iskout
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Post by iskout on Nov 7, 2019 21:44:46 GMT -5
I don't disagree, especially given how garbage the rest of the MAAC was. But again. 17 wins isn't great by any stretch of the imagination. Especially given it wasn't his typical brand of basketball. Iona didn’t have much more regular season wins than Siena; just comparing what JC accomplished compared to his peers in last year’s down MAAC. Again, I’m not saying x wins should get COY; I’m saying the best coaching job deserves it. With what JC accomplished, with the players in that team, finishing tied for 2nd (for a team picked last) was probably one of the greatest all time MAAC coaching efforts ever; the MAAC being down regardless. Again JMO. Whereas I am not saying anything about coach of the year (besides agreeing that he should have gotten it). I'm saying that we literally don't know if his coaching style works outside of the NEC. It's the only place he's been in long enough to actually enact how he wants to coach.
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Post by IndianSaint on Nov 7, 2019 21:52:02 GMT -5
Iona didn’t have much more regular season wins than Siena; just comparing what JC accomplished compared to his peers in last year’s down MAAC. Again, I’m not saying x wins should get COY; I’m saying the best coaching job deserves it. With what JC accomplished, with the players in that team, finishing tied for 2nd (for a team picked last) was probably one of the greatest all time MAAC coaching efforts ever; the MAAC being down regardless. Again JMO. Whereas I am not saying anything about coach of the year (besides agreeing that he should have gotten it). I'm saying that we literally don't know if his coaching style works outside of the NEC. It's the only place he's been in long enough to actually enact how he wants to coach. I would agree with that.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Nov 7, 2019 21:56:11 GMT -5
When a coach’s team is picked for last place and finished tied for 2nd, no other team/coach could have beaten him out of COY except the 2nd to last place team finishing 1st. No other coach overachieved as much as JC did last year. He deserved COY just in that fact alone. 17 wins isn't great by any stretch of the imagination. Especially given it wasn't his typical brand of basketball. 17 wins is great when the prior year was 7 and half the roster left. Had very little time to get his own kids in. Turned non contributors (Fisher, Degnan and Smithen) into major ones. Your own words, “won despite not playing his typical brand of basketball”. Showing he could be successful outside his comfort zone speaks for itself. Picked 11th, finished 2nd. Sorry, that’s a great job in my book.
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iskout
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Post by iskout on Nov 7, 2019 22:07:26 GMT -5
17 wins isn't great by any stretch of the imagination. Especially given it wasn't his typical brand of basketball. 17 wins is great when the prior year was 7 and half the roster left. Had very little time to get his own kids in. Turned non contributors (Fisher, Degnan and Smithen) into major ones. Your own words, “won despite not playing his typical brand of basketball”. Showing he could be successful outside his comfort zone speaks for itself. Picked 11th, finished 2nd. Sorry, that’s a great job in my book. I'll agree to disagree. I saw a couple of flashes of great coaching, a fair amount of mediocre coaching, and a few moments where I questioned if he even wanted to win. Probably his best play call was the last play against Robert Morris, where he called the 3 for Degnan. Other than that, I didn't think his rotations made much sense (Huerter in the Harvard game, Darwiche in several instances), and changing up his style to minimize possessions on both sides was his only option. I'll give him a solid job based on his placing and what he started with, but we wouldn't be having this conversation if it was even the 2017/2018 MAAC.
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Post by Tony on Nov 8, 2019 6:15:32 GMT -5
I thought JC did a tremendous job, considering what he had to work with. The thing most casual fans missed was, there was a reason why he tried Darwhiche, Huerter etc, he was desperate to find another shooter to take pressure off Jalen. I have no idea how JC will do this year at GW, much tougher to win in A10 with crap roster than MAAC. Although I do think he will eventually be successful. I have no ill will toward Jamion, I wish him nothing but the best. His leaving cost us Sloan and Walker- and time will tell but we may have upgraded head spot with one of our own ( a Siena fan)
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Post by mike60 on Nov 8, 2019 6:32:31 GMT -5
Personally I think JC did a very good job. I also think what he did, while not smooth, he had to do.That being said I like the expression one of my sons uses, What happened, happened. What is, is. Let's move on. And what is looks pretty darn good!
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Post by OneIndian on Nov 8, 2019 7:29:53 GMT -5
JC stepped into a cesspool of issues when he took this job, he very quickly changed a poor culture positive, helped restore a positive image, established professionalism and a winner’s mentality. For that alone I am grateful.
It’s too bad it didn’t work here but sometimes family takes precedence. Best of luck to him!
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Post by texasjack on Nov 8, 2019 9:25:42 GMT -5
Serious question.... can someone explain to me why Orr was vilified after his one-and-done and JC seemingly gets a pass? My memory concerning Orr’s departure has faded over the years.
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Post by $cott on Nov 8, 2019 9:41:00 GMT -5
Serious question.... can someone explain to me why Orr was vilified after his one-and-done and JC seemingly gets a pass? My memory concerning Orr’s departure has faded over the years. JS was pretty vilified when he left but as it appears it was a family decision to move closer to his son it is tough to be too mad at him. I still wish he handled things better when he left but not going to hate the guy over it. As for his coaching, I think we can all agree he did a great job last year, I think the main point that was being made is that a few of his deficiencies like his teams never getting to the line are always going to cap how good his teams can be. Carm seems more the type that wants to succeed at everything, he's still got a ton to prove but the potential for great teams (and for bad teams) is much higher when you are trying to do everything great rather than just a few things great and the others poorly.
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Post by gorvy on Nov 8, 2019 18:17:35 GMT -5
Serious question.... can someone explain to me why Orr was vilified after his one-and-done and JC seemingly gets a pass? My memory concerning Orr’s departure has faded over the years. Orr came after a highly respected coach, and was followed by a coach who was not ready for d1 success yet. And, as alluded to left purely for financial gain as opposed to jc who plausibly left for family reasons ( but it was still a "promotion". Jc followed a less successful coach so the similar seasons look better on jc's ledger.
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Post by musicman on Nov 8, 2019 22:48:30 GMT -5
Serious question.... can someone explain to me why Orr was vilified after his one-and-done and JC seemingly gets a pass? My memory concerning Orr’s departure has faded over the years. Orr came after a highly respected coach, and was followed by a coach who was not ready for d1 success yet. And, as alluded to left purely for financial gain as opposed to jc who plausibly left for family reasons ( but it was still a "promotion". Jc followed a less successful coach so the similar seasons look better on jc's ledger. very well said Gorvy. Concise.
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Post by siena2003 on Nov 9, 2019 9:01:46 GMT -5
I see @marksingelais is retweeting about JC! 🙄🙄🙄
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Post by greengold4ever on Nov 9, 2019 9:11:28 GMT -5
Serious question.... can someone explain to me why Orr was vilified after his one-and-done and JC seemingly gets a pass? My memory concerning Orr’s departure has faded over the years. Orr came after a highly respected coach, and was followed by a coach who was not ready for d1 success yet. And, as alluded to left purely for financial gain as opposed to jc who plausibly left for family reasons ( but it was still a "promotion". Jc followed a less successful coach so the similar seasons look better on jc's ledger. Orr took this gig after being "pushed" into the job by Boeheim, who told him if you want a big job you need to get some experience (any experience will do)................he constantly talked about "love & family" for the Siena players (hey, does that sound familiar)..........then grabbed the first job out of town, what was worse, never contacted the team or one single player after he made his decision to leave................
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