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Post by Quackman on Feb 25, 2019 17:35:13 GMT -5
Doubtful that any non division 1 caliber player could go into Louisville, drop 15 points and 15 rebounds on the Cardinals like Sammy did. Especially while playing for JP and his pathetic excuse of an offense. Sure, but why hasn't he ever done the same thing in a MAAC game against lesser talent? Many on this board thought Fisher was horrible, but he beat Friday out again this year. The kid was impressive versus Louisville, but hasn't consistently shown it since then. (Kind of reminds me of Jim Secretarski and his 36 point game as a freshman. Didn't mean that he was going to do that often or ever again for that matter) I am, in no way, saying Friday isn't a D1 player. He has the size to be one. I do, however, question whether or not he will provide consistent production given the first 2 1/4 years in Loudonville. And, I was all in on red shirting him all along. I hope he has two very successful years for the Saints in the future.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 17:43:49 GMT -5
Doubtful that any non division 1 caliber player could go into Louisville, drop 15 points and 15 rebounds on the Cardinals like Sammy did. Especially while playing for JP and his pathetic excuse of an offense. Sure, but why hasn't he ever done the same thing in a MAAC game against lesser talent? Many on this board thought Fisher was horrible, but he beat Friday out again this year. The kid was impressive versus Louisville, but hasn't consistently shown it since then. (Kind of reminds me of Jim Secretarski and his 36 point game as a freshman. Didn't mean that he was going to do that often or ever again for that matter) I am, in no way, saying Friday isn't a D1 player. He has the size to be one. I do, however, question whether or not he will provide consistent production given the first 2 1/4 years in Loudonville. And, I was all in on red shirting him all along. I hope he has two very successful years for the Saints in the future. For a time, Fisher and Friday were providing very similar per min stats earlier this year... Per 30 mins played this year: Friday: 13 & 5 with a 1.41 PPS. Fisher: 14 & 5 with a 1.17 PPS. Is that not solid? Darwiche also beat out Smithen. So, saying one kid beating out another doesn't really mean that much.
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Post by JK on Feb 25, 2019 17:43:50 GMT -5
Doubtful that any non division 1 caliber player could go into Louisville, drop 15 points and 15 rebounds on the Cardinals like Sammy did. Especially while playing for JP and his pathetic excuse of an offense. Sure, but why hasn't he ever done the same thing in a MAAC game against lesser talent? Many on this board thought Fisher was horrible, but he beat Friday out again this year. The kid was impressive versus Louisville, but hasn't consistently shown it since then. (Kind of reminds me of Jim Secretarski and his 36 point game as a freshman. Didn't mean that he was going to do that often or ever again for that matter) I am, in no way, saying Friday isn't a D1 player. He has the size to be one. I do, however, question whether or not he will provide consistent production given the first 2 1/4 years in Loudonville. And, I was all in on red shirting him all along. I hope he has two very successful years for the Saints in the future. Please consider that Sammy has not had the opportunity to play in the JC system as much as Evan has. Sammy may not have been utilized correctly much like Evan, Degnan, and let’s go with Lavon Long (who I think would have been a stats freak under JC). JC may be able to get Sammy to career heights. That assumes Sammy uses his 2 (hopefully if redshirt is granted) years of eligibility at Siena.
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Post by Quackman on Feb 25, 2019 18:32:13 GMT -5
Sure, but why hasn't he ever done the same thing in a MAAC game against lesser talent? Many on this board thought Fisher was horrible, but he beat Friday out again this year. The kid was impressive versus Louisville, but hasn't consistently shown it since then. (Kind of reminds me of Jim Secretarski and his 36 point game as a freshman. Didn't mean that he was going to do that often or ever again for that matter) I am, in no way, saying Friday isn't a D1 player. He has the size to be one. I do, however, question whether or not he will provide consistent production given the first 2 1/4 years in Loudonville. And, I was all in on red shirting him all along. I hope he has two very successful years for the Saints in the future. Please consider that Sammy has not had the opportunity to play in the JC system as much as Evan has. Sammy may not have been utilized correctly much like Evan, Degnan, and let’s go with Lavon Long (who I think would have been a stats freak under JC). JC may be able to get Sammy to career heights. That assumes Sammy uses his 2 (hopefully if redshirt is granted) years of eligibility at Siena. I am not saying he is bad, I am saying that one game against Louisville does not a career make. He hasn't been able to replicate the Louisville game (or, really, get even close to it) in about 30 games after it. Hope I'm wrong, but my money is still on Young being ahead of him next year.
