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Post by $cott on Jul 19, 2019 15:12:31 GMT -5
It could also be a style issue, he may love Carm and Carm may love Sloan but if Carm has taken away the green light to shoot a 3 whenever he touches the ball then Sloan might want to go somewhere that will give him that green light (GW). I don't think it would be a 'green light to shoot issue' for Seymour. That's about the only thing he has a green light for. I think Carm is trending us back to Fran/Cooley ball. Other coaches have said it. I think, based on what is playing out and who we've targeted, he might actually be doing it. Seymour is not a Fran/Cooley player. Under JC Sloan had the ultimate green light, there was no shot he wasn't allowed to take. I wouldn't be surprised if Carm was preaching shot selection to him whenever he was taking bad shots along with encouraging better defense and rebounding. Sloan might have decide he would have more fun going to play for JC and hoist shots whenever he wants and doesn't have to worry about expending any energy out there. I thought the hard work in the weight room was a reflection of an attitude change but I guess not.
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Post by Tony on Jul 19, 2019 15:15:41 GMT -5
Sorry to see Sloan leave, I always thought he had a good "upside" - timing can only mean one thing. Either the freshmen are beating him like a drum ( Greg and Luke) or we have another player. I’ve heard no player problems with Coach Carm ( players all seem to really like him) always heard whispers about player dislike for PW and Jimbo) So I’m pretty much ruling that out. I’m going to keep an open mind- but I strongly suspect it was a playing time issue with Sloan , in which case we may be better off in long run When you call Gary 'Greg' it confuses me. effing spell check keeps changing it on me
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Post by goldsaint17 on Jul 19, 2019 15:15:58 GMT -5
Where I am at after some thought:
Never want to see a kid who represents your program well leave. Sloan was a good kid and his teammates liked him.
The shooting was a legitimately valuable skill, despite all the other flaws.
For all the discussion of Sloan's "upside", to me upside needs to be attainable. As I have said many times on here (so no acting like I'm turning on the guy as soon as he leaves) I truly don't know if he had it in him to actually become good at something other than shooting.
I don't want to cast judgement here on the situation as a whole until we hear from Sloan (even if that may not be the truth). He may have been in a position to get beaten out. He may have gotten poached by Jamion or someone else. Or, he may have made a tough call to come back and play for Carm when his heart was somewhere else the whole time, and as summer wore on he decided he wanted to move on. Hell, it could be like what happened with Javion Ogunyemi where he just wanted to live outside the Capital Region (obviously some bigger circumstances at play there, but the point stands). Kids leave for all different reasons and I'm not going to scorn JC or Sloan before we know what the hell even happened.
We need another body at this point, I think. Right now we have 11 scholarship guys, and two of those are tied up in Hein and Darwiche (one of whom will never see the floor). 3 are tied up in centers. Getting someone in who can play right away (Rasheem Dunn?) either as a guard (allowing to more comfortably play small with Camper or Harris at the 4) or a power forward (not sure who's out there, but Cleveland State has another guy transferring who averaged 9 and 4 and is 6-9 who could probably get a waiver) would help.
This team will be interesting. Not only will it be a lot of new faces, but it will also be a new look. A lot of the sets we ran last year probably get thrown out, and we probably look to run and press and get easy ones in transition.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 15:16:44 GMT -5
When you call Gary 'Greg' it confuses me. effing spell check keeps changing it on me Probably cause you used to talk about our ex-assistant coaches together.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 15:32:01 GMT -5
... but Cleveland State has another guy transferring who averaged 9 and 4 and is 6-9 who could probably get a waiver) would help.... Stefan Kenic is basically Sloan Seymour with 4 more rebounds per game and the ability to get to the FT line more. Basically, the production you'd have hoped you'd get from Aaron Falzon...he already does it.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Jul 19, 2019 15:55:10 GMT -5
This move by Sloan might be related to Gary Harris and his abilities. I’m hearing Harris is they real deal and a better all around player. Maybe Sloan figured that out too? Not sure Carm was giving Sloan the same non-rebounding, free green light deal JC did. I’d be shocked if he didn’t end up at GW. The family was very upset when JC suddenly left town.
