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Nov 10, 2013 18:49:48 GMT -5
Post by Tony on Nov 10, 2013 18:49:48 GMT -5
You tell me to "throw out career numbers" and all you do is throw numbers at me!!?? LOL Owen Wignot had a beter shooting percentage from the field, and the SAME % from the 3 pt line in his 4 years vs Robs 2 years. Now you wanna go into TOTALS when my guy played behind GREAT teammates, and your guy played with no one of any signifigance? I showed the career numbers, while you pick and choose a year here and there. Spin it anyway you want Tony, your boy has played two years at Siena and he's shot 36% from the field. Now what? that's a great shooter? LOL Poole has had MORE OPPORTUNITIES than Wignot. Not because he's better, but because he played with NO ONE hanging from the rafters!! Owen HAD to play the PF for this team, and thats a joke. Poole wouldn't have done anything on the Moore/Edwin/Alex teams.......nothing. Damn-- you keep going back and forth-- Owen played and started two years with the PW-- he never avg over 7 ppg. Poole has more points rebounds assists than Wignot got in 4 years. From a stat POV its not even close. If you think Owen was better than Poole.. God Bless ya-- you are about the only one I know that would say Poole isn't as good as a guy who avg 4.4ppg for his career..LOL
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Nov 10, 2013 19:00:21 GMT -5
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Post by clickclack on Nov 10, 2013 19:00:21 GMT -5
Outside observer who has seen both kids play... Give me Poole every day of the week... Surprised this is even an argument.
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Nov 10, 2013 19:07:52 GMT -5
Post by Tony on Nov 10, 2013 19:07:52 GMT -5
That's HJ problem- he must be one of those what have you done for me lately types-- yes Poole had a bad half, and no he will never be confused for Ubiles-- But Poole is a solid player "Done for me lately?" I gave you Pooles CAREER (the stats you told me don't matter? ) shooting percentage after 60+ games!!!! It's 36%!!!! Owens was 41% in his 100 games!! What's the confusion? And from the 3 pt line, after all these games,(and the only ones we have to go on) they shot EXACTLY the same!!! (.342%) Now I see whay you told me to throw these numbers out.......its like a cold glass of water in your face. Robs form is 100x better looking than Owens, but the results are better with the kid that was always in the background, because he never got a real opportunity because of how great his teammates were,. ps---Tony you proudly said Rob shot 40% from the 3 pt line one year......so if his CAREER % from there is 32% what did he shoot his OTHER year at Siena?? Or would you prefer we leave out his 27% from beyond the ARC his first year? LOL And who cares how many he makes? If he takes 100 and makes 32, thats better than Owen taking 50 and making 16?? REALLY? LMAO Listen Junkie this isn’t hard to understand Take Wignot’s last two years as a starter under PW ( and he was a junior and senior( and in fact Poole played on one of those teams) - compare them to Poole two years under PW as freshmen and sophomore and its no comparison Poole in landslide… Owen's last two years he didn’t play with Ublies Franklin Hasbrock Moore etc.. he played on losing teams. Spin that any way you want… Owen never had a avg ove 7.3 PPG despite playing on shitty teams his last two years his career avg is 4.4 .. his career numbers are extremely modest- but hey you keep spinning – you made a dumb statement and I called you on it. I think I made my point we can agree to disagree on this
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Nov 10, 2013 19:37:10 GMT -5
Post by musicman on Nov 10, 2013 19:37:10 GMT -5
I was trying to help you by going two years if you rather look at entire career it only gets worse for you. But since they both played two years for PW we can look at it both ways --- --I mean this is laughable, that you actually think Owen was better than Poole.. I'm not sure where you were looking Owen shot 31% from 3 his senior year..Poole shot 40% from 3-- ( yeah that,s close ) in 2 years Poole has more 3 pointers made than Owen made in his career ( Yeah another close one..LOL) Owen Avg 4.4 ppg over his entire career-- in fact Owen scored 541 points in 4 years in his first two years Poole had more points than Owen scored his entire career - lets end this right here-- career avg wignot 4.4 ppg 2.7 rpg 1 assit per game. a solid role player over entire career Poole . In two years 561 points 9,4 ( twice the PPG avg of Owen in fact Owen never averaged 9 points in a single year in his career 4 RPG ( almost twice the average of Owen ) Rob is better foul shooter and better passer _ yes you guessed it Rob has as many assist in two years as Owen did in 4 years I think you had the pea shooter cowpoke-- those numbers aren't even close You tell me to "throw out career numbers" and all you do is throw numbers at me!!?? LOL Owen Wignot had a beter shooting percentage from the field, and the SAME % from the 3 pt line in his 4 years vs Robs 2 years. Now you wanna go into TOTALS when my guy played behind GREAT teammates, and your guy played with no one of any signifigance? I showed the career numbers, while you pick and choose a year here and there. Spin it anyway you want Tony, your boy has played two years at Siena and he's shot 36% from the field. Now what? that's a great shooter? LOL Poole has had MORE OPPORTUNITIES than Wignot. Not because he's better, but because he played with NO ONE hanging from the rafters!! Owen HAD to play the PF for this team, and thats a joke. Poole wouldn't have done anything on the Moore/Edwin/Alex teams.......nothing. HJ, I don't understand your attitude toward Rob. I don't understand the animosity! My last comment on the subject (and I never bad -mouthed Owen, I loved the kid's heart) relates to who they played along-side. It's a hell of a lot easier to dish the ball outside to a shooter when the defense has to worry about other outstanding players like Owen played with. Rob hasn't had that luxury. You make it sound like there wasn't enough ball to go around for poor Owen. It's just the opposite, Rob has to work a lot harder to get open.
