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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 19:40:20 GMT -5
You know who can both do a 360 dunk AND play some PG. This guy (see 24 sec mark): You got a lot to learn son, Carpenter will be another bullet in the chamber of the revolver that Carm is pointing at rest of MAAC, Aidan will be part of rotation ,in fact heard if he was eligible he would have been in rotation this year. But talk is cheap lets see him on the court before will put him ahead of anyone ( remember Luke Sutherland) What about Luke Sutherland?
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Post by bigsaintg on Mar 12, 2020 19:43:40 GMT -5
I have to think that part of our improvement is that the team had to practice against Carpenter and Tate and that had to make us better
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 19:54:51 GMT -5
Tate, I’m not sure about at center honestly. He’s a solid piece but I worry he may be too mid range jumper happy. Not sure he can come close to Burns efficiency wise.
I like him as an arrow in the quiver though. And you might get other things from him.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 12, 2020 20:04:17 GMT -5
Disagree. I think Manny really improved his shooting. His 3 pt shooting became a legit weapon opponents had to deal with this year. Last year, teams begged him to shoot a 3. He also improved his FT % by more than 13 points. This summer I hope he works on his handle to become an even more dangerous player. The kid only made 15 3's all year so 'weapon' is pushing it a bit. In his available stats from HS he was a 29% 3pt shooter and 63% FT shooter. 33% and 65% is an improvement but not ALL that much. So Manny played in HS last year?? I'm confused. You'll ignore his college sophomore stats because they dont support your argument? He def approved across the board at his shooting. Maybe his 8th grad stats will give us deeper knowledge of his senior year projections?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 20:07:37 GMT -5
The kid only made 15 3's all year so 'weapon' is pushing it a bit. In his available stats from HS he was a 29% 3pt shooter and 63% FT shooter. 33% and 65% is an improvement but not ALL that much. So Manny played in HS last year?? I'm confused. You'll ignore his college sophomore stats because they dont support your argument? He def approved across the board at his shooting. Maybe his 8th grad stats will give us deeper knowledge of his senior year projections? He shot worse overall slightly because he was worse on 2s. He made a few more threes and brought his FT% up yes. But, I think it’s doing the kid a bit of disservice to say that he didn’t have it in him to do that already.
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Post by Tony on Mar 12, 2020 20:27:34 GMT -5
So Manny played in HS last year?? I'm confused. You'll ignore his college sophomore stats because they dont support your argument? He def approved across the board at his shooting. Maybe his 8th grad stats will give us deeper knowledge of his senior year projections? He shot worse overall slightly because he was worse on 2s. He made a few more threes and brought his FT% up yes. But, I think it’s doing the kid a bit of disservice to say that he didn’t have it in him to do that already. C'mon KK-- his overall pct was down from 48.6 to 48 he put up twice the numbers of shots and was a major focus of defenses game planing vs the Saints, kid improved his shooting significantly from his first two years in college-- His ability to hit foul shots allowed him to stay on floor ( remember last year when JC took him out at end of close games) and his ability to knock down wide open 3's caused defense to follow him out-- even if he only hit 15 of them the threat was there and opened up space for offense. Its OK to admit Manny's shooting improved- a lot..not a little ... but thats OK I'm done on this--if you think Manny didn't improve his shooting and in fact was worse--sorry I cant help you
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2020 20:36:35 GMT -5
He shot worse overall slightly because he was worse on 2s. He made a few more threes and brought his FT% up yes. But, I think it’s doing the kid a bit of disservice to say that he didn’t have it in him to do that already. C'mon KK-- his overall pct was down from 48.6 to 48 he put up twice the numbers of shots and was a major focus of defenses game planing vs the Saints, kid improved his shooting significantly from his first two years in college-- His ability to hit foul shots allowed him to stay on floor ( remember last year when JC took him out at end of close games) and his ability to knock down wide open 3's caused defense to follow him out-- even if he only hit 15 of them the threat was there and opened up space for offense. Its OK to admit Manny's shooting improved- a lot..not a little ... but thats OK I'm done on this--if you think Manny didn't improve his shooting and in fact was worse--sorry I cant help you He shot 60% and 58% from 2 his first 2 years. Shot 50.8% from 2 this year. I get the higher volume factor. I just think it’s less about improvement and more about us seeing the real Manny being Manny in a system that allows him to fully do so. That’s all I’m saying. It’s mostly increased volume and him feeling at home. Also, Camper made less threes this year than Smithen made last year when he ‘wasn’t a threat.’ So which is it?
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Post by musicman on Mar 12, 2020 21:32:08 GMT -5
You can't teach height. I expect Harris to improve. He's going to probably get more impactful on D which will be his niche in addition to transition. However, his ball control, shooting, and even 2 pt finishing just isn't good enough right now. With Tate and others coming in, there will be a lot of competition at the 4 behind Manny which I think will be Harris' best spot long term. And I just don't think Harris is going to play over Carpenter. I'm going to come out and say it. Pickett/Carey/Carpenter is probably the best overall 1-3 as of now. I think once Camper graduates though, Harris' stock will soar as a face up 4 man. If Siena gets another great guard and another big, I'd almost think that he'd do well to redshirt next year. He could work on his FTs and shooting....and make a huge impact at the 4 spot as an upperclassman....and go all Manny on the league. These are definitely the kinds of problems I love to have posted on here and read people talking about. Things always seem to work themselves out, especially when we're talking about all the talent and new talent we're going to have. The good times are definitely coming. When someone even speculates (or thinks out loud) about the pros and cons of a player like Gary RSing, you know we have come a long way in two years. I don't think Gary's ego would allow him to do it. The competition for spots next year is certainly going to be exciting. (Now if we can all survive this virus.)
