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Post by hockeyguy on Feb 22, 2019 16:22:01 GMT -5
Old Dave, what’s not to like about where Siena “is” today? I think tied for second is pretty awesome considering we were picked last. The sky’s the limit for where Siena will be in the near future. I think we’ve had just about enough of your back handed negative comments about our Sammy Friday, thank you. IS, not to throw fuel on the fire but here is what is not to like about where Siena is right now, KenPom #268. If they were 150 places higher, then yes we would all be pleased. We all know the reasons and I agree they have exceeded expectations. Yes they are tied for second in a league with 4 teams ranked between 300 and 353, with Canisius at #275. I suppose they could be a 5th league team beween 300 and 353, so yes there is that, depends on how long the yardstick is you are measuring with. They have been a ton of fun to watch (most games) and the future does indeed appear to be bright, but I think #268 is kind of "Patsosland". Just my opinion.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 22, 2019 20:38:24 GMT -5
Old Dave, what’s not to like about where Siena “is” today? I think tied for second is pretty awesome considering we were picked last. The sky’s the limit for where Siena will be in the near future. I think we’ve had just about enough of your back handed negative comments about our Sammy Friday, thank you. IS, not to throw fuel on the fire but here is what is not to like about where Siena is right now, KenPom #268. If they were 150 places higher, then yes we would all be pleased. We all know the reasons and I agree they have exceeded expectations. Yes they are tied for second in a league with 4 teams ranked between 300 and 353, with Canisius at #275. I suppose they could be a 5th league team beween 300 and 353, so yes there is that, depends on how long the yardstick is you are measuring with. They have been a ton of fun to watch (most games) and the future does indeed appear to be bright, but I think #268 is kind of "Patsosland". Just my opinion. I totally understand and don’t disagree. I was also simply tired of OD’s continuous commenting on how much he “liked” Sammy as a person but then kept on stating he didn’t think Sammy was D1. Say it once, twice but every time just got to as being negative. Even if it were true, which I don’t agree with, I got tired of hearing him make that statement and it got to me. Even GB & others agreed with rickyp when rickyp disagreed with OD.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 22, 2019 22:09:41 GMT -5
Old Dave, what’s not to like about where Siena “is” today? I think tied for second is pretty awesome considering we were picked last. The sky’s the limit for where Siena will be in the near future. I think we’ve had just about enough of your back handed negative comments about our Sammy Friday, thank you. IS, not to throw fuel on the fire but here is what is not to like about where Siena is right now, KenPom #268. If they were 150 places higher, then yes we would all be pleased. We all know the reasons and I agree they have exceeded expectations. Yes they are tied for second in a league with 4 teams ranked between 300 and 353, with Canisius at #275. I suppose they could be a 5th league team beween 300 and 353, so yes there is that, depends on how long the yardstick is you are measuring with. They have been a ton of fun to watch (most games) and the future does indeed appear to be bright, but I think #268 is kind of "Patsosland". Just my opinion. Patsos won 8 games last yr with more talent............this team was picked 11th, yet here they are in the "mix", and they certainly cannot control other teams in the league with where they are located in the rankings.......they were 300+ last yr...... yet they are making progress..that being said, their OOC slate was pretty good, most teams the Saints faced are at the top of their respective leagues, perhaps that slate prepped them for the MAAC schedule..........they can only play the games on the schedule, and they won't get a big rpi boost from league foes either, so I am not sure what you are asking of them.......
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Post by billmurray on Feb 25, 2019 7:21:28 GMT -5
To reports that Christian says Friday will redshirt and have two years remaining.
