. My comment was aimed at the Medicare program itself. People do LIKE it and as one famous anti-Obama anti-ACA citizen once quipped that she didn't want the government in the health insurance business and didnn't want the government messing around with her Medicare! The medicare insurance coverage, however is completely voluntary. The Part A, which most apply for at the time they apply for SS benefits, is FREE. Parts B and D are optional and do come at a cost but again - they are totally voluntary. You may pay higher premiums if you delay applying for Parts B and D coverage after applying for SS depending on when you get off your private insurance and then apply for Parts B and D. Now let me educate you with an example of why people like the Medicare insurance they get. I had exceptionally good private insurance coverage while working. When I retired two things happened - my company's subsidy (a major aerospace and defense contractor) for that insurance (they offered continuation of coverage into retirement) dropped significantly and my age dependent rates increased sharply. The insurance company mandated "family" coverage for my wife and I (same classification for those with dependent children - a state that most, if not all, people aged in their 60's don't need and can't use but pay for). Our Medicare premium is $104 per month for each of us ($208 total for those hampered by Common Core exposure) and that covers 80% of my medical costs. Our additional supplemental (a Medicare Advantage program) costs us $344 per month ($172 for each of us) and that covers the remaining 20% of our medical costs. There is also a copay of $30 per office visit that comes as part of the supplemental coverage. Medicare, if your only coverage, does not have a copay but you are liable for the additional 20% (years ago many doctors ate those costs for many of their senior citizen patients, some still do.)
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 15, 2014 9:40:34 GMT -5
Medicare is a subsidized program that we all pay for, some more than others. That's why it is less expensive to purchase the additional coverage. To say people like something because they take advantage of it, when they have been subsidizing it during there working years is misleading. You would say the same about me when I collect my ss retirement benefits if I am so lucky.
I was right Medicare is collected as an income tax. I said that the cap for ss would be raised as it always is to help pay for more and more social programs including ACA.
"Part A is free", this is priceless. When liberals like you say this do you at least cringe a little? Is ACA free too? I wish you were as smart as you think you are.
My town picks up my leaves in the fall- it's free!! Lol
Wow, why don't you and pelosi, ried, wasserman-Shultz, Obama, and the rest of your socialist party come up with some more free stuff! You talk about my head and it's contents! Party of demagogues and idiots.
Conservatives have been too nice, too quiet and too reserved for too long. So this is our fault that we got to where we are. I know you are a fan of FDR and Johnson, I'm not. Social programs always start out as hand outs and charity and eventually turn into entitlements. This is how you guys "think", if you can call it that.
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 15, 2014 10:52:17 GMT -5
Medicare is a subsidized program that we all pay for, some more than others. That's why it is less expensive to purchase the additional coverage. To say people like something because they take advantage of it, when they have been subsidizing it during there working years is misleading. You would say the same about me when I collect my ss retirement benefits if I am so lucky. I was right Medicare is collected as an income tax. I said that the cap for ss would be raised as it always is to help pay for more and more social programs including ACA. "Part A is free", this is priceless. When liberals like you say this do you at least cringe a little? Is ACA free too? I wish you were as smart as you think you are. My town picks up my leaves in the fall- it's free!! Lol Wow, why don't you and pelosi, ried, wasserman-Shultz, Obama, and the rest of your socialist party come up with some more free stuff! You talk about my head and it's contents! Party of demagogues and idiots. Conservatives have been too nice, too quiet and too reserved for too long. So this is our fault that we got to where we are. I know you are a fan of FDR and Johnson, I'm not. Social programs always start out as hand outs and charity and eventually turn into entitlements. This is how you guys "think", if you can call it that. Ive stayed away because we just see many of the same problems fundamentally differently. Our system is designed to funnel the wealth to a select few. That noose is tightening each and every year. More and more poor are forced into handouts and have less and less opportunities. The system as it exists does not promote poor going and getting one two and three jobs because those jobs provide nothing but a glass ceiling. You can work 100 hours a week at many jobs today and it might be enough to barely get by. I remember when I was in my teens working fast food among other jobs and it was rare someone in their 20s or older was working at these places (as non management). Now ... it is the norm. And its been the norm for a while... I.e. before this President. Opportunities are dwindling... corporate america has crushed many of the small businesses that use to provide so many opportunities. And the wealthy are the primary investors. So those corporate profits that arent going to CEOs etc...are primarily going to those investors. We've turned our country into a minimum wage type country where we are rapidly heading toward a two class society. We've done so by emulating the third world. The corporate world will make excuses about labor etc costing too much. The reality is that the third world is willing to do the jobs for far less and in far poorer working conditions... all while providing greater profits for the ceos and the wealthy investors. We built a strong country on a vibrant middle class and somewhere along the line we decided emulating third world business models was the way to go. As laws change they almost always benefit the wealthy or at worst have little impact and thats because it is their money dictating policy. I really do believe that we are headed down a dangerous road. We are so effing arrogant about democracy and capitalism. It will be our downfall.