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Post by saints15 on Mar 12, 2020 21:44:58 GMT -5
C'mon KK-- his overall pct was down from 48.6 to 48 he put up twice the numbers of shots and was a major focus of defenses game planing vs the Saints, kid improved his shooting significantly from his first two years in college-- His ability to hit foul shots allowed him to stay on floor ( remember last year when JC took him out at end of close games) and his ability to knock down wide open 3's caused defense to follow him out-- even if he only hit 15 of them the threat was there and opened up space for offense. Its OK to admit Manny's shooting improved- a lot..not a little ... but thats OK I'm done on this--if you think Manny didn't improve his shooting and in fact was worse--sorry I cant help you He shot 60% and 58% from 2 his first 2 years. Shot 50.8% from 2 this year. I get the higher volume factor. I just think it’s less about improvement and more about us seeing the real Manny being Manny in a system that allows him to fully do so. That’s all I’m saying. It’s mostly increased volume and him feeling at home. Also, Camper made less threes this year than Smithen made last year when he ‘wasn’t a threat.’ So which is it? It wasn’t just a jump in the number of shots. Last year he rarely took shots outside of 5 feet. He probably took more jump shots from the foul line area this year than he took in total shots last year. His shooting ability has improved dramatically.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 12, 2020 23:47:54 GMT -5
IF the roster stays intact, I expect Carpenter to challenge King for the first guard off bench that replaces Harris. I know it sounds easy, but I’m not sure Tate can just overnight have a 5 mans mentality. He was a SF at Rhode Island that could play the 4 in a pinch at the A-10 level. With the kids we have coming in, I could see Manny getting more minutes at the SF next year.
IF we get the 5th year big I think we ll get, he starts and splits time with Young, who I expect a big jump from. We know King is capable so I love our guard situation with, or without another addition. We just need one of the two freshman 4 men to step up, or Sutherland, who I hear Carm really wants to keep around. We will be 10 deep, no doubt.
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Post by $cott on Mar 13, 2020 8:57:11 GMT -5
Camper's shooting percentage even improved in season. He went from .490 from 2 point in the first 15 games to .522 in the last 15 games. His free throw shooting jumped from .619 to .705. And that occurred while taking on a bigger role in the offense, his 2 point attempts per game jumped from 6.8 per game to 8.9 per game while improving by percentage.
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Post by MTS on Mar 13, 2020 9:02:11 GMT -5
IF the roster stays intact, I expect Carpenter to challenge King for the first guard off bench that replaces Harris. I know it sounds easy, but I’m not sure Tate can just overnight have a 5 mans mentality. He was a SF at Rhode Island that could play the 4 in a pinch at the A-10 level. With the kids we have coming in, I could see Manny getting more minutes at the SF next year. IF we get the 5th year big I think we ll get, he starts and splits time with Young, who I expect a big jump from. We know King is capable so I love our guard situation with, or without another addition. We just need one of the two freshman 4 men to step up, or Sutherland, who I hear Carm really wants to keep around. We will be 10 deep, no doubt. I’m not too worried about the roster changing that big. Who would want to leave where this program is #1 and #2 nobody is even gonna be able to visit a school for months! The only guys I could see moving on is Sutherland (playing time), Ratliff and Darwiche. Looks like Sammy will finish his last year elsewhere.
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Post by Quackman on Mar 13, 2020 9:36:07 GMT -5
Camper's minutes increased by, about, 1/3 from last year yet his ppg doubled, rebounding doubled, assists doubled. That's improvement. As the makeup of the team changed, losing Seymour, Degnan and Fisher, the focus went from shooting 3's to attacking the rim. I get that this plays into what Camper does well. But it also changes up the defense. Gone are defenses designed to defend the 3, in are defenses designed to protect the paint. (Hence his shooting percentage overall coming down a bit.)
Like I argued all off season, Camper was always going to be an integral part of this team, I just didn't expect him to develop into a 1st team All MAAC player. And, since he did not make a preseason all-maac team, apparently none of the coaches did as well.
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Post by $cott on Mar 13, 2020 10:13:26 GMT -5
Camper's minutes increased by, about, 1/3 from last year yet his ppg doubled, rebounding doubled, assists doubled. That's improvement. As the makeup of the team changed, losing Seymour, Degnan and Fisher, the focus went from shooting 3's to attacking the rim. I get that this plays into what Camper does well. But it also changes up the defense. Gone are defenses designed to defend the 3, in are defenses designed to protect the paint. (Hence his shooting percentage overall coming down a bit.) Like I argued all off season, Camper was always going to be an integral part of this team, I just didn't expect him to develop into a 1st team All MAAC player. And, since he did not make a preseason all-maac team, apparently none of the coaches did as well. Camper and Marcus Hammond were the only two that made the first team and were not on a preseason team. Hammond did the more common sophomore jump.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Mar 13, 2020 10:22:53 GMT -5
IF the roster stays intact, I expect Carpenter to challenge King for the first guard off bench that replaces Harris. I know it sounds easy, but I’m not sure Tate can just overnight have a 5 mans mentality. He was a SF at Rhode Island that could play the 4 in a pinch at the A-10 level. With the kids we have coming in, I could see Manny getting more minutes at the SF next year. IF we get the 5th year big I think we ll get, he starts and splits time with Young, who I expect a big jump from. We know King is capable so I love our guard situation with, or without another addition. We just need one of the two freshman 4 men to step up, or Sutherland, who I hear Carm really wants to keep around. We will be 10 deep, no doubt. I’m not too worried about the roster changing that big. Who would want to leave where this program is #1 Players that aren’t/won’t be happy with their minutes.
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