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Post by OneIndian on Nov 10, 2013 9:48:58 GMT -5
I said this before and ill say it again if I'm JP I'm looking for the next Ubiles an athletic long wing ( ya I know Eddie was a freak). But Coach looks like he can recruit so I bet he can find a guy. We also need another PG, Maybe the Taplin kid.
All the other parts are coming together nicely. I like JO in the post. Long already looks to be a Franklin/Haddix type player, White Scoup Jordon and Wright are solid. We're moving in the right direction people.
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Post by bigsaintg on Nov 10, 2013 9:56:01 GMT -5
I bet Poole has bigger hands than Wignot
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Post by gorvy on Nov 10, 2013 9:56:15 GMT -5
I disagree with a previous comment about JP's quick substitutions. JP would pull a kid who made a mistake or missed an assignment and then he or an assistant would coach/teach the player and get them back in. I saw more coaching going on in that one game than I had in the previous three. This bodes very well for our future. One concern I have is that it is going to very difficlut to play any form of pressing man to man this year with what was clearly reinforced Friday against an AE team - instead of us being able to go 10 deep, we really only have the freshman and one or two other players who can play man to man defense against D-1 players. It is painfully obvious that outside of the freshman, we might have trouble beating St. Rose. This will defintiely be a re-building year (altho it looks like an exciting one!), but with JP, the freshaman base and hopefully several scholarhips opening up, the future should be much better than our recent past and the present. As for "forcing players out", those players also want to fulfill their dream of playing college ball, so it is better for them to be able to find a school at an appropriate level where they can compete instead of sitting the bench for four years at a level at which they cannot compete. Excellent post. Many don't recognize that the returning talent level is flat out poor.. and a guy like Poole, a complimentary player, is being asked to be the star. As the youth gain experience I see roles shifting considerably. Still need two up recruits in the next class I agree that Poole would be a complementary player on most championship teams for his contributions to the overall performance of the team, but I compliment him on his usually solid performances because he deserves some praise. I know he can play better than he did last night and we will win a lot of games with him out there the next two years.
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Nov 10, 2013 10:00:42 GMT -5
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Post by OneIndian on Nov 10, 2013 10:00:42 GMT -5
Excellent post. Many don't recognize that the returning talent level is flat out poor.. and a guy like Poole, a complimentary player, is being asked to be the star. As the youth gain experience I see roles shifting considerably. Still need two up recruits in the next class I agree that Poole would be a complementary player on most championship teams for his contributions to the overall performance of the team, but I compliment him on his usually solid performances because he deserves some praise. I know he can play better than he did last night and we will win a lot of games with him out there the next two years. Poole is a better shorter squared up problem is when he comes off screens and does the catch and shoot he always leaning/fading & missing. He has to stop get his feet set sq up and shoot.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 10, 2013 10:20:31 GMT -5
Different strengths but it is arguable. Sometimes I wonder about you guys..Poole is no Ubiles ( a player some of you complained about) but he is a better scorer than Owen, a better shooter than Owen- a better rebounder and a better passer..am I missing anything? Explain what is arguable? How is Poole a better shooter than Owen? Their 3 pt % is identical over their career (34.2) and Wignots overall FG % is much better (41 to 36). It's all an illusion Tony!! Don't drink the Kool Aid!! lol Rebounds per minute played would be very close, but lets remember who Wignot was fighting for rebounds with, and vice-versa!! lol I think Owen was a better defender too, which is hard to see in a box score. Athletically, not even close. Owen was an honorary brother, like Richie Incognito! I wish Owen got to be "featured" like Poole has been in the past! I guess my point is, if i can make a n argument for a ROLE PLAYER on a great team being as good a s our "star" this year, it makes ya wonder no? ps--and who knocked Edwin? BEST player to ever play at Siena. So I know you aren't talking about me.
