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Post by Sienafan on Sept 4, 2013 18:03:37 GMT -5
Hymes will probably play 25-30 minutes a game. He'll get 10-15 backing up Marquis (who gets 25-30 all at the point) at PG and 15 as the starter at SG. Jimmy probably doesn't want to start an all-freshman backcourt at least to start the season and I can understand that. Now maybe White will play well enough to start down the road but for now I'd expect Evan to start. Poole will be at SF. I think PF and center are up for grabs. I'd go with Lavon as a face-up 4 man and Bisping. Bisping's shooting ability could get us some match-up advantages like Josh Duell did at center. I like the versatility of the team. Jimmy can also elect to slide Poole to SG and play Long at SF and go big. Lavon will play the 4 if that's what the team needs but he is not a face up 4 as that title means he cant handle the ball...and we all know that is not accurate....once again he will sacrifice his game for the sake of the team without hesitation and that would be due to his size and strength not lack of skill...he would have to go to a BCS school to do anything else it seems That is not what the term face-up power forward means. It has no bearing on ball-handling ability. A Power Forward who scores the majority of their points off Jumpshots and Drives to the Hoop, rather than Posting Up with their Back to the Basket, is often referred to as a Face-Up Power Forward. I think the term suits Lavon to a tee. Plenty of such players can handle the ball, hence the origin of the term point forward.
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Post by OneIndian on Sept 4, 2013 18:04:03 GMT -5
It's absolutely ridiculous to start your only true backup pg at the 2. Hymes has proven to be a somewhat fragile player, injuries, cramping etc.... He's better suited to come of the bench to give Wright a blow or for an offensive spark. I don't see the benefit of playing him out of position. How many teams are playing a 5' 7" shooting guard in Di? Not many and for good reason! I can see why you don’t want Hymes starting because of his size—but to call a kid that has been among the national leaders in minutes played the last 2 years somewhat fragile is misleading – he played all 31 games as a freshmen played avg of 37 min a game , 31 of 32 games last year avg 34 min a game- so in two years he missed 1 game hardly fragile. And let me repeat Hymes is one of only two players with significant D1` experience and he is a proven D1 scorer. Listen I hope White takes the spot—but it won’t be given to him – if White is good enough to take the spot—to me that’s a plus for the team I know he played a lot of minutes but freak accident or not the kid is hurt 2 scrimmage games into the season. He's little and slightly built he can't take the pounding a bigger kid can take its just the way it is..... Why risk it w/ your only backup pg, he goes down for the year we're in trouble. He's been out at some pt during the season every year since year 1. And if he's not out he's breaking down at some point during the game/yr. I'm not saying dont play him but rather pick your spots. He'll get his minutes but I would play him 20 min max I'm not saying give the keys to White from the get go but we have options at the 2 to get White up to speed or at least see what he's got..... BTW I'm not contesting Evan's heart, he does give it his all!
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Post by hoopster on Sept 4, 2013 18:37:35 GMT -5
Hymes will probably play 25-30 minutes a game. He'll get 10-15 backing up Marquis (who gets 25-30 all at the point) at PG and 15 as the starter at SG. Jimmy probably doesn't want to start an all-freshman backcourt at least to start the season and I can understand that. Now maybe White will play well enough to start down the road but for now I'd expect Evan to start. Poole will be at SF. I think PF and center are up for grabs. I'd go with Lavon as a face-up 4 man and Bisping. Bisping's shooting ability could get us some match-up advantages like Josh Duell did at center. I like the versatility of the team. Jimmy can also elect to slide Poole to SG and play Long at SF and go big. You still live in Maryland player parent coach
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Post by hoopster on Sept 4, 2013 18:46:09 GMT -5
Hymes aside and, believe me, we need Hymes this year. At this point, Oliver is just getting his legs back under him. This is a kid who we all know can shoot. He just hasn't had the time the floor to get into a groove. What people also don't realize is this kid is extremely cool under pressure. In high school he rarely turned it over. Last year, he generally played under control and in Montreal he had 10 assists vs. 7 TO. Even Audu played pretty under control in Montreal 8 assists 6 TOs. We just don't know what White will be able to give us as a frosh. you are correct again ....after watching pickup today I had to accept that the logjam at the 2 pushes Poole to starting at the 3....Oliver and Audu looked much more comfortable than they did in the summer....they are sophmores that are more ready to deal with a DI schedule of classes, practice and travel....all of that counts....That's why I a good with whatever Patsos decides to do with Lavon....the less pressure on a freshman the better
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 18:54:48 GMT -5
And you give up buckets w/ Hymes on D and burn him out as a backup, WHY? . Start Oliver or Audu let White get his feat wet and see what happens! Look for Hymes to average 12-15 ppg now that he's relieved of ball handling duties. What other player is going to give you that at the 2? I don't get all those advocating the benching of Hymes. Dude is gonna be the team's second leading scorer (if not the first). This team needs him on the floor. I don't like that he's like 5'7, 150 either. But he's the best the got at the start of this season. Perhaps that changes down the line. But let's let go of the White starting fantasy. No one knows what the kid can even do at this point and there's no way Siena starts an all-freshman backcourt. That's a certain recipe for disaster. What does benching mean to you? Not starting? It means not playing at all to me. The fact remains, Hymes is the only legit option to backup Wright.
