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Post by basketballfan on Aug 19, 2013 22:11:14 GMT -5
Assist and turnover numbers may be charge to one player, however another player could be the real reason the turnovers occurred or players missing wow open shots will negativly impact the assist numbers. Coaching staffs review films and determine who is real culprit of the turnover or Whether the right or wrong decision was made. Stats can be deceiving.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 19, 2013 22:27:04 GMT -5
Assist and turnover numbers may be charge to one player, however another player could be the real reason the turnovers occurred or players missing wow open shots will negativly impact the assist numbers. Coaching staffs review films and determine who is real culprit of the turnover or Whether the right or wrong decision was made. Stats can be deceiving. It could have had something to do with being left on an island when trapped in the half court without guys realizing it and coming to the ball. Also, could have something to do with the fact that he played primarily in a starting lineup where only 1 other guy could consistently make a jumper past 5 ft. Brookins, Anosike, and Silas not being able to shoot at all kind of puts pressure on Hymes. Also, it could be that when Brookins was suspended, Hymes had an 11 turnover game because he was the only ballhandler with speed on the team playing against a super athletic pressing team with only Poole to help him out at all.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 20, 2013 6:18:08 GMT -5
Poole was draining that 3 ball and Bisping looks ready to go hitting 3's and dunking in drills
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Post by indian82 on Aug 20, 2013 7:09:39 GMT -5
Hymes should not play more than 22onutes a game though, he wears down too easily Evan should hold up better now that he can get a rest in the flow of the game as opposed to going 39-40 mins or only getting a blow when he is hurt or exhausted. I've always loved this kid - big heart, good attitude, good kid. I think he will be a leader on this team.
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Post by playerparentcoach on Aug 20, 2013 7:52:40 GMT -5
Hymes should not play more than 22onutes a game though, he wears down too easily Evan should hold up better now that he can get a rest in the flow of the game as opposed to going 39-40 mins or only getting a blow when he is hurt or exhausted. I've always loved this kid - big heart, good attitude, good kid. I think he will be a leader on this team. He is the leader without question....the positive energy he displays on the court is impressive ...Patsos seems to be building on his confidence to be a bucket getter...told him several times he is AI and should not pass up shots...
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Post by hockeyguy on Aug 20, 2013 21:54:35 GMT -5
PPC.. Evan has a ton going for him on offense, no doubt about it... how was he on defense?(my concern). Scoring 15 a game is great, but not if your opposite number is going for 18 'cause he is shooting over you. Maybe quickness can make up for some of that, be interested to hear your observations since you are there. I would love to have his shot and leadership in the game, just concerned about him guarding a 2 instead of a pg.
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Post by siena12077 on Aug 20, 2013 22:44:08 GMT -5
PPC.. Evan has a ton going for him on offense, no doubt about it... how was he on defense?(my concern). Scoring 15 a game is great, but not if your opposite number is going for 18 'cause he is shooting over you. Maybe quickness can make up for some of that, be interested to hear your observations since you are there. I would love to have his shot and leadership in the game, just concerned about him guarding a 2 instead of a pg. Again, he will always be gaurding the opposing point in games. 6' Wright is the concern guarding opposing 2s, and he is quick, athletic and has great hands and instincts. He may get bodied up from time to time but MAAC 2s are generally not 6'4 and taking it to you agressively
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Post by brian on Aug 21, 2013 6:52:57 GMT -5
When you look at the top of the MAAC this year you have to worry about either of them defending Armand or Beamon. Both are much bigger. Throw in the grad transfer Perez at Canisius as well.
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Post by hockeyguy on Aug 21, 2013 6:56:21 GMT -5
Siena 12077,
Either way, isn't it the same thing? Wright has to guard the two (which is your concern above) because Evan can't. If Audu or Oliver is in at the two Wright guards the opposing PG, much less of a concern. I go back to Tay's career. Great 3 pt shooter (see 6 for 6 against Vanderbilt in the NCAA's), great ball handler (see what he does for the Harlem Globe Trotters), terrific deisre, and a great kid, but a defensive liability. I just have a feeling, to get back to the next level, Evan becoames a great 6th man, instant offense, in spurts, just like Tay.
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Post by SaintsFan on Aug 21, 2013 7:11:31 GMT -5
Siena 12077, Either way, isn't it the same thing? Wright has to guard the two (which is your concern above) because Evan can't. If Audu or Oliver is in at the two Wright guards the opposing PG, much less of a concern. I go back to Tay's career. Great 3 pt shooter (see 6 for 6 against Vanderbilt in the NCAA's), great ball handler (see what he does for the Harlem Globe Trotters), terrific deisre, and a great kid, but a defensive liability. I just have a feeling, to get back to the next level, Evan becoames a great 6th man, instant offense, in spurts, just like Tay. i tend to agree with Hockeyguy on this. As much as Evan may be a good kid and have basketball skill... when it comes to Siena getting back to the next level it will require a bigger back court. As Siena rebuilds this and next year, it will be fine... but after that I would certainly hope we are back to 6'3"+ at the two and 6'5"+ at the three. Can an undersized back court win in a one game scenario? sure... but over a season long test we've seen had banged up and battered undersized guards can get.
