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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2013 18:57:51 GMT -5
If we start an all freshmen backcourt and Hymes does not play significant minutes this team will finish under .500. If Hymes plays significant minutes, this team will finish under .500. Not necessarily true if Wright and White start.
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Post by Tony on Aug 29, 2013 19:00:06 GMT -5
If we start an all freshmen backcourt and Hymes does not play significant minutes this team will finish under .500. I agree Hymes will start-- but White will play significant minutes at the two, he brings some things to the 2 that no other player on roster has. With Silas- Bisping and JO I highly doubt we will see Lavon at the 5--
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Post by OneIndian on Aug 29, 2013 19:02:13 GMT -5
If we start an all freshmen backcourt and Hymes does not play significant minutes this team will finish under .500. I don't agree. I like Hymes off the bench. Need a backup PG. White has a college body already. Brings size and toughness to the 2 spot. Who knows maybe we get lucky and Cole gets a waiver. That would fix the 2 spot issues. What we need to do next is recruit a long athletic wing like an Eddie type. I like Long at the 4, the 5 spot is up for grabs Imoh, Brett and JO.
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Post by gorvy on Aug 29, 2013 19:03:40 GMT -5
Given where the team is at collectively at this point, I think it will be a major stretch for Siena to finish above .500 in any circumstance. Hymes is undervalued on this board though.
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Post by MTS on Aug 29, 2013 19:15:02 GMT -5
The program wrecker also wrecked some of our fans too. Gorvy was once one of the more positive people! What happened?! I know people will have to see to believe...but I do think everyone will see the program is headed in the right direction after this season is over and will surprise everyone nicely with our win/loss record. I'm not saying we're a lock to finish over .500 (tough OOC schedule and needed a bunch of frosh to play well) but major stretch? I disagree...we're still talking about MAAC competition not A10 (Though I hope that changes eventually!) Coaching and a PG mean EVERYTHING in this league and now I do believe we have both.
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Post by bigfan on Aug 29, 2013 19:40:05 GMT -5
Hockeyguy trolling like no other. Lavon Long will play 30 minutes a night for this team at the 3. Maurice White will be the 2 and Poole will move back to the 3. From what I've seen so far, there is no 2 on this team that can give Siena what White will give night in and night out. He is also strong and quick enough to play most 3's in the MAAC. JP already knows who will be at the 2 spot. The current guards are place holders for his spot. Long will get time at the 4 and 5 but must avoid foul trouble to stay on the floor. Don't bother posting an argument against this assertion. This was just bait for PPC. She wisely hasn't taken it.
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Post by hockeyguy on Aug 29, 2013 19:40:25 GMT -5
Hockeyguy trolling like no other. Lavon Long will play 30 minutes a night for this team at the 3. You could be right, a little light on your rationale as to why it will happen, but you could be right.
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Post by hoopfan1988 on Aug 29, 2013 20:56:25 GMT -5
Maurice White will be the 2 and Poole will move back to the 3. From what I've seen so far, there is no 2 on this team that can give Siena what White will give night in and night out. He is also strong and quick enough to play most 3's in the MAAC. JP already knows who will be at the 2 spot. The current guards are place holders for his spot. Long will get time at the 4 and 5 but must avoid foul trouble to stay on the floor. Don't bother posting an argument against this assertion. This was just bait for PPC. She wisely hasn't taken it. Bigfan my post just state my opinion not baiting PPC at all. I know White and Long's game very well. I've had the chance to watch both kids since their younger AAU days. Also, I followed Loyola when Patsos took over. Patsos will not start Hymes and Wright together at their size. White gives Siena a little more at the off guard spot since he can rebound, defend, and score. He can defend bigger guards that would cause a problem for Hymes or Wright. I've also watched Patsos go small at Loyola with Epperley at 6'7" being his tallest player on the floor. He could do the same with Long in an up tempo offense. He will get his minutes this year because he is a glue guy. Teams always need that type of player. His stats aren't always impressive but does things to help you win. There is no dispute in the Baltimore area that Long had a tendency to pick up quick fouls when he played on the block at St Joe. He was and is an aggressive defender. He got better at avoiding foul trouble at Oakland Mill but the competition level was not the same. I also think playing part of the game away from the paint helped. This season will tell if there is improvement in that area. White can score, but he will need to work on his shot selection. His aggressiveness can be a plus and minus at times trying to score the ball. His effort overshadows his mistakes.