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Post by Tony on Feb 25, 2019 8:04:29 GMT -5
IS, not to throw fuel on the fire but here is what is not to like about where Siena is right now, KenPom #268. If they were 150 places higher, then yes we would all be pleased. We all know the reasons and I agree they have exceeded expectations. Yes they are tied for second in a league with 4 teams ranked between 300 and 353, with Canisius at #275. I suppose they could be a 5th league team beween 300 and 353, so yes there is that, depends on how long the yardstick is you are measuring with. They have been a ton of fun to watch (most games) and the future does indeed appear to be bright, but I think #268 is kind of "Patsosland". Just my opinion. Patsos won 8 games last yr with more talent............this team was picked 11th, yet here they are in the "mix", and they certainly cannot control other teams in the league with where they are located in the rankings.......they were 300+ last yr...... yet they are making progress..that being said, their OOC slate was pretty good, most teams the Saints faced are at the top of their respective leagues, perhaps that slate prepped them for the MAAC schedule..........they can only play the games on the schedule, and they won't get a big rpi boost from league foes either, so I am not sure what you are asking of them....... Exactly right Green and Gold, we all knew going into this year it was a rebuilding year, coming off an 8 win season. On top of that with transfers and injuries we lost the top 6 scorers from last season. It can be argued that no coach inherited less talent than Jamion did. Not sure what Hockeyguy expected? Other than change the program trajectory, which Jamion did spectacularly. In fact the job Jamion did this year is very similar to Hewitt’s first year when he won 17 games, or Fran’s first year when he won 15 games – both years very "Patsosland" as Hock calls it—but the tone was set in those years, as Jamion has set the new tone this year. If next year at this time we are sitting at 268—then Hock will have a legitimate bitch. But with the tone set, I’d be shocked to see that. I expect to see similar type improvement his second year along the lines of Paul ( won 25 games) And Fran ( won 20 games) I think Hock just likes to be devil’s advocate, like when he called Pickett a Patsos type recruit- when most of us, knew that was not the case at all
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Post by SaintsFan on Feb 25, 2019 8:55:14 GMT -5
we should remember that one of the biggest reasons the conference is ranked so low right now is because we are missing the usual top two or three teams with one team almost always performing in the top 100. Everyone else is pretty much performing as they have over the years. Two teams, like perhaps Siena and Iona return to form next year and it will be business as usual in the MAAC. So the reality is ... while those top one or two teams aren't there. This MAAC schedule really isnt all that different than any other year. So downplaying the Siena results this year shouldnt happen. If they win the conference... you might be able to second guess that but finishing top 3-6 is really an accomplishment given the state of the program a year ago
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Post by great10110 on Feb 25, 2019 9:17:48 GMT -5
we should remember that one of the biggest reasons the conference is ranked so low right now is because we are missing the usual top two or three teams with one team almost always performing in the top 100. Everyone else is pretty much performing as they have over the years. Two teams, like perhaps Siena and Iona return to form next year and it will be business as usual in the MAAC. So the reality is ... while those top one or two teams aren't there. This MAAC schedule really isnt all that different than any other year. So downplaying the Siena results this year shouldnt happen. If they win the conference... you might be able to second guess that but finishing top 3-6 is really an accomplishment given the state of the program a year ago League is definitely down this year however teams have underperformed big time. Niagara, Canisus, Rider all have been let downs which dragged the conference down. With the younger coaches the league has, I think it is back in the top 20 next 2 years. Niagara and Fairfield probably looking for new coaches next year.
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 25, 2019 9:23:11 GMT -5
Patsos won 8 games last yr with more talent............this team was picked 11th, yet here they are in the "mix", and they certainly cannot control other teams in the league with where they are located in the rankings.......they were 300+ last yr...... yet they are making progress..that being said, their OOC slate was pretty good, most teams the Saints faced are at the top of their respective leagues, perhaps that slate prepped them for the MAAC schedule..........they can only play the games on the schedule, and they won't get a big rpi boost from league foes either, so I am not sure what you are asking of them....... Exactly right Green and Gold, we all knew going into this year it was a rebuilding year, coming off an 8 win season. On top of that with transfers and injuries we lost the top 6 scorers from last season. It can be argued that no coach inherited less talent than Jamion did. Not sure what Hockeyguy expected? Other than change the program trajectory, which Jamion did spectacularly. In fact the job Jamion did this year is very similar to Hewitt’s first year when he won 17 games, or Fran’s first year when he won 15 games – both years very "Patsosland" as Hock calls it—but the tone was set in those years, as Jamion has set the new tone this year. If next year at this time we are sitting at 268—then Hock will have a legitimate bitch. But with the tone set, I’d be shocked to see that. I expect to see similar type improvement his second year along the lines of Paul ( won 25 games) And Fran ( won 20 games) I think Hock just likes to be devil’s advocate, like when he called Pickett a Patsos type recruit- when most of us, knew that was not the case at all My sentiment exactly. I don’t think many would have predicted where Siena would end up in the MAAC standings. While HG is correct I the rpi or what ever rankings he’s referring to still doesn’t negate the fact I was trying to make that people are excited/happy/insert any other positive adjective here as to where Siena is as a program “this year” compared to last year. As others have stated, we can’t control the other MAAC teams not their poor rpi/rankings. Even so, can HG imagine Suena’s rpi/rankings if they hadn’t won all theses MAAC games and was in the bottom of the MAAC standings? Then he’d have a more accurate argument as the people’s expectations. IMO I’m glad others see what I was trying to say. Thanks.