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Post by SaintsFan on Nov 10, 2013 19:50:26 GMT -5
In wignots defense. .. Let me know when poole plays the four
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Nov 10, 2013 20:00:06 GMT -5
Post by gorvy on Nov 10, 2013 20:00:06 GMT -5
This will probably be settled 10 years from now in the annual Siena alumni role player game.
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Nov 10, 2013 20:25:35 GMT -5
Post by Tony on Nov 10, 2013 20:25:35 GMT -5
In wignots defense. .. Let me know when poole plays the four Wignot was not a good rebounder he couldn't hang on to ball with his tiny hands. Kid had heart and was super athletic.. you guys might have had a point if he ever had normal sized hands for a 6'6" guy ,
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Nov 10, 2013 20:26:53 GMT -5
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Post by siena12077 on Nov 10, 2013 20:26:53 GMT -5
No the person on Ublies knows who he is..And I agree Eddy was most talented player ever to play at Siena. ( not the best that was Marc Brown) As for Wignot- Poole- not even close-- Foul shooting- Poole- 3 point shooting Poole- Rebounding==Poole by considerable margin - passing Poole by considerable margin- only thing I'll give you Owen was better athlete that was somewhat sidetracked because of his tiny hands. Poole has one bad half and all of a sudden he "stinks"... and I am very grounded on Poole's capability. He is our best player right now ( please note didn't say most talented said best) Wignot was a solid role player over his career. Poole will end up 3rd or 2nd team ALL MAAC before his career is over. Poole normally does very well( and that is play within himself) the Staff was harassing Poole to Shoot more Friday night-Hopefully that is the end of that. They need to run some plays for him or let game come to him, Robbie is not good at creating his own shot, about the only thing on floor he isn't good at and forget career avg.Wignot played two years for PW and so did Poole compare those numbers and its no contest Tony, so a guy that shoots 36% from the field for his career, is definitely a better shooter than a guy that shots 41% in his career? LOL In their careers, BOTH guys have shot 34% from the 3-pt line!!! So how does that make Poole a better shooter than Owen? Wow!!! Rebounding isn't fair, because Poole has played 31 min a game over his career and Owne only played 19 min a game over his. My point is simple. Owen played on great teams and he had to fight for his, but Poole has played on shitty teams, and has everything run for him, and he could play with no pressure on him, whereas Owen knew if he missed a shot am all-MAAC kid would probably come in to replace him! You can disagree all you want, but Pooles shooting numbers dont lie. I thought you drank a glass of the kool aid, now i see you drank the whole pitcher!! lmao Poole plays 5 min a game, like Owen, on the great teams of 5 years ago. Because he has no talent around him, you guys think he's a star! lol How can you say the rebounding stats are not fair but then fail to realize on FG% that wignot was always a 4th or 5th option on offense getting many looks where Poole has been 2-3rd option or 1st option this year where the focus of the defense is?
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Nov 10, 2013 20:28:01 GMT -5
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Post by siena12077 on Nov 10, 2013 20:28:01 GMT -5
No the person on Ublies knows who he is..And I agree Eddy was most talented player ever to play at Siena. ( not the best that was Marc Brown) As for Wignot- Poole- not even close-- Foul shooting- Poole- 3 point shooting Poole- Rebounding==Poole by considerable margin - passing Poole by considerable margin- only thing I'll give you Owen was better athlete that was somewhat sidetracked because of his tiny hands. Poole has one bad half and all of a sudden he "stinks"... and I am very grounded on Poole's capability. He is our best player right now ( please note didn't say most talented said best) Wignot was a solid role player over his career. Poole will end up 3rd or 2nd team ALL MAAC before his career is over. Poole normally does very well( and that is play within himself) the Staff was harassing Poole to Shoot more Friday night-Hopefully that is the end of that. They need to run some plays for him or let game come to him, Robbie is not good at creating his own shot, about the only thing on floor he isn't good at and forget career avg.Wignot played two years for PW and so did Poole compare those numbers and its no contest Tony, so a guy that shoots 36% from the field for his career, is definitely a better shooter than a guy that shots 41% in his career? LOL In their careers, BOTH guys have shot 34% from the 3-pt line!!! So how does that make Poole a better shooter than Owen? Wow!!! Rebounding isn't fair, because Poole has played 31 min a game over his career and Owne only played 19 min a game over his. My point is simple. Owen played on great teams and he had to fight for his, but Poole has played on shitty teams, and has everything run for him, and he could play with no pressure on him, whereas Owen knew if he missed a shot am all-MAAC kid would probably come in to replace him! You can disagree all you want, but Pooles shooting numbers dont lie. I thought you drank a glass of the kool aid, now i see you drank the whole pitcher!! lmao Poole plays 5 min a game, like Owen, on the great teams of 5 years ago. Because he has no talent around him, you guys think he's a star! lol How can you say the rebounding stats are not fair but then fail to realize on FG% that wignot was always a 4th or 5th option on offense getting many looks where Poole has been 2-3rd option or 1st option this year where the focus of the defense is?