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Post by hooligan on Aug 29, 2013 21:39:32 GMT -5
Don't bother posting an argument against this assertion. This was just bait for PPC. She wisely hasn't taken it. Bigfan my post just state my opinion not baiting PPC at all. I know White and Long's game very well. I've had the chance to watch both kids since their younger AAU days. Also, I followed Loyola when Patsos took over. Patsos will not start Hymes and Wright together at their size. White gives Siena a little more at the off guard spot since he can rebound, defend, and score. He can defend bigger guards that would cause a problem for Hymes or Wright. I've also watched Patsos go small at Loyola with Epperley at 6'7" being his tallest player on the floor. He could do the same with Long in an up tempo offense. He will get his minutes this year because he is a glue guy. Teams always need that type of player. His stats aren't always impressive but does things to help you win. There is no dispute in the Baltimore area that Long had a tendency to pick up quick fouls when he played on the block at St Joe. He was and is an aggressive defender. He got better at avoiding foul trouble at Oakland Mill but the competition level was not the same. I also think playing part of the game away from the paint helped. This season will tell if there is improvement in that area. White can score, but he will need to work on his shot selection. His aggressiveness can be a plus and minus at times trying to score the ball. His effort overshadows his mistakes. I'm scared....
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Post by bigfan on Aug 29, 2013 21:47:42 GMT -5
Don't bother posting an argument against this assertion. This was just bait for PPC. She wisely hasn't taken it. Bigfan my post just state my opinion not baiting PPC at all. I know White and Long's game very well. I've had the chance to watch both kids since their younger AAU days. Also, I followed Loyola when Patsos took over. Patsos will not start Hymes and Wright together at their size. White gives Siena a little more at the off guard spot since he can rebound, defend, and score. He can defend bigger guards that would cause a problem for Hymes or Wright. I've also watched Patsos go small at Loyola with Epperley at 6'7" being his tallest player on the floor. He could do the same with Long in an up tempo offense. He will get his minutes this year because he is a glue guy. Teams always need that type of player. His stats aren't always impressive but does things to help you win. There is no dispute in the Baltimore area that Long had a tendency to pick up quick fouls when he played on the block at St Joe. He was and is an aggressive defender. He got better at avoiding foul trouble at Oakland Mill but the competition level was not the same. I also think playing part of the game away from the paint helped. This season will tell if there is improvement in that area. White can score, but he will need to work on his shot selection. His aggressiveness can be a plus and minus at times trying to score the ball. His effort overshadows his mistakes. Appreciate the insight, but have to disagree about Long playing any substantial time at the 5 now that he is in college. Saints have enough size and depth that he shouldn't need to fill that role very often. It should be interesting over time to see whether he ends up playing more at the 2 or the 5 over the course of the season. I don't think he'll see a lot of time at either position.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 29, 2013 22:23:43 GMT -5
Bigfan my post just state my opinion not baiting PPC at all. I know White and Long's game very well. I've had the chance to watch both kids since their younger AAU days. Also, I followed Loyola when Patsos took over. Patsos will not start Hymes and Wright together at their size. White gives Siena a little more at the off guard spot since he can rebound, defend, and score. He can defend bigger guards that would cause a problem for Hymes or Wright. I've also watched Patsos go small at Loyola with Epperley at 6'7" being his tallest player on the floor. He could do the same with Long in an up tempo offense. He will get his minutes this year because he is a glue guy. Teams always need that type of player. His stats aren't always impressive but does things to help you win. There is no dispute in the Baltimore area that Long had a tendency to pick up quick fouls when he played on the block at St Joe. He was and is an aggressive defender. He got better at avoiding foul trouble at Oakland Mill but the competition level was not the same. I also think playing part of the game away from the paint helped. This season will tell if there is improvement in that area. White can score, but he will need to work on his shot selection. His aggressiveness can be a plus and minus at times trying to score the ball. His effort overshadows his mistakes. Appreciate the insight, but have to disagree about Long playing any substantial time at the 5 now that he is in college. Saints have enough size and depth that he shouldn't need to fill that role very often. It should be interesting over time to see whether he ends up playing more at the 2 or the 5 over the course of the season. I don't think he'll see a lot of time at either position. Lavon played 3/4 in all 5 games...that is how Patsos will use him most this year.