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 15, 2014 11:11:22 GMT -5
SF, we are a republic, not a pure democracy, but I get your point. Are you against democracy? Or capitalism?
There was more social mobility here than in any other country when my ancestors came here. They left the countries that we are trying to emulate today. Do you think people have our standard of living in Greece, Italy, France, Belgium etc. I know people that came from those countries that to came to the US. They visit family and friends in their homelands from time to time. Some speak of going back to retire or vacation. None of them regret coming to the states and credit their success to the opportunity they had here and of course really hard work. Families saving money, living together and working hours that you would wonder when they slept.
The problem as I see it, is that we have become very similar to the countries that many left. With more entitlements, it creates less opportunity and a disincentive to work and you therefore get less social mobility. This is happening now. People want a middle class lifestyle right out of the box. They don't want to work up to it. They want a flat screen, an iPhone, designer jeans, fancy car, trip to Disney- heck I deserve it.
People want a job within 10 miles from their house. While other folks left their countries to move here for work. My grandfather would always ask my father, "is their work?" The answer was yes, and he then said "good" in his native tongue. People were happy to have enough money to eat well and be warm. If they wanted more, they worked harder and longer, including paying for college and improving themselves.
The problem is one that your party has created for the most part. And people that think like that.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 12:08:38 GMT -5
Medicare is a subsidized program that we all pay for, some more than others. That's why it is less expensive to purchase the additional coverage. To say people like something because they take advantage of it, when they have been subsidizing it during there working years is misleading. You would say the same about me when I collect my ss retirement benefits if I am so lucky. I was right Medicare is collected as an income tax. I said that the cap for ss would be raised as it always is to help pay for more and more social programs including ACA. "Part A is free", this is priceless. When liberals like you say this do you at least cringe a little? Is ACA free too? I wish you were as smart as you think you are. My town picks up my leaves in the fall- it's free!! Lol Wow, why don't you and pelosi, ried, wasserman-Shultz, Obama, and the rest of your socialist party come up with some more free stuff! You talk about my head and it's contents! Party of demagogues and idiots. Conservatives have been too nice, too quiet and too reserved for too long. So this is our fault that we got to where we are. I know you are a fan of FDR and Johnson, I'm not. Social programs always start out as hand outs and charity and eventually turn into entitlements. This is how you guys "think", if you can call it that. My response: Man, you need everything spelled out for you. Who said Medicare funding wasn't collected based on income? I sure as hell didn't! SS funds don't pay for the ACA. When I said it was free (Part A) I meant there was no ADDITIONAL cost to the person signing up for it. You can't be this stupid in real life - or can you - wait, I think I know the answer to the question already? And to your comparison to liking SS - the SS we receive is certainly not the panacea that many thought it would be when they first started paying into it. I paid the absolute max into SS for every f'n year I worked and I guarantee I couldn't live on the max benefit I collect. So I would never use the LIKE term in describing how it is received. It is NEEDED by people who failed to adequately provide for their retirement believing that SS would cover them. On the other hand, the MEDICARE program is liked because you have great coverage at a relatively low price = but don't forget you paid for it all of your working life AND IT'S NOT MANDATORY AS YOU STATED IN THE POST I REPLIED TO. I was not a fan of Lyndon Johnson - where the hell did you get that info. In case your addled brain has misplaced it, Johnson was IMO, responsible for our war in Vietnam. Surprised you, as a conservative war monger, wouldn't idolize that aspect of Johnson's reign - how many American lives were wasted looking for the "end of the tunnel" he and his advisors sold to the country? LBJ civil rights moves were long overdue and to be applauded. Given your views on other things I'm guessing you didn't go for the civil rights stuff. Maybe you came from Mississippi!
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Post by gorvy on Feb 15, 2014 12:50:40 GMT -5
The main "problem" that people have seemed to gloss over on here is that technology has eroded many of the lower paying but previously important jobs like clerical worker, telephone operator, customer service reprentative, laborer, factory worker, farmer,etc. These are millions of jobs eliminated by those with the technical skills to do them at a far cheaper and more efficient rate overall. We are also living a lot longer, which has led to billions of additional people worldwide competing for fewer jobs. Health care costs and pension costs have exploded because of these longer lives---- somebody has to pay for them. These are all good problems to have--- if you are lucky.