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Post by hoopdad on Feb 25, 2019 10:02:25 GMT -5
Sammy Friday is a legit MAAC level big man. His past performances against higher level opponents has shown that. He has transformed himself physically. If he can get back to full health, his best days in a Saints uniform are ahead of him. Look no further than Evan, Kevin and Kadeem as proof of how players can elevate their game playing for JC and his staff. Redshirting is the best thing for him and the Siena program.
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Post by hockeyguy on Feb 25, 2019 10:36:46 GMT -5
My post was in response to IS asking "What's no to like", and I responded, nothing more. I am as thrilled for this team as any of the others on here. As for the point that "most" on here "knew" that Jalen was special, either Tony or I have a failing memory because I recall a whole lot of "let's wait and see". These would probably be the same experts that for three years called KD and EF liabilities and "low D1" players. Very selective memories on here, but hey, it is a message board.
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Post by hoopjunkie on Feb 25, 2019 10:44:43 GMT -5
Sammy Friday is a legit MAAC level big man. His past performances against higher level opponents has shown that. He has transformed himself physically. If he can get back to full health, his best days in a Saints uniform are ahead of him. Look no further than Evan, Kevin and Kadeem as proof of how players can elevate their game playing for JC and his staff. Redshirting is the best thing for him and the Siena program. Id rather have a kid at 23 then 18 (in Sammy’s case, 20) Worlds apart in how to play, body type etc...
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Post by IndianSaint on Feb 25, 2019 11:51:15 GMT -5
Sammy Friday is a legit MAAC level big man. His past performances against higher level opponents has shown that. He has transformed himself physically. If he can get back to full health, his best days in a Saints uniform are ahead of him. Look no further than Evan, Kevin and Kadeem as proof of how players can elevate their game playing for JC and his staff. Redshirting is the best thing for him and the Siena program. I agree. I’m also glad others think Sammy “is” D1 talent, just like I think he is. OD disagrees and wants us to have to provide evidence or something through.
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Post by greengold4ever on Feb 25, 2019 12:14:36 GMT -5
Sammy Friday is a legit MAAC level big man. His past performances against higher level opponents has shown that. He has transformed himself physically. If he can get back to full health, his best days in a Saints uniform are ahead of him. Look no further than Evan, Kevin and Kadeem as proof of how players can elevate their game playing for JC and his staff. Redshirting is the best thing for him and the Siena program. I agree. I’m also glad others think Sammy “is” D1 talent, just like I think he is. OD disagrees and wants us to have to provide evidence or something through. when I see OD, I am thinking of Anosike the player...………..obviously that is not the reference, just not sure others know that, just sayin'...………...
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Post by greenblood on Feb 25, 2019 13:01:32 GMT -5
Sammy Friday is a legit MAAC level big man. His past performances against higher level opponents has shown that. He has transformed himself physically. If he can get back to full health, his best days in a Saints uniform are ahead of him. Look no further than Evan, Kevin and Kadeem as proof of how players can elevate their game playing for JC and his staff. Redshirting is the best thing for him and the Siena program. Id rather have a kid at 23 then 18 (in Sammy’s case, 20) Worlds apart in how to play, body type etc... as I have said all along, the staff would and will continue to do right by Sammy. Not getting into pissing matches about whether or not he is a D-1 talent. Most here said none of these kids were....and look where they are. Jamion and Co. will provide the best opportunity for all of our student athlete basketball players. What they do with that opportunity is largely up to them
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Post by hoopdad on Feb 25, 2019 17:16:47 GMT -5
Doubtful that any non division 1 caliber player could go into Louisville, drop 15 points and 15 rebounds on the Cardinals like Sammy did. Especially while playing for JP and his pathetic excuse of an offense.
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