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Post by musicman on Aug 21, 2013 11:59:03 GMT -5
I thought all of you would appreciate this. I was just on line checking out the Canadian rosters and saw the schedule for Concordia U. On August 28th it's Concordia U vs. Sienna. We need to get back to winning so that they all start spelling our name right again. lol.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 12:27:02 GMT -5
I think people are gun shy about two small guards after last year. Wright is not the injured gunner Brookins was. He also is a better passer, finisher at the rim, and has a way better and shiftier* handle.
As long as JO doesn't play with Silas, we won't be playing 2 centers like last year ...opening up the lanes and allowing us to play faster. Playing Wright and Hymes will allow us to hopefully turn our weakness (turnover margin) into a strength.
Basically, do what we should have done last year.
Wolfe, Bisping, and Long each have the handle and shooting range to really change the PF position from what we had with Anosike. Based on the 4guys writeup Wolfe is doing well... except for scoring in the wrong basket of course.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 7:03:20 GMT -5
I think people are gun shy about two small guards after last year. Wright is not the injured gunner Brookins was. He also is a better passer, finisher at the rim, and has a way better and shiftier* handle. As long as JO doesn't play with Silas, we won't be playing 2 centers like last year ...opening up the lanes and allowing us to play faster. Playing Wright and Hymes will allow us to hopefully turn our weakness (turnover margin) into a strength. Basically, do what we should have done last year. Wolfe, Bisping, and Long each have the handle and shooting range to really change the PF position from what we had with Anosike. Based on the 4guys writeup Wolfe is doing well... except for scoring in the wrong basket of course. 2 centers? Siena doesn't have 1 center on the roster. They have guys who can play there in the MAAC.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 8:27:26 GMT -5
I think people are gun shy about two small guards after last year. Wright is not the injured gunner Brookins was. He also is a better passer, finisher at the rim, and has a way better and shiftier* handle. As long as JO doesn't play with Silas, we won't be playing 2 centers like last year ...opening up the lanes and allowing us to play faster. Playing Wright and Hymes will allow us to hopefully turn our weakness (turnover margin) into a strength. Basically, do what we should have done last year. Wolfe, Bisping, and Long each have the handle and shooting range to really change the PF position from what we had with Anosike. Based on the 4guys writeup Wolfe is doing well... except for scoring in the wrong basket of course. 2 centers? Siena doesn't have 1 center on the roster. They have guys who can play there in the MAAC. I think you should check the official roster and see the very official looking "C" next to Imoh Silas' name. I also think Ogunyemi is a center. These guys are athletic but they aren't out there shooting threes or dribbling in from the 3 point line. JO has a 15 ft jumper sure, so he's more versatile than Anosike but so did Walters. Silas & Anosike together had nothing outside of 5 ft. Playing JO and Silas together would not either spread the floor for us or make our press better. That's what I mean. Lavon can score from anywhere with his handle. Wolfe and Bisping have underrated handles and can drive from the 3 pt line. However, they also can shoot threes, especially Bisping. Wolfe is also very quick for a PF defensively. We have 2 small guards. It's imperative we spread the floor to give these guys as much room to operate as possible. Only Silas should be in the low post on offense most of the time. And when he's not in the game, JO as his backup. Last year, there were always three defenders down there. 2 on OD and 1 on Silas. It was like driving into a brick wall.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 9:03:32 GMT -5
2 centers? Siena doesn't have 1 center on the roster. They have guys who can play there in the MAAC. I think you should check the official roster and see the very official looking "C" next to Imoh Silas' name. I also think Ogunyemi is a center. These guys are athletic but they aren't out there shooting threes or dribbling in from the 3 point line. JO has a 15 ft jumper sure, so he's more versatile than Anosike but so did Walters. Silas & Anosike together had nothing outside of 5 ft. Playing JO and Silas together would not either spread the floor for us or make our press better. That's what I mean. Lavon can score from anywhere with his handle. Wolfe and Bisping have underrated handles and can drive from the 3 pt line. However, they also can shoot threes, especially Bisping. Wolfe is also very quick for a PF defensively. We have 2 small guards. It's imperative we spread the floor to give these guys as much room to operate as possible. Only Silas should be in the low post on offense most of the time. And when he's not in the game, JO as his backup. Last year, there were always three defenders down there. 2 on OD and 1 on Silas. It was like driving into a brick wall. Putting a "C" next to someones name makes them a center? They have to play someone there, that doesn't mean they ARE a center. As far as the big men spreading the floor, if they aren't given the opportunity or are told not to shoot, they won't look too good at it. Javion can shoot the 3. Rossiter could, too, but he was never given the oppotunity, so he hit, what , 3 in his career?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 9:16:41 GMT -5