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Post by Quackman on Feb 25, 2019 18:39:59 GMT -5
Sure, but why hasn't he ever done the same thing in a MAAC game against lesser talent? Many on this board thought Fisher was horrible, but he beat Friday out again this year. The kid was impressive versus Louisville, but hasn't consistently shown it since then. (Kind of reminds me of Jim Secretarski and his 36 point game as a freshman. Didn't mean that he was going to do that often or ever again for that matter) I am, in no way, saying Friday isn't a D1 player. He has the size to be one. I do, however, question whether or not he will provide consistent production given the first 2 1/4 years in Loudonville. And, I was all in on red shirting him all along. I hope he has two very successful years for the Saints in the future. For a time, Fisher and Friday were providing very similar per min stats earlier this year... Per 30 mins played this year: Friday: 13 & 5 with a 1.41 PPS. Fisher: 14 & 5 with a 1.17 PPS. Is that not solid? Darwiche also beat out Smithen. So, saying one kid beating out another doesn't really mean that much. How do his blocks and steals project out to 30 minutes? How about his free thrown percentage? He was the back up center, defenses pay no attention to him as opposed to Fisher who was a primary scoring option. You don't think that if the defenses were to key on him, his scoring/rebounding numbers may not project quite as healthy? (and that is one of the many reasons that trying to project stats based on a limited data set doesn't work.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 18:43:21 GMT -5
For a time, Fisher and Friday were providing very similar per min stats earlier this year... Per 30 mins played this year: Friday: 13 & 5 with a 1.41 PPS. Fisher: 14 & 5 with a 1.17 PPS. Is that not solid? Darwiche also beat out Smithen. So, saying one kid beating out another doesn't really mean that much. How do his blocks and steals project out to 30 minutes? How about his free thrown percentage? He was the back up center, defenses pay no attention to him as opposed to Fisher who was a primary scoring option. You don't think that if the defenses were to key on him, his scoring/rebounding numbers may not project quite as healthy? (and that is one of the many reasons that trying to project stats based on a limited data set doesn't work.) I just provide the stats. It's your job to ignore them.
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Post by Quackman on Feb 25, 2019 18:47:32 GMT -5
How do his blocks and steals project out to 30 minutes? How about his free thrown percentage? He was the back up center, defenses pay no attention to him as opposed to Fisher who was a primary scoring option. You don't think that if the defenses were to key on him, his scoring/rebounding numbers may not project quite as healthy? (and that is one of the many reasons that trying to project stats based on a limited data set doesn't work.) I just provide the stats. It's your job to ignore them. I'm sorry, I must have missed where you projected his blocks and steals out to over 30 minutes.
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Post by JK on Feb 25, 2019 18:48:26 GMT -5
Please consider that Sammy has not had the opportunity to play in the JC system as much as Evan has. Sammy may not have been utilized correctly much like Evan, Degnan, and let’s go with Lavon Long (who I think would have been a stats freak under JC). JC may be able to get Sammy to career heights. That assumes Sammy uses his 2 (hopefully if redshirt is granted) years of eligibility at Siena. I am not saying he is bad, I am saying that one game against Louisville does not a career make. He hasn't been able to replicate the Louisville game (or, really, get even close to it) in about 30 games after it. Hope I'm wrong, but my money is still on Young being ahead of him next year. I also think that Young will be ahead of him next year as well. Siena is recruiting at a higher level now. Young will be a freshman so there will be a learning curve to D1 unless he is another Pickett which would be unrealistic to guess. Sammy has shown signs of being a very good player. I hope the culture change and coaching philosophy will help Sammy maximize his ability and be an asset to this team. Like JC says, everyone has room for improvement and you work hard to be better today than you were yesterday.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 25, 2019 18:49:35 GMT -5
I just provide the stats. It's your job to ignore them. I'm sorry, I must have missed where you projected his blocks and steals out to over 30 minutes. I don't know where you want me to go with this. So, I'll just let it go.