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Post by SaintsFan on Aug 30, 2013 7:10:46 GMT -5
If we start an all freshmen backcourt and Hymes does not play significant minutes this team will finish under .500. If Hymes plays significant minutes, this team will finish under .500. Not necessarily true if Wright and White start. i tend to agree with Gorvy on many things but this is not one of them. If this team is forced to rely heavily on Hymes it will go nowhere fast. His best role at this level is as a backup spark. I would rather take the time to see others develop their roles even it means taking some lumps now... the payoff later will be far better than hymes starting at the two for two more years. Hymes can play significant minutes backing up both the 1 and 2 and average somewhere around 18-22 minutes. If he is closer to 30... it will most likely not be a good result. siena is going to have to get Poole his minutes. Judging by performance Lavon Long is going to have to get his minutes. I would rather see Poole at the two than Hymes and i dont want to see Poole logging a ton of minutes at the two. Now... given the relatively weak schedule... poole at the two could work THIS year. What happens next year? lineups i like at this point Wright Poole Long Silas Bisping Wright Poole Long Ogunyemi Bisping as White gets added to the mix replace Poole with white and Long with Poole. That brings in the question of how do you keep long off the floor... and if not then you replace the 4 with Long and Siena should really be able to push the pace with that team.
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Post by Tony on Aug 30, 2013 7:17:36 GMT -5
I guess I disagree with that- we are young and inexperienced Hymes and Poole have the only significant D1 experience on the roster—especially early I expect Hymes to start and back up the point- so he should get 30 min a game- I guess it depends on how White develops – if he develops then we could see something like what happened Moore’s freshmen year when he replaced Tay in the starting lineup in what was it mid to late December? That shifted Tay to 6th man—either way I expect Hymes to get significant minutes this year
And I should add I'd change my opinion on that if Cole gets the Waiver
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Post by hoopjunkie on Aug 30, 2013 7:35:21 GMT -5
If we start an all freshmen backcourt and Hymes does not play significant minutes this team will finish under .500. If Hymes plays significant minutes, this team will finish under .500. Not necessarily true if Wright and White start. If this team finishes above .500 this season it'll be a miracle. Very young and I expect to get beat inside by most teams. Schedule is brutal too. This Canadian trip was like playing the D-3's around here. Doesn't mean much. Fans can to be optimistic, but let's try to to keep it real too.
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Post by greenblood on Aug 30, 2013 7:54:23 GMT -5
The program wrecker also wrecked some of our fans too. Gorvy was once one of the more positive people! What happened?! I know people will have to see to believe...but I do think everyone will see the program is headed in the right direction after this season is over and will surprise everyone nicely with our win/loss record. I'm not saying we're a lock to finish over .500 (tough OOC schedule and needed a bunch of frosh to play well) but major stretch? I disagree...we're still talking about MAAC competition not A10 (Though I hope that changes eventually!) Coaching and a PG mean EVERYTHING in this league and now I do believe we have both. MTS- I think Gorvy is a true realist. While I agree things are on the upswing, there is still much work to be done. It's not like the rest of the MAAC was standing still waiting for us to get back on track after the three year experiment. Manhattan and Iona will be very strong this year, while Niagara is in somewhat disarray, the other half of the Buffalo trip which is early will surely be difficult, Quinny and Monmouth have a ton to prove. I'll take competing, and finishing .500 and be thrilled realistically.
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