Putting a "C" next to someones name makes them a center? They have to play someone there, that doesn't mean they ARE a center. As far as the big men spreading the floor, if they aren't given the opportunity or are told not to shoot, they won't look too good at it. Javion can shoot the 3. Rossiter could, too, but he was never given the oppotunity, so he hit, what , 3 in his career? There were also people that thought Anosike was gonna play a lot of small forward coming of out of high school. There are reasons coaches' tell some of these guys not to shoot from out there. There's also the speed factor and how fast they move both with and without the ball in their hands. If you want to start these two guys together go ahead. Judging by PPC's analysis, JO and Silas are playing primarily at center and going head to head so Jimmy it seems see things similarly. Jimmy, in the recent past, has played Etherly, Winbush, and Walker at the PF. All guys who could either quickly dribble drive from outside and score, or shoot the three, or both. If you don't do that, you see an offense that bogs down and a defense that's less versatile. ie. Mitch-ball. A lot of my optimism surrounding this year is coming from my belief that Jimmy is realizing these things as he gets to know the team better.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 9:41:39 GMT -5
Putting a "C" next to someones name makes them a center? They have to play someone there, that doesn't mean they ARE a center. As far as the big men spreading the floor, if they aren't given the opportunity or are told not to shoot, they won't look too good at it. Javion can shoot the 3. Rossiter could, too, but he was never given the oppotunity, so he hit, what , 3 in his career? There were also people that thought Anosike was gonna play a lot of small forward coming of out of high school. There are reasons coaches' tell some of these guys not to shoot from out there. There's also the speed factor and how fast they move both with and without the ball in their hands. If you want to start these two guys together go ahead. Judging by PPC's analysis, JO and Silas are playing primarily at center and going head to head so Jimmy it seems see things similarly. Jimmy, in the recent past, has played Etherly, Winbush, and Walker at the PF. All guys who could either quickly dribble drive from outside and score, or shoot the three, or both. If you don't do that, you see an offense that bogs down and a defense that's less versatile. ie. Mitch-ball. A lot of my optimism surrounding this year is coming from my belief that Jimmy is realizing these things as he gets to know the team better. I didn't say anything about who should start. I said Siena doesn't have a center. Obviously someone has to play there. In the MAAC, Silas, Ogunyemi, Bisping, Wolfe, and Hopper could all PLAY center. That doesn't mean thet ARE centers. The coach plays who he has.
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Post by greengold4ever on Aug 22, 2013 11:33:52 GMT -5
this has been mentioned before..............no team has to have traditional spots covered on the floor, PG-SG-SF-PF-C..............in fact, you can play 3 guards-2 forwards, 2 guards-3 forwards, 4 guards-1 forward/center, and myriad of other combinations.............and in many ways, alot of these work just fine............so slotting in a kid into a particular "position" just to fit the "traditional" slots is in many ways not a good thing..........in today's game it is more important to have flexiblity with players able to play multiple positions........Patsos squad seems to have that versatility, they can go smaller, they can go bigger, able to push pace/attack the rim, apply pressure defense, hit the perimeter shot including long range, and finally some quality depth.............we don't need to worry about what we don't have, but concentrate on what we do have and make it work to the best of our advantage!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 11:57:17 GMT -5
this has been mentioned before..............no team has to have traditional spots covered on the floor, PG-SG-SF-PF-C..............in fact, you can play 3 guards-2 forwards, 2 guards-3 forwards, 4 guards-1 forward/center, and myriad of other combinations.............and in many ways, alot of these work just fine............so slotting in a kid into a particular "position" just to fit the "traditional" slots is in many ways not a good thing..........in today's game it is more important to have flexiblity with players able to play multiple positions........Patsos squad seems to have that versatility, they can go smaller, they can go bigger, able to push pace/attack the rim, apply pressure defense, hit the perimeter shot including long range, and finally some quality depth.............we don't need to worry about what we don't have, but concentrate on what we do have and make it work to the best of our advantage!!!!!!!!!!!!! If Wolfe was playing center, I wouldn't call him a center. If Evan Hymes was playing center, I wouldn't call him a center. I call Silas and JO centers. JO is obviously closer to a PF, but not quite there. That's how their game looks to me. I know JO can both drive and shoot from about 15, but he seems much less effective out past that. And defensively, he looks a bit better suited to the 5 based on quickness. Bisping is a tweener with one major difference, he's a very good shooter from everywhere. Because of that versatility along with a ok handle that's probably just a little better than Wignot's, he can be a PF.