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Post by Tony on Nov 10, 2013 10:35:36 GMT -5
No the person on Ublies knows who he is..And I agree Eddy was most talented player ever to play at Siena. ( not the best that was Marc Brown) As for Wignot- Poole- not even close-- Foul shooting- Poole- 3 point shooting Poole- Rebounding==Poole by considerable margin - passing Poole by considerable margin- only thing I'll give you Owen was better athlete that was somewhat sidetracked because of his tiny hands. Poole has one bad half and all of a sudden he "stinks"... and I am very grounded on Poole's capability. He is our best player right now ( please note didn't say most talented said best) Wignot was a solid role player over his career. Poole will end up 3rd or 2nd team ALL MAAC before his career is over. Poole normally does very well( and that is play within himself) the Staff was harassing Poole to Shoot more Friday night-Hopefully that is the end of that. They need to run some plays for him or let game come to him, Robbie is not good at creating his own shot, about the only thing on floor he isn't good at
and forget career avg.Wignot played two years for PW and so did Poole compare those numbers and its no contest
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Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 10, 2013 11:31:08 GMT -5
No the person on Ublies knows who he is..And I agree Eddy was most talented player ever to play at Siena. ( not the best that was Marc Brown) As for Wignot- Poole- not even close-- Foul shooting- Poole- 3 point shooting Poole- Rebounding==Poole by considerable margin - passing Poole by considerable margin- only thing I'll give you Owen was better athlete that was somewhat sidetracked because of his tiny hands. Poole has one bad half and all of a sudden he "stinks"... and I am very grounded on Poole's capability. He is our best player right now ( please note didn't say most talented said best) Wignot was a solid role player over his career. Poole will end up 3rd or 2nd team ALL MAAC before his career is over. Poole normally does very well( and that is play within himself) the Staff was harassing Poole to Shoot more Friday night-Hopefully that is the end of that. They need to run some plays for him or let game come to him, Robbie is not good at creating his own shot, about the only thing on floor he isn't good at and forget career avg.Wignot played two years for PW and so did Poole compare those numbers and its no contest Tony, so a guy that shoots 36% from the field for his career, is definitely a better shooter than a guy that shots 41% in his career? LOL In their careers, BOTH guys have shot 34% from the 3-pt line!!! So how does that make Poole a better shooter than Owen? Wow!!! Rebounding isn't fair, because Poole has played 31 min a game over his career and Owne only played 19 min a game over his. My point is simple. Owen played on great teams and he had to fight for his, but Poole has played on shitty teams, and has everything run for him, and he could play with no pressure on him, whereas Owen knew if he missed a shot am all-MAAC kid would probably come in to replace him! You can disagree all you want, but Pooles shooting numbers dont lie. I thought you drank a glass of the kool aid, now i see you drank the whole pitcher!! lmao Poole plays 5 min a game, like Owen, on the great teams of 5 years ago. Because he has no talent around him, you guys think he's a star! lol
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Nov 10, 2013 11:39:59 GMT -5
Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 10, 2013 11:39:59 GMT -5
I love your, "forget the career numbers" line. WHY? Because its shows how wrong you are? I just did go back and look at Owens last two years and his numbers get BETTER, (42.6 fg%, and his 3 pt % went up to 34.4) and Pooles obviously stay the same (36% and 34%), below average.
You bought a pea shotter to a gun fight. It's amazing how campaigning, and all star teams crap can cloud peoples judgement! smh
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Post by musicman on Nov 10, 2013 12:01:38 GMT -5
If used appropriately... poole is a fine weapon. Owen Wignot is better than Rob Poole. Owen might have been a superior athlete, I think Rob is the better basketball player. Owen could jump thru the ceiling for sure. As a shooter, he's another example of many players that can "shoot well" but were never gamers. Each year I anticipated him breaking out, he just never quite got there. We saw small samples. A think Rob has the ability to light it up, maybe not every game but he should be a solid 10-14 a game in my opinion. He did force the issue second half, but I think he's going to have a good year. As the roster rotation settles in, Rob's numbers and game should get more consistent.