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Post by OneIndian on Sept 4, 2013 19:15:42 GMT -5
Look for Hymes to average 12-15 ppg now that he's relieved of ball handling duties. What other player is going to give you that at the 2? I don't get all those advocating the benching of Hymes. Dude is gonna be the team's second leading scorer (if not the first). This team needs him on the floor. I don't like that he's like 5'7, 150 either. But he's the best the got at the start of this season. Perhaps that changes down the line. But let's let go of the White starting fantasy. No one knows what the kid can even do at this point and there's no way Siena starts an all-freshman backcourt. That's a certain recipe for disaster. What does benching mean to you? Not starting? It means not playing at all to me. The fact remains, Hymes is the only legit option to backup Wright. FINALLY................ Someone who gets the severity of the situation if we go back to having only one true pg. Why risk it. What very short memories. Again use Hymes as the backup to Wright and let him come in in a Tay F type role . He'll get his minutes and pts!
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Post by SaintsFan on Sept 4, 2013 22:14:08 GMT -5
. No way Hymes starts before White. He will give Wright and White a break. Only thing I'll say about that is Hymes is a proven double digit scorer in this conference- he has two college seasons under his belt- I would be happy if White is good enough to take starting spot away from him-- either way I expect White to play a lot of minutes this year hymes has only proven to me that if allowed to touch the ball for entire possessions and launch as many and of any quality shots that he can score double digits. I have yet to see him do so in a quality controlled offense
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 4, 2013 22:23:52 GMT -5
Look for Hymes to average 12-15 ppg now that he's relieved of ball handling duties. What other player is going to give you that at the 2? I don't get all those advocating the benching of Hymes. Dude is gonna be the team's second leading scorer (if not the first). This team needs him on the floor. I don't like that he's like 5'7, 150 either. But he's the best the got at the start of this season. Perhaps that changes down the line. But let's let go of the White starting fantasy. No one knows what the kid can even do at this point and there's no way Siena starts an all-freshman backcourt. That's a certain recipe for disaster. What does benching mean to you? Not starting? It means not playing at all to me. The fact remains, Hymes is the only legit option to backup Wright. When you send a starter to the bench at the beginning instead of starting games, make no mistake...it's a demotion. Imagine losing your start to a freshman as a junior. It's perhaps a little less deflating than being pulled and not playing. Hymes can back-up the 1 as a starter at a 2. He can play 20 minutes at 1 position and 10 at the other. If we're talking about Wright playing 30 minutes at the 1 and Hymes' sole function being to back him up, there's no way Hymes only gets 10 minutes a game. If you go from playing 35+ minutes a game your first two seasons to 10 in your third, it's perhaps a little less of a shit sandwich than an outright benching.
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 4, 2013 22:25:05 GMT -5
Only thing I'll say about that is Hymes is a proven double digit scorer in this conference- he has two college seasons under his belt- I would be happy if White is good enough to take starting spot away from him-- either way I expect White to play a lot of minutes this year hymes has only proven to me that if allowed to touch the ball for entire possessions and launch as many and of any quality shots that he can score double digits. I have yet to see him do so in a quality controlled offense That's because you have yet to see him in a quality offense period.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 22:37:38 GMT -5
Lavon will play the 4 if that's what the team needs but he is not a face up 4 as that title means he cant handle the ball...and we all know that is not accurate....once again he will sacrifice his game for the sake of the team without hesitation and that would be due to his size and strength not lack of skill...he would have to go to a BCS school to do anything else it seems That is not what the term face-up power forward means. It has no bearing on ball-handling ability. A Power Forward who scores the majority of their points off Jumpshots and Drives to the Hoop, rather than Posting Up with their Back to the Basket, is often referred to as a Face-Up Power Forward. I think the term suits Lavon to a tee. Plenty of such players can handle the ball, hence the origin of the term point forward. Based on your definition, scoring off jump shots and drives to the hoop, that has A LOT to do with ball handling. I'm not sure how you got "no bearing on ball-handling ability".