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Post by mike60 on Feb 25, 2019 19:11:36 GMT -5
I don't think one has to look at playing time under a microscope.What is wrong with 2 players playing a greater or lesser amount based on who you're playing and both playing at a high level depending how they match up. It would be great if we could do that at a couple of positions. I dream about our having that kind of depth.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 25, 2019 19:21:37 GMT -5
How do his blocks and steals project out to 30 minutes? How about his free thrown percentage? He was the back up center, defenses pay no attention to him as opposed to Fisher who was a primary scoring option. You don't think that if the defenses were to key on him, his scoring/rebounding numbers may not project quite as healthy? (and that is one of the many reasons that trying to project stats based on a limited data set doesn't work.) I just provide the stats. It's your job to ignore them. one thing that Evan can provide that Sammy can't is the ability to hit the outside jumper, as of now I don't believe anything outside of 2-3 feet is in Friday's wheelhouse, just sayin'............and I am not sure if Young can provide that either, but haven't seen all of his footage...........that ability to at least knock down that occasional shot does stretch the defense opening up more space perhaps for others to get to the rack..........but good news, Burns has shown he is capable in that area, plus when he puts the ball on the deck it will lead to more good things compared to the hold my breath move by Fisher, imho..............
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Post by gorvy on Feb 25, 2019 19:34:55 GMT -5
I just provide the stats. It's your job to ignore them. I'm sorry, I must have missed where you projected his blocks and steals out to over 30 minutes. If Friday’s red shirt is approved in all for it and I think it will help. As a group we tend to downgrade experience over potential talent although Pickett is a solid argument for that. For some reason I thought Friday would only have one year left but since it’s two I’m excited about it. I mean it was out of our control, he got hurt and it ended his season prematurely but since it happened it will probably be a good thing.
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Post by gorvy on Feb 25, 2019 19:39:04 GMT -5
I don't think one has to look at playing time under a microscope.What is wrong with 2 players playing a greater or lesser amount based on who you're playing and both playing at a high level depending how they match up. It would be great if we could do that at a couple of positions. I dream about our having that kind of depth. Agreed, I am so sick of hearing about “logjams”. We are a 250+ team. Plenty of room for improvement, and situations arise, foul trouble, minor injuries, sickness etc. what if there was very little drop off from 6-12? As long as you are starting from a high level that’s how you become a top 100 program. Michael Jordan couldn’t do it alone and neither can Pickett.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 25, 2019 19:42:02 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I must have missed where you projected his blocks and steals out to over 30 minutes. If Friday’s red shirt is approved in all for it and I think it will help. As a group we tend to downgrade experience over potential talent although Pickett is a solid argument for that. For some reason I thought Friday would only have one year left but since it’s two I’m excited about it. I mean it was out of our control, he got hurt and it ended his season prematurely but since it happened it will probably be a good thing. and think of this, while the 3 frosh coming in are going to be solid to good and quite possibly push for a bunch of minutes right off the bat...............we have these "experienced" players back on the roster - Carey, Richard, Burns, Friday..............the nucleus will still be very young (only Burns & Huerter are SR's) so no first yr player has to be off the charts to make us better, yet if they are, look out.................
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Post by nolesaint on Feb 26, 2019 10:56:57 GMT -5
Doubtful that any non division 1 caliber player could go into Louisville, drop 15 points and 15 rebounds on the Cardinals like Sammy did. Especially while playing for JP and his pathetic excuse of an offense. Sure, but why hasn't he ever done the same thing in a MAAC game against lesser talent? Many on this board thought Fisher was horrible, but he beat Friday out again this year. The kid was impressive versus Louisville, but hasn't consistently shown it since then. (Kind of reminds me of Jim Secretarski and his 36 point game as a freshman. Didn't mean that he was going to do that often or ever again for that matter) I am, in no way, saying Friday isn't a D1 player. He has the size to be one. I do, however, question whether or not he will provide consistent production given the first 2 1/4 years in Loudonville. And, I was all in on red shirting him all along. I hope he has two very successful years for the Saints in the future. He likely would have if he had been able to ride the bus and team jet with the rest of the team to the games. ;-) All kidding aside, I think the treatment he received likely impacted his ability to have his head in the right place during practices and games. Similar situation for a some of the other players who have proven their worth as the this season has progressed with Jamion at the helm.
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