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Post by musicman on Nov 10, 2013 12:19:04 GMT -5
No the person on Ublies knows who he is..And I agree Eddy was most talented player ever to play at Siena. ( not the best that was Marc Brown) As for Wignot- Poole- not even close-- Foul shooting- Poole- 3 point shooting Poole- Rebounding==Poole by considerable margin - passing Poole by considerable margin- only thing I'll give you Owen was better athlete that was somewhat sidetracked because of his tiny hands. Poole has one bad half and all of a sudden he "stinks"... and I am very grounded on Poole's capability. He is our best player right now ( please note didn't say most talented said best) Wignot was a solid role player over his career. Poole will end up 3rd or 2nd team ALL MAAC before his career is over. Poole normally does very well( and that is play within himself) the Staff was harassing Poole to Shoot more Friday night-Hopefully that is the end of that. They need to run some plays for him or let game come to him, Robbie is not good at creating his own shot, about the only thing on floor he isn't good at and forget career avg.Wignot played two years for PW and so did Poole compare those numbers and its no contest Tony, so a guy that shoots 36% from the field for his career, is definitely a better shooter than a guy that shots 41% in his career? LOL In their careers, BOTH guys have shot 34% from the 3-pt line!!! So how does that make Poole a better shooter than Owen? Wow!!! Rebounding isn't fair, because Poole has played 31 min a game over his career and Owne only played 19 min a game over his. My point is simple. Owen played on great teams and he had to fight for his, but Poole has played on shitty teams, and has everything run for him, and he could play with no pressure on him, whereas Owen knew if he missed a shot am all-MAAC kid would probably come in to replace him! You can disagree all you want, but Pooles shooting numbers dont lie. I thought you drank a glass of the kool aid, now i see you drank the whole pitcher!! lmao Poole plays 5 min a game, like Owen, on the great teams of 5 years ago. Because he has no talent around him, you guys think he's a star! lol HJ, let's be fair here. Rob has played for two years in a bad situation. Played to exhaustion one season, put in a situation where his stats are going to be poor. Last year, being sick and weakened, he played thru it and never complaining. He never fully recovered the lost weight and strength. This isn't BS , it's facts. Now you want to compare his stats (2 years) to Owen's 4 year career, come on, let's be fair to the kid. Make this comparison at the end of his senior year and I might think it has relevance
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Nov 10, 2013 12:19:36 GMT -5
Post by greengold4ever on Nov 10, 2013 12:19:36 GMT -5
Owen Wignot is better than Rob Poole. Owen might have been a superior athlete, I think Rob is the better basketball player. Owen could jump thru the ceiling for sure. As a shooter, he's another example of many players that can "shoot well" but were never gamers. Each year I anticipated him breaking out, he just never quite got there. We saw small samples. A think Rob has the ability to light it up, maybe not every game but he should be a solid 10-14 a game in my opinion. He did force the issue second half, but I think he's going to have a good year. As the roster rotation settles in, Rob's numbers and game should get more consistent. I have to agree with the athlete & basketball player comparison............although, Owen was indeed a "gamer", he was very intense and a more aggressive defender than Poole is.........................he made some explosive hops to the basket but rarely finished his dunks, it was rather frustrating to see that happen time and time again........if left open, Wiggie could hit the 3 at a decent clip!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 10, 2013 12:24:46 GMT -5
Tony, so a guy that shoots 36% from the field for his career, is definitely a better shooter than a guy that shots 41% in his career? LOL In their careers, BOTH guys have shot 34% from the 3-pt line!!! So how does that make Poole a better shooter than Owen? Wow!!! Rebounding isn't fair, because Poole has played 31 min a game over his career and Owne only played 19 min a game over his. My point is simple. Owen played on great teams and he had to fight for his, but Poole has played on shitty teams, and has everything run for him, and he could play with no pressure on him, whereas Owen knew if he missed a shot am all-MAAC kid would probably come in to replace him! You can disagree all you want, but Pooles shooting numbers dont lie. I thought you drank a glass of the kool aid, now i see you drank the whole pitcher!! lmao Poole plays 5 min a game, like Owen, on the great teams of 5 years ago. Because he has no talent around him, you guys think he's a star! lol HJ, let's be fair here. Rob has played for two years in a bad situation. Played to exhaustion one season, put in a situation where his stats are going to be poor. Last year, being sick and weaken.ed, playing thru it and never complaining. He never fully recovered weight and strength. This isn't BS , it's facts. Now you want to compare his stats (2 years) to Owen's 4 year career, come on, let's be fair to the kid. Make this comparison at the end of his senior year and I might think it has relevance And Owen didn't play for Mitch? lol Stop making excuses for this kid. I'll agree he LOOKS the part, and Owen never did, but Rob just doesn't get it done. Period. We all want him to be Scott Knapp. He isn't. After two years his shooting percentage is 36%.....that's not good. Color it anyway you want. He looked bad in "the" game in his junior year, and still excuses. For Christ sakes, he couldn't even stay on his feet most of the time.