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 15, 2014 13:12:43 GMT -5
SF, we are a republic, not a pure democracy, but I get your point. Are you against democracy? Or capitalism? There was more social mobility here than in any other country when my ancestors came here. They left the countries that we are trying to emulate today. Do you think people have our standard of living in Greece, Italy, France, Belgium etc. I know people that came from those countries that to came to the US. They visit family and friends in their homelands from time to time. Some speak of going back to retire or vacation. None of them regret coming to the states and credit their success to the opportunity they had here and of course really hard work. Families saving money, living together and working hours that you would wonder when they slept. The problem as I see it, is that we have become very similar to the countries that many left. With more entitlements, it creates less opportunity and a disincentive to work and you therefore get less social mobility. This is happening now. People want a middle class lifestyle right out of the box. They don't want to work up to it. They want a flat screen, an iPhone, designer jeans, fancy car, trip to Disney- heck I deserve it. People want a job within 10 miles from their house. While other folks left their countries to move here for work. My grandfather would always ask my father, "is their work?" The answer was yes, and he then said "good" in his native tongue. People we happy to have enough money to eat well and be warm. If they want more, they worked harder and longer, including paying for college and improving themselves. The problem is one that your party has created for the most part. And people that think like that. And as I said...we disagree on cause
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 13:14:44 GMT -5
It is amazing how many take the "noble" position that they can do it ALL by themselves and don't need any help from anybody. They decry high taxes, especially those that are tied to what have been labeled "entitlement" programs - I am sure those that need SS disability payments didn't opt for the condition they have and feel they should get the help they need because THEY PAID INTO THE SYSTEM (taxes, SS, Medicare, whatever). They do go after them simply because they are entitled to them - they NEED and earned them, if that is the way some can understand the concept of pay in and draw down WHEN NEEDED and not before. I would venture a guess that close to everyone of those "do it yourself" folks would be first in line when a need arose in their lives for services. Same crap about opening your own small business if you can't get a job - others have done it, therefore the conservative (already well off) folks claim anyone can do it! BS! Right wing poppycock! Our ancestors did it - Patriotic poppycock! Did these same people ever look at the cost to open a small business? Where do those funds come from? Let's see about getting a bank loan - what assets do you have (a mortgaged home that I can't afford), no job, exhausted savings and no real experience doing the stuff the small business will do. No problem - how much would you like? NOT!
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 15, 2014 13:15:42 GMT -5
This just like nation of red stockings taking great comfort in Ted Williams as the go 86 years without championship. Moral victories are hollow. Only stat matters is "W." Not entirely accurate... different low paying jobs were created that were able to be outsourced to create huge profits
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 15, 2014 15:28:19 GMT -5
MP you are the king of the straw man. Taking everything to extremes and ignoring the argument presented.
Stick with the scotch, just maybe drink less and have some on the rocks.
You fit in well with the likes of wasserman Shultz and pelosi, democratic surrogates that continually deceive. Keep up the good work.
It's always the same with you morons, it's NO government or BIG government. The party of the demagogues, you fit in perfectly.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 16:01:12 GMT -5
MP you are the king of the straw man. Taking everything to extremes and ignoring the argument presented. Stick with the scotch, just maybe drink less and have some on the rocks. You fit in well with the likes of wasserman Shultz and pelosi, democratic surrogates that continually deceive. Keep up the good work. It's always the same with you morons, it's NO government or BIG government. The party of the demagogues, you fit in perfectly. Extremes - run that by us with examples not your well rehearsed and over used rhetoric. Scotch - give me a break. I'm Irish! Guiness at 615pm at the pub. OBTW what was the argument you presented. I guess I f'd up your train of gibberish by throwing in facts that you,obviously cannot refute. What did you think you meant by "it's NO government or BIG government" - your words? ?? Thanks for the compliment - Debbie is an extremely bright, well spoken leader. Calling her a liar deserves an example - fire one back IF you can find one.
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Post by CellarRat on Feb 15, 2014 16:29:13 GMT -5
MP you are the king of the straw man. Taking everything to extremes and ignoring the argument presented. Stick with the scotch, just maybe drink less and have some on the rocks. You fit in well with the likes of wasserman Shultz and pelosi, democratic surrogates that continually deceive. Keep up the good work. It's always the same with you morons, it's NO government or BIG government. The party of the demagogues, you fit in perfectly. Extremes - run that by us with examples not your well rehearsed and over used rhetoric. Scotch - give me a break. I'm Irish! Guiness at 615pm at the pub. OBTW what was the argument you presented. I guess I f'd up your train of gibberish by throwing in facts that you,obviously cannot refute. What did you think you meant by "it's NO government or BIG government" - your words? ?? Thanks for the compliment - Debbie is an extremely bright, well spoken leader. Calling her a liar deserves an example - fire one back IF you can find one. You are hopeless MP. Please tell me more about the free stuff! ACA is free too? Is medicare free you fool? You are a socialist at best, you know the worst; own up to it. PLease please I want to hear more about the FREE stuff!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2014 16:37:00 GMT -5
Extremes - run that by us with examples not your well rehearsed and over used rhetoric. Scotch - give me a break. I'm Irish! Guiness at 615pm at the pub. OBTW what was the argument you presented. I guess I f'd up your train of gibberish by throwing in facts that you,obviously cannot refute. What did you think you meant by "it's NO government or BIG government" - your words? ?? Thanks for the compliment - Debbie is an extremely bright, well spoken leader. Calling her a liar deserves an example - fire one back IF you can find one. You are hopeless MP. Please tell me more about the free stuff! ACA is free too? Is medicare free you fool? You should enroll in it you old blind codger - no on second thought, it doesn't cover vision care! I told you what I paid for my Medicare so you know I know it's not free. ACA might as well be free, it's not costing me one extra red cent.
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