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 4:47:12 GMT -5
What does benching mean to you? Not starting? It means not playing at all to me. The fact remains, Hymes is the only legit option to backup Wright. When you send a starter to the bench at the beginning instead of starting games, make no mistake...it's a demotion. Imagine losing your start to a freshman as a junior. It's perhaps a little less deflating than being pulled and not playing. Hymes can back-up the 1 as a starter at a 2. He can play 20 minutes at 1 position and 10 at the other. If we're talking about Wright playing 30 minutes at the 1 and Hymes' sole function being to back him up, there's no way Hymes only gets 10 minutes a game. If you go from playing 35+ minutes a game your first two seasons to 10 in your third, it's perhaps a little less of a shit sandwich than an outright benching. Play upperclassmen because they are upperclassmen. This is almost a PW mentality. A team has to be greater than the sum of it's parts and players must realize losing their position may happen. Feelings hurt because for the last 2 years you were a better option the the often hurt Brookins and now there is a legit PG. Give Evan more credit please. This year he will be a very good 6th man. Next year when Cole is eligible is when the real difficulties begin for all those 2's.
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 5, 2013 8:48:13 GMT -5
That is not what the term face-up power forward means. It has no bearing on ball-handling ability. A Power Forward who scores the majority of their points off Jumpshots and Drives to the Hoop, rather than Posting Up with their Back to the Basket, is often referred to as a Face-Up Power Forward. I think the term suits Lavon to a tee. Plenty of such players can handle the ball, hence the origin of the term point forward. Based on your definition, scoring off jump shots and drives to the hoop, that has A LOT to do with ball handling. I'm not sure how you got "no bearing on ball-handling ability". What I meant by that was being labeled a face-up forward doesn't automatically mean you can't handle the ball as PPC had incorrectly defined the term.
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 5, 2013 8:58:28 GMT -5
When you send a starter to the bench at the beginning instead of starting games, make no mistake...it's a demotion. Imagine losing your start to a freshman as a junior. It's perhaps a little less deflating than being pulled and not playing. Hymes can back-up the 1 as a starter at a 2. He can play 20 minutes at 1 position and 10 at the other. If we're talking about Wright playing 30 minutes at the 1 and Hymes' sole function being to back him up, there's no way Hymes only gets 10 minutes a game. If you go from playing 35+ minutes a game your first two seasons to 10 in your third, it's perhaps a little less of a shit sandwich than an outright benching. Play upperclassmen because they are upperclassmen. This is almost a PW mentality. A team has to be greater than the sum of it's parts and players must realize losing their position may happen. Feelings hurt because for the last 2 years you were a better option the the often hurt Brookins and now there is a legit PG. Give Evan more credit please. This year he will be a very good 6th man. Next year when Cole is eligible is when the real difficulties begin for all those 2's. You don't play Hymes simply because he's an upperclassman. You play him because he's one of your best 5 and a top producer. All you armchair coaches can lobby for who you think should start all you want. But at the end of the day, the actual coach who has seen what all the players can do a hell of a lot more than any of us has named Hymes the starter. You might want to consider why that is and then perhaps you'll come to respect the decision.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2013 10:00:31 GMT -5
You don't play one of your best/most experienced players only 10-15 mins a game as a backup just because you're scared he might get hurt. If Hymes does get hurt or doesn't heal and misses a lot of time, then you just play Poole there for 5-7 mins a game in 2-3 min increments. Not a big deal. Ubiles did it for Moore.
Hymes will play backup PG AND he'll play SG. He'll be out there 25+ every night and he'll be putting up points...probably more efficiently than he has in his first 2 years because of the fact that teams can't just throw three guys in the lane against us anymore because they know we're feeding OD. Hymes had an overall FG% of over 40% for much of his frosh year until he wore down from playing the full 40 mins in 15 games and 37-39 mins in most of the others. He shot 50% overall in Montreal. There's a pretty good chance he's our leading scorer this year. We'll have height at the 2G for the 20-25 mins he's not playing there and when he's in we'll be very tough to press and we'll have good shooting range.
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Post by OneIndian on Sept 5, 2013 11:16:59 GMT -5
You don't play one of your best/most experienced players only 10-15 mins a game as a backup just because you're scared he might get hurt. If Hymes does get hurt or doesn't heal and misses a lot of time, then you just play Poole there for 5-7 mins a game in 2-3 min increments. Not a big deal. Ubiles did it for Moore. Hymes will play backup PG AND he'll play SG. He'll be out there 25+ every night and he'll be putting up points...probably more efficiently than he has in his first 2 years because of the fact that teams can't just throw three guys in the lane against us anymore because they know we're feeding OD. Hymes had an overall FG% of over 40% for much of his frosh year until he wore down from playing the full 40 mins in 15 games and 37-39 mins in most of the others. He shot 50% overall in Montreal. There's a pretty good chance he's our leading scorer this year. We'll have height at the 2G for the 20-25 mins he's not playing there and when he's in we'll be very tough to press and we'll have good shooting range. I hope you're right. We'll see... so far his injury/breakdown track is not so good. You attribute it to minutes, I think it's a size/durability issue. I think you can play him 15-20 and get about the same production.
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