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Post by mike60 on Jul 19, 2019 16:12:33 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken Carm is a very good defensive coach. As a head coach unless the leopard changes its spots, he will emphasise defense and that is where playing time will come from. Just saying.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2019 16:19:50 GMT -5
If I'm not mistaken Carm is a very good defensive coach. As a head coach unless the leopard changes its spots, he will emphasise defense and that is where playing time will come from. Just saying. It IS possible that Carm is the reason for the Smithen switch and that JC finally caved on letting him play in the rotation more. Without Smithen, they had to play zone...and it sucked. Maybe it was JC who finally caved and Seymour is one of those that is just really one of JC's guys like Darwiche. If that's the case and Carm was playing for D more already...after seeing his guys practice...then Seymour would have seen the writing on the wall long term. Carm is not a 3, 3, 3, 3, 3 type offensive coach. He may be more well rounded....not that you don't have Seymour as one of your few with a green light from 3... It's just the rest of the team likely would put less emphasis on it.
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Post by OneIndian on Jul 19, 2019 16:28:09 GMT -5
Guessing he’ll be poached (picked up by) JC and Sloan gets an opportunity to play in the A10. JC let’s him launch at will and is ok with his limited dimension skill set.
I’m sure Carm is going to play a different style which necessitated a change in Sloan’s game which wasn’t to Sloan’s or his family’s liking.
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Post by MTS on Jul 19, 2019 16:29:47 GMT -5
This move by Sloan might be related to Gary Harris and his abilities. I’m hearing Harris is they real deal and a better all around player. Maybe Sloan figured that out too? Not sure Carm was giving Sloan the same non-rebounding, free green light deal JC did. I’d be shocked if he didn’t end up at GW. The family was very upset when JC suddenly left town. Hope you're right on Harris. If Harris is an impact frosh and we a guy like Dunn - I don't think Sloan leaving is a big deal. We have to replace his 9 PPG and 3 point shooting but we still have a lot of firepower. Luke Sutherland just got a little happier too.
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Post by MTS on Jul 19, 2019 16:30:39 GMT -5
Guessing he was poached by JC and see’s an opportunity to play in the A10. JC let’s him launch at will and is ok with his limited dimension skill set. Maybe but that chance was there in April. There's more to this IMO.
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Post by OneIndian on Jul 19, 2019 16:31:42 GMT -5
Guessing he was poached by JC and see’s an opportunity to play in the A10. JC let’s him launch at will and is ok with his limited dimension skill set. Maybe but that chance was there in April. There's more to this IMO. Maybe the reality of his new role was not to his liking.
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Post by Sienafan on Jul 19, 2019 17:06:12 GMT -5
There's no way to spin this as anything other than a big loss. Yes, Sloan had issues with his game. But he was a starter, an all-rookie teamer, and deadly 3 point shooter - perhaps the best on the team. And Siena is now a lot weaker in that department. The timing is odd. If he wanted to just follow JC that could have happened in April. But he was working out with the team and hitting the weights hard. So I have to believe something changed recently like practice not going well or something. Sigh. Why can't we have nice things?
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Post by IndianSaint on Jul 19, 2019 17:28:44 GMT -5
In all seriousness (and not to imply Sloan won’t end up at another school) but what if a player enters the transfer portal and no one wants him? Does he then request to come back to original school? Does the original school have to take him back?
I’m assuming yes he could come back if the school wanted him & hadn’t already used his ship on someone else but I’d sort of love it if a bunch of players entered looking for better places to play only to find out no one wants them them they have to go lower than they ever imagined and still aren’t happy.
Not that I want this to happen to Sloan but I just get tired of all these players wanting to move after 1 or 2 seasons (for what ever the reasons - legitimate or not).
I liked it better when players stayed for all four years just like I liked it better in professional sports when the team stayed intact mostly for many years (even when my teams sucked).
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Post by brian on Jul 19, 2019 17:57:00 GMT -5
In all seriousness (and not to imply Sloan won’t end up at another school) but what if a player enters the transfer portal and no one wants him? Does he then request to come back to original school? Does the original school have to take him back? I’m assuming yes he could come back if the school wanted him & hadn’t already used his ship on someone else but I’d sort of love it if a bunch of players entered looking for better places to play only to find out no one wants them them they have to go lower than they ever imagined and still aren’t happy. Not that I want this to happen to Sloan but I just get tired of all these players wanting to move after 1 or 2 seasons (for what ever the reasons - legitimate or not). I liked it better when players stayed for all four years just like I liked it better in professional sports when the team stayed intact mostly for many years (even when my teams sucked). When a player enters the portal the school is allowed to pull their aid at the end of the current term. If the player decides they want to remain at the school it is entirely up to the school if they want to take them back. The goal with the portal was to give the students a little more control and they get complete releases and schools can’t block transfers anymore, but at the same time they didn’t want every player to just enter in to the portal for fun and see if anything better is out there. They are trying to limit it to just the kids that are serious about leaving.
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