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Nov 10, 2013 12:25:51 GMT -5
Post by musicman on Nov 10, 2013 12:25:51 GMT -5
Owen might have been a superior athlete, I think Rob is the better basketball player. Owen could jump thru the ceiling for sure. As a shooter, he's another example of many players that can "shoot well" but were never gamers. Each year I anticipated him breaking out, he just never quite got there. We saw small samples. A think Rob has the ability to light it up, maybe not every game but he should be a solid 10-14 a game in my opinion. He did force the issue second half, but I think he's going to have a good year. As the roster rotation settles in, Rob's numbers and game should get more consistent. I have to agree with the athlete & basketball player comparison............although, Owen was indeed a "gamer", he was very intense and a more aggressive defender than Poole is.........................he made some explosive hops to the basket but rarely finished his dunks, it was rather frustrating to see that happen time and time again........if left open, Wiggie could hit the 3 at a decent clip!!!!!!!!!!!! I agree totally. If he had time to set his feet and not rush his shot, Owen was sweet from that corner. As a defender, I loved his intensity.
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Post by Tony on Nov 10, 2013 12:28:35 GMT -5
I love your, "forget the career numbers" line. WHY? Because its shows how wrong you are? I just did go back and look at Owens last two years and his numnbers get BETTER, (42.6 fg%, and his 3 pt % went up to 34.4) and Pooles obviously stay the same (36% and 34%), below average. You bought a pea shotter to a gun fight. It's amazing how campaigning, and all star teams crap can cloud peoples judgement! smh I was trying to help you by going two years if you rather look at entire career it only gets worse for you. But since they both played two years for PW we can look at it both ways --- --I mean this is laughable, that you actually think Owen was better than Poole.. I'm not sure where you were looking Owen shot 31% from 3 his senior year..Poole shot 40% from 3-- ( yeah that,s close ) in 2 years Poole has more 3 pointers made than Owen made in his career ( Yeah another close one..LOL) Owen Avg 4.4 ppg over his entire career-- in fact Owen scored 541 points in 4 years in his first two years Poole had more points than Owen scored his entire career - lets end this right here-- career avg wignot 4.4 ppg 2.7 rpg 1 assit per game. a solid role player over entire career Poole . In two years 561 points 9,4 ( twice the PPG avg of Owen in fact Owen never averaged 9 points in a single year in his career 4 RPG ( almost twice the average of Owen ) Rob is better foul shooter and better passer _ yes you guessed it Rob has as many assist in two years as Owen did in 4 years I think you had the pea shooter cowpoke-- those numbers aren't even close
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Post by musicman on Nov 10, 2013 12:31:18 GMT -5
HJ, let's be fair here. Rob has played for two years in a bad situation. Played to exhaustion one season, put in a situation where his stats are going to be poor. Last year, being sick and weaken.ed, playing thru it and never complaining. He never fully recovered weight and strength. This isn't BS , it's facts. Now you want to compare his stats (2 years) to Owen's 4 year career, come on, let's be fair to the kid. Make this comparison at the end of his senior year and I might think it has relevance And Owen didn't play for Mitch? lol Stop making excuses for this kid. I'll agree he LOOKS the part, and Owen never did, but Rob just doesn't get it done. Period. We all want him to be Scott Knapp. He isn't. After two years his shooting percentage is 36%.....that's not good. Color it anyway you want. He looked bad in "the" game in his junior year, and still excuses. For Christ sakes, he couldn't even stay on his feet most of the time. Hey, be a hard ass, ignore the reality of those two years. He's got two seasons to prove you wrong. He had a bad 2nd half, for sure. I'm expecting more of what I saw the first half.
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