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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 4, 2013 15:06:30 GMT -5
Poole showed his value today knocking down 3's and showing leadership...Wolfe was the only player to get a dunk and also hit a 3 ...Audu is showing improvement with his handle and looked more confident along with Oliver....all the time they got in Canada has elevated their games...Saint fans be excited!!!
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 4, 2013 15:17:11 GMT -5
As for Lavon his versatility will give him minutes....He has proven to his coach that he can play 1-4 for this team...that does not mean he will play 1-4....I never felt like playing Lavon at the point is in the best interest of this team....what it means to me is that he can start or be a 6th man that can fill in wherever needed....but for this team the need might be at the 4 more than anywhere else...Lavon has no problem with that....and I dont have a problem either because Lavon is happy and Patsos knows his game so playing the 4 with the freedom to push off the rebound, help break the press, and be a matchup nightmare is a win win for Lavon....bottom line he continues to show that he needs to be on the floor
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Post by Tony on Sept 4, 2013 15:27:30 GMT -5
. No way Hymes starts before White. He will give Wright and White a break. Only thing I'll say about that is Hymes is a proven double digit scorer in this conference- he has two college seasons under his belt- I would be happy if White is good enough to take starting spot away from him-- either way I expect White to play a lot of minutes this year
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 15:39:53 GMT -5
Obviously, if White turns out to be some kind of all around stud we'll want him starting at the 2G this year because of height, defense, and toughness. But, this kid is a freshman SG who hasn't been used as either a primary ballhandler OR as a sniper.
People are throwing a lot of assumptions about White out there when there's 3 other guys with D1 experience already on the roster who are likely to get time at SG. All three of those guys have already played in competitive games with the team this year.
Hymes is a guy that can put a lot of points on the board in this league. There's a lot of people who just don't understand that. We lose defense sure. But this offense has more lanes for him to run through and less pressure on him to make something happen in the last 3 seconds. If he's getting close to 30 minutes, he could put up 15 pts a game.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 4, 2013 15:52:56 GMT -5
Obviously, if White turns out to be some kind of all around stud we'll want him starting at the 2G this year because of height, defense, and toughness. But, this kid is a freshman SG who hasn't been used as either a primary ballhandler OR as a sniper. People are throwing a lot of assumptions about White out there when there's 3 other guys with D1 experience already on the roster who are likely to get time at SG. All three of those guys have already played in competitive games with the team this year. Hymes is a guy that can put a lot of points on the board in this league. There's a lot of people who just don't understand that. We lose defense sure. But this offense has more lanes for him to run through and less pressure on him to make something happen in the last 3 seconds. If he's getting close to 30 minutes, he could put up 15 pts a game. I agree with you KK....I dont like the size but Hymes is proven and it will be alot harder to unseat him than folks want to admit....that's why Poole and Lavon were moved to the 3 and 4 when Wright proved he is the only true pg on the team...at this point Patsos wants Hymes on the floor
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Post by OneIndian on Sept 4, 2013 16:28:08 GMT -5
It's absolutely ridiculous to start your only true backup pg at the 2. Hymes has proven to be a somewhat fragile player, injuries, cramping etc.... He's better suited to come of the bench to give Wright a blow or for an offensive spark. I don't see the benefit of playing him out of position. How many teams are playing a 5' 7" shooting guard in Di? Not many and for good reason!
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 4, 2013 16:30:45 GMT -5
It's absolutely ridiculous to start your only true backup pg at the 2. Hymes has proven to be a somewhat fragile player, injuries, cramping etc.... He's better suited to come of the bench to give Wright a blow or for an offensive spark. I don't see the benefit of playing him out of position. How many teams are playing a 5' 6" shooting guard in Di? Not many and for good reason! you get D from White but you get buckets from Hymes...pick your poisen
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Post by OneIndian on Sept 4, 2013 16:33:29 GMT -5
It's absolutely ridiculous to start your only true backup pg at the 2. Hymes has proven to be a somewhat fragile player, injuries, cramping etc.... He's better suited to come of the bench to give Wright a blow or for an offensive spark. I don't see the benefit of playing him out of position. How many teams are playing a 5' 6" shooting guard in Di? Not many and for good reason! you get D from White but you get buckets from Hymes...pick your poisen And you give up buckets w/ Hymes on D and burn him out as a backup, WHY? . Start Oliver or Audu let White get his feat wet and see what happens!