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Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 10, 2013 21:23:15 GMT -5
Tony, so a guy that shoots 36% from the field for his career, is definitely a better shooter than a guy that shots 41% in his career? LOL In their careers, BOTH guys have shot 34% from the 3-pt line!!! So how does that make Poole a better shooter than Owen? Wow!!! Rebounding isn't fair, because Poole has played 31 min a game over his career and Owne only played 19 min a game over his. My point is simple. Owen played on great teams and he had to fight for his, but Poole has played on shitty teams, and has everything run for him, and he could play with no pressure on him, whereas Owen knew if he missed a shot am all-MAAC kid would probably come in to replace him! You can disagree all you want, but Pooles shooting numbers dont lie. I thought you drank a glass of the kool aid, now i see you drank the whole pitcher!! lmao Poole plays 5 min a game, like Owen, on the great teams of 5 years ago. Because he has no talent around him, you guys think he's a star! lol How can you say the rebounding stats are not fair but then fail to realize on FG% that wignot was always a 4th or 5th option on offense getting many looks where Poole has been 2-3rd option or 1st option this year where the focus of the defense is? I guess I'm a dummy, the guy that plays 31 minutes usually has MORE everything than the guy that plays 19 min a game. Shooting percentage is always fair because it's based on makes vs. takes. So when people argue, "Yeah, but Rob had more rebounds, assists and steals...." blah, blah, blah. Of course he does, he plays more, and he never played on a good team. That's always a lot easier to get those stats.
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Nov 10, 2013 21:36:01 GMT -5
Post by hockeyguy on Nov 10, 2013 21:36:01 GMT -5
Different strengths but it is arguable. Sometimes I wonder about you guys..Poole is no Ubiles ( a player some of you complained about) but he is a better scorer than Owen, a better shooter than Owen- a better rebounder and a better passer..am I missing anything? Explain what is arguable? Tony, remember that "floorburn" kid at Purdue who totaly took Siena out of the game with his intensity and defense? That is Rob Poole with a 3 point shot to boot. I don't know what was wrong with his sneakers, but he better get that fixed stat.. Jimmy's friends be damned. The kid can play, and yes carry the team on his back. Mark it down... 11/10/13 .. hockeyguy.
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Nov 10, 2013 21:41:55 GMT -5
Post by hankla on Nov 10, 2013 21:41:55 GMT -5
Please end this lunacy. It does nothing for the readers of this board comparing two good young men who were and are what they are as players. The team's roster is the hand that Jim was dealt plus the cards he has drawn ( the freshmen). Personally I'm much more interested in topics such as what the players on top 25 teams do to get suspended and reinstated or are there any Junior college players who have the talent, the academics and the character to get recruited by Siena?
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Post by hockeyguy on Nov 10, 2013 21:57:49 GMT -5
I think most of you guys need to upgrade your seats (even the "owned suites") to see both ends of the game. Poole is a warrior, plain and simple, and a good one at that. The kid has the heart and the skill to be a first teamer... hockeyguy 11/10/13 And thank you Mr Clack for your unbiased assesment.
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Post by greengold4ever on Nov 10, 2013 22:15:35 GMT -5
Sometimes I wonder about you guys..Poole is no Ubiles ( a player some of you complained about) but he is a better scorer than Owen, a better shooter than Owen- a better rebounder and a better passer..am I missing anything? Explain what is arguable? Tony, remember that "floorburn" kid at Purdue who totaly took Siena out of the game with his intensity and defense? That is Rob Poole with a 3 point shot to boot. I don't know what was wrong with his sneakers, but he better get that fixed stat.. Jimmy's friends be damned. The kid can play, and yes carry the team on his back. Mark it down... 11/10/13 .. hockeyguy. just hold on here, that is lunacy............you are talking about Chris Kramer of Purdue, he was a 4 time all-defensive team player in the Big 10 AND won defensive player of the year TWICE in that league.............no way is Poole even close to that caliber of player nor as tough/intense.............this is no knock on Robbie, I am a big supporter, but there is no proper comparison to Kramer, who was a wrecking crew alone in that NCAA game against us!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by th24 on Nov 10, 2013 22:45:17 GMT -5
Poole works plays hard in every game. I wish I had seen that kinda intensity with Jackson.
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