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Post by psycholojets on Aug 22, 2013 12:29:08 GMT -5
Isn`t the question who can play best with their back to the basket and control the lane. It seemed like Alex F. spent a lot of time playing in the lane with his back to the hoop with good effect and great success. The key is a flexible roster and a coach who understands how to use that flexibility to good advantage. These are two things we have lacked since Franklin and Co. left. IMHO
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 12:38:16 GMT -5
this has been mentioned before..............no team has to have traditional spots covered on the floor, PG-SG-SF-PF-C..............in fact, you can play 3 guards-2 forwards, 2 guards-3 forwards, 4 guards-1 forward/center, and myriad of other combinations.............and in many ways, alot of these work just fine............so slotting in a kid into a particular "position" just to fit the "traditional" slots is in many ways not a good thing..........in today's game it is more important to have flexiblity with players able to play multiple positions........Patsos squad seems to have that versatility, they can go smaller, they can go bigger, able to push pace/attack the rim, apply pressure defense, hit the perimeter shot including long range, and finally some quality depth.............we don't need to worry about what we don't have, but concentrate on what we do have and make it work to the best of our advantage!!!!!!!!!!!!! If Wolfe was playing center, I wouldn't call him a center. If Evan Hymes was playing center, I wouldn't call him a center. I call Silas and JO centers. JO is obviously closer to a PF, but not quite there. That's how their game looks to me. I know JO can both drive and shoot from about 15, but he seems much less effective out past that. And defensively, he looks a bit better suited to the 5 based on quickness. Bisping is a tweener with one major difference, he's a very good shooter from everywhere. Because of that versatility along with a ok handle that's probably just a little better than Wignot's, he can be a PF. So now it's if you call them a center, they are? Thanks for clearing that up. Have you ever actually watched Ogunyemi play? I'm not talking about highlight videos, I'm talking actually watch him play. And while Silas may not have PF skills, that doesn't automatically make him a center. He's a PF who needs to expand his game.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 12:45:48 GMT -5
If Wolfe was playing center, I wouldn't call him a center. If Evan Hymes was playing center, I wouldn't call him a center. I call Silas and JO centers. JO is obviously closer to a PF, but not quite there. That's how their game looks to me. I know JO can both drive and shoot from about 15, but he seems much less effective out past that. And defensively, he looks a bit better suited to the 5 based on quickness. Bisping is a tweener with one major difference, he's a very good shooter from everywhere. Because of that versatility along with a ok handle that's probably just a little better than Wignot's, he can be a PF. So now it's if you call them a center, they are? Thanks for clearing that up. Have you ever actually watched Ogunyemi play? I'm not talking about highlight videos, I'm talking actually watch him play. And while Silas may not have PF skills, that doesn't automatically make him a center. He's a PF who needs to expand his game. You don't have to agree with me. You say "He's a PF who needs to expand his game." I say he's a "center who is almost a PF." I don't get the difference. Clearly, I'm a magician that needs to learn magic.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 13:35:36 GMT -5
So now it's if you call them a center, they are? Thanks for clearing that up. Have you ever actually watched Ogunyemi play? I'm not talking about highlight videos, I'm talking actually watch him play. And while Silas may not have PF skills, that doesn't automatically make him a center. He's a PF who needs to expand his game. You don't have to agree with me. You say "He's a PF who needs to expand his game." I say he's a "center who is almost a PF." I don't get the difference. Clearly, I'm a magician that needs to learn magic. Maybe you should read what YOU wrote. You didn't say Silas was a center who's almost a PF. You said that about Ogunyemi, who nobody else has ever called a center. You started this by saying Siena has 2 centers, then using the official roster to back yourself because they list Silas as a center. And you didn't answer the question about actually watching Ogunyemi, probably because you never have.
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Aug 22, 2013 13:39:25 GMT -5
Maybe this thread should be moved to the Semantics board...
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2013 13:40:14 GMT -5
You don't have to agree with me. You say "He's a PF who needs to expand his game." I say he's a "center who is almost a PF." I don't get the difference. Clearly, I'm a magician that needs to learn magic. Maybe you should read what YOU wrote. You didn't say Silas was a center who's almost a PF. You said that about Ogunyemi, who nobody else has ever called a center. You started this by saying Siena has 2 centers, then using the official roster to back yourself because they list Silas as a center. And you didn't answer the question about actually watching Ogunyemi, probably because you never have. So what I'm hearing is that you disagree.
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