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Post by Tony on Sept 4, 2013 16:37:18 GMT -5
It's absolutely ridiculous to start your only true backup pg at the 2. Hymes has proven to be a somewhat fragile player, injuries, cramping etc.... He's better suited to come of the bench to give Wright a blow or for an offensive spark. I don't see the benefit of playing him out of position. How many teams are playing a 5' 7" shooting guard in Di? Not many and for good reason! I can see why you don’t want Hymes starting because of his size—but to call a kid that has been among the national leaders in minutes played the last 2 years somewhat fragile is misleading – he played all 31 games as a freshmen played avg of 37 min a game , 31 of 32 games last year avg 34 min a game- so in two years he missed 1 game hardly fragile. And let me repeat Hymes is one of only two players with significant D1` experience and he is a proven D1 scorer. Listen I hope White takes the spot—but it won’t be given to him – if White is good enough to take the spot—to me that’s a plus for the team
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 4, 2013 16:38:39 GMT -5
you get D from White but you get buckets from Hymes...pick your poisen And you give up buckets w/ Hymes on D and burn him out as a backup, WHY? . Start Oliver or Audu let White get his feat wet and see what happens! Thats an option and will pan out in practice and the first few games....I really Believe Patsos will let everyone earn their time....thinking the game and being prepared come in to play and freshmen are behind vs a jr....Hymes is a warrior that will go out swinging
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2013 16:41:19 GMT -5
Hymes aside and, believe me, we need Hymes this year.
At this point, Oliver is just getting his legs back under him. This is a kid who we all know can shoot. He just hasn't had the time the floor to get into a groove. What people also don't realize is this kid is extremely cool under pressure. In high school he rarely turned it over. Last year, he generally played under control and in Montreal he had 10 assists vs. 7 TO. Even Audu played pretty under control in Montreal 8 assists 6 TOs.
We just don't know what White will be able to give us as a frosh.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 4, 2013 17:01:02 GMT -5
Hymes aside and, believe me, we need Hymes this year. At this point, Oliver is just getting his legs back under him. This is a kid who we all know can shoot. He just hasn't had the time the floor to get into a groove. What people also don't realize is this kid is extremely cool under pressure. In high school he rarely turned it over. Last year, he generally played under control and in Montreal he had 10 assists vs. 7 TO. Even Audu played pretty under control in Montreal 8 assists 6 TOs. We just don't know what White will be able to give us as a frosh. you are correct again ....after watching pickup today I had to accept that the logjam at the 2 pushes Poole to starting at the 3....Oliver and Audu looked much more comfortable than they did in the summer....they are sophmores that are more ready to deal with a DI schedule of classes, practice and travel....all of that counts....That's why I a good with whatever Patsos decides to do with Lavon....the less pressure on a freshman the better
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Post by MTS on Sept 4, 2013 17:32:23 GMT -5
Hymes will probably play 25-30 minutes a game. He'll get 10-15 backing up Marquis (who gets 25-30 all at the point) at PG and 15 as the starter at SG. Jimmy probably doesn't want to start an all-freshman backcourt at least to start the season and I can understand that. Now maybe White will play well enough to start down the road but for now I'd expect Evan to start. Poole will be at SF. I think PF and center are up for grabs. I'd go with Lavon as a face-up 4 man and Bisping. Bisping's shooting ability could get us some match-up advantages like Josh Duell did at center. I like the versatility of the team. Jimmy can also elect to slide Poole to SG and play Long at SF and go big.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Sept 4, 2013 17:41:33 GMT -5
Hymes will probably play 25-30 minutes a game. He'll get 10-15 backing up Marquis (who gets 25-30 all at the point) at PG and 15 as the starter at SG. Jimmy probably doesn't want to start an all-freshman backcourt at least to start the season and I can understand that. Now maybe White will play well enough to start down the road but for now I'd expect Evan to start. Poole will be at SF. I think PF and center are up for grabs. I'd go with Lavon as a face-up 4 man and Bisping. Bisping's shooting ability could get us some match-up advantages like Josh Duell did at center. I like the versatility of the team. Jimmy can also elect to slide Poole to SG and play Long at SF and go big. Lavon will play the 4 if that's what the team needs but he is not a face up 4 as that title means he cant handle the ball...and we all know that is not accurate....once again he will sacrifice his game for the sake of the team without hesitation and that would be due to his size and strength not lack of skill...he would have to go to a BCS school to do anything else it seems
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Post by Sienafan on Sept 4, 2013 17:49:57 GMT -5
you get D from White but you get buckets from Hymes...pick your poisen And you give up buckets w/ Hymes on D and burn him out as a backup, WHY? . Start Oliver or Audu let White get his feat wet and see what happens! Look for Hymes to average 12-15 ppg now that he's relieved of ball handling duties. What other player is going to give you that at the 2? I don't get all those advocating the benching of Hymes. Dude is gonna be the team's second leading scorer (if not the first). This team needs him on the floor. I don't like that he's like 5'7, 150 either. But he's the best the got at the start of this season. Perhaps that changes down the line. But let's let go of the White starting fantasy. No one knows what the kid can even do at this point and there's no way Siena starts an all-freshman backcourt. That's a certain recipe for disaster.
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