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Post by bigsaintg on Aug 21, 2013 7:54:52 GMT -5
You guys made my point, this if he is playing more than 22 minutes or so we have issues / injuries with other guys. When Evan plays too much he wears down and commits too many turnovers and tends to get out if control. Mitch had to keep him in last year, but hopefully JP has more options. He will actually be more effective playing less
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Post by SaintMisbehavin on Aug 21, 2013 8:24:18 GMT -5
You guys made my point, this if he is playing more than 22 minutes or so we have issues / injuries with other guys. When Evan plays too much he wears down and commits too many turnovers and tends to get out if control. Mitch had to keep him in last year, but hopefully JP has more options. He will actually be more effective playing less I agree that Hymes needs to (and undoubtedly will) play less minutes than years past, but I don't know where the 22 MPG comes from. At the moment he's the starting 2 and the 1st back-up at the PG position, he's going to end up playing more than 22 MPG. A reminder of his absurd minuted played his 1st two seasons: G MPG A Pct M A Pct M A Pct Off Def Tot Ast TO Stl Blk PF PPG 2011-2012 31 36.9 4.3 11.2 38.2 2.0 5.5 36.1 2.9 3.7 78.3 0.3 1.4 1.6 3.7 3.4 1.2 0.1 2.3 13.4 2012-2013 31 33.7 3.3 9.8 33.3 1.9 5.6 33.9 2.2 2.9 75.3 0.5 1.2 1.7 3.7 3.9 0.9 0.0 2.4 10.6
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2013 9:09:24 GMT -5
Busta is not a BCS 2G. We all know that. It doesn't mean he can't be a very good SG in this league. He has a speed advantage vs most everyone especially THIS year. (no Needham, Wade, RJ etc) and the good big athletic PGs like Green and Thompson are also gone. That means the PG position, overall, is inexperienced and easier to defend this year.
In the MAAC, he can play with most of these guys. Most MAAC 2G's are 6-1 or 6-2. The three big SGs mentioned above are more of an exception than the rule. For 20 mins a game, we'll have a 6-3+ guy in there anyway. And that's WITH Hymes playing 30 mins a game. For 20 mins, Wright will just have do his best against a bigger guard. But Wright has quick hands and will be able to stay in front of these guys so maybe the bigger guards turn it over vs him. I think Hymes can start putting more pressure on guys too.
Other than Armand, most of the guys at the 2G this year are either shorter than 6-3 or not particulary consistent shooters. Perez is more of a driver. I think Beamon got lucky with his 3 pt shooting that one year. Previous year he shot 15% and last year was shooting 20% thru first few games.
The real argument is, for those 20 mins a game Hymes plays at the SG, does he provide more good stuff than bad stuff? I think the answer is that he has a positive influence on the game most definitely. They won't be easy to trap and press together on offense and they can do it to others on defense. And Hymes will put up points. Unlike Mitch, Jimmy has to use the speed to our advantage with a solid press and transition game.
There's really not too many proven 3 pt shooting teams other than Iona out there. Canisius, who lead the league, lost all their shooters. Rider (3rd) lost Thompson, who carried them in that category.
Siena, Marist, and Manhattan were next in line. Siena and Manhattan tied for 5th last year in the MAAC. Marist was 3rd. And Siena's % was diminished by Brookins. Take away him and we shot almost 36% (would have been 3rd by a lot). If we feature Hymes, Poole, and Bisping as the shooters, it's other teams who have to worry about our 3 pt shooting, not necessarily the other way around.
Get Wright, Long, JO, and Silas scoring in the mid-range and in and that's a pretty well rounded offense. We need to be that team that puts up points cause we have the scorers. That should be our focus. Hymes helps with that.
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Post by saints22 on Aug 21, 2013 11:08:47 GMT -5
The Saints have a handful of guards (Hymes; Wright; Oliver; Audu; White; and, as needed, Poole), each with specific skills. From what I saw at practice yesterday, White will be a significant contributor......assuming he has qualified and will be eligible (no reason to believe that he won't be eligible, but it's a long way from here to the first game). He has a D-I build, and looks very comfortable on both sides of the ball. Evan seems to have the best accuracy from long range, so have to believe that he will be on the floor as much as anyone. As was mentioned before, a pressing defense should reduce his exposure against bigger guards in the half-court, but even if it doesn't work out that way, looks like Jimmy is willing to accept the situation for what it is. We'll see how everything develops as the season goes along, but this team seems to present many options for the coaching staff.
A few other observations: everyone there except Patrick Cole (didn't ask why not); lots of work on fundamental stuff.....passing, screening, rolling to the basket, and other things that Jimmy considers the "basics"; Jimmy likes the way Brett is working, and particularly mentioned his toughness; Michael Wolfe is great to watch running the floor and finishing on a break, and he has no problem shooting from 3-point range; Marcus Hopper was practicing; atmosphere was pretty low-key......Jimmy joking here and there.....no major blows-up, but an occasional comment intended to get everyone's attention. A good workout.
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Post by Tony on Aug 21, 2013 11:49:52 GMT -5
I agree on Evan—good coaches play to their strength and hide their weakness. With Hymes and Wright we have a very..very speedy backcourt— not only will it be next to impossible to press Siena on other side of the ball they will be very difficult to bring the ball up against- teams with weak point guards or not well coached they will kill. It would be nice to have a Kenny Hasbrouck at the two- but since he is out of eligibility – have to go with our best options. Besides if we are getting lit up by opposing guard- I like the option of bringing in White. I would guess Evan will get 20 min or so at the 2 guard and maybe 10 at the point . And even that is subject to change if Cole gets the waiver. Evan is a great kid, plays hard and personally I think he will flourish in Jimmy’s offense
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