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Post by saints22 on Apr 18, 2018 8:08:10 GMT -5
[ BUT if we were to take past transgressions into consideration St Fran, JP, and others would not have been coaching at Siena. They all had baggage. You don,t want possible transgressions, moral or ethical deliemnas get out of the game. Some of your posts are absolute gibberish and complete nonsense. This is one of them. Please enlighten us, and tell us exactly what "past transgressions" would have prevented Fran "and others" from coaching at Siena, and what "baggage" they had before they came to Loudonville. In the past sixty plus years, the following men have coached at Siena: Dan Cuhna; Gene Culnan; Rit Keith; Bill Kirsch; John Griffin; Mike Deane; Bob Beyer; Paul Hewitt; Louis Orr; Rob Lanier; Fran McCaffery; Mitch Buonaguro; and Jimmy Patsos. I'll grant that Jimmy came here with some baggage/issues. Which of these other coaches are you saying had "past transgressions" and "baggage", and what are the transgressions and baggage you're talking about? Two other things: first, adding "St." when mentioning Fran has gotten to be really tiresome. The fact that he was an exceptional coach at Siena, and the fact that many people recognize that, doesn't make him a saint, just a damn good coach. second, "deliemnas" is not a word.
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Post by james on Apr 18, 2018 8:14:45 GMT -5
Sometimes moving forward scares people so they just do the same old-same old!Sometimes change is good.GO SAINTS!!
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Post by olddave on Apr 18, 2018 8:28:55 GMT -5
[ BUT if we were to take past transgressions into consideration St Fran, JP, and others would not have been coaching at Siena. They all had baggage. You don,t want possible transgressions, moral or ethical deliemnas get out of the game. Some of your posts are absolute gibberish and complete nonsense. This is one of them. Please enlighten us, and tell us exactly what "past transgressions" would have prevented Fran "and others" from coaching at Siena, and what "baggage" they had before they came to Loudonville. In the past sixty plus years, the following men have coached at Siena: Dan Cuhna; Gene Culnan; Rit Keith; Bill Kirsch; John Griffin; Mike Deane; Bob Beyer; Paul Hewitt; Louis Orr; Rob Lanier; Fran McCaffery; Mitch Buonaguro; and Jimmy Patsos. I'll grant that Jimmy came here with some baggage/issues. Which of these other coaches are you saying had "past transgressions" and "baggage", and what are the transgressions and baggage you're talking about? Two other things: first, adding "St." when mentioning Fran has gotten to be really tiresome. The fact that he was an exceptional coach at Siena, and the fact that many people recognize that, doesn't make him a saint, just a damn good coach. second, "deliemnas" is not a word. First I am not the one who initiated the St. for Fran, I thought he was a fun good coach. Fran had a history of having a temper, JP had a history of on the court bad antics. I didn’t, name particulars on the others, simple reason is that all good men who have bad habits, that others can say are transgression. They are in the public profile. As far as I know we are all human and have had each our own transgressions. Of course you may be the exception. Candidly, most here tire of your sacremontis attitude that the school can do no wrong. We get it, you love the school, we all do. Doesn’t mean they walk on water. You disliked clicks post, why? Knocked the school, but guess what, business sense he is 100 % correct. And to enlighten you the program and yes the school is a business. Its not 1960, time has come and gone, better to get their act together and look at their future. They are making headroads, academically, took them long enough to start the process. Let’s all hope they continue to look at the future.
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Post by olddave on Apr 18, 2018 8:30:27 GMT -5
[ BUT if we were to take past transgressions into consideration St Fran, JP, and others would not have been coaching at Siena. They all had baggage. You don,t want possible transgressions, moral or ethical deliemnas get out of the game. Some of your posts are absolute gibberish and complete nonsense. This is one of them. Please enlighten us, and tell us exactly what "past transgressions" would have prevented Fran "and others" from coaching at Siena, and what "baggage" they had before they came to Loudonville. In the past sixty plus years, the following men have coached at Siena: Dan Cuhna; Gene Culnan; Rit Keith; Bill Kirsch; John Griffin; Mike Deane; Bob Beyer; Paul Hewitt; Louis Orr; Rob Lanier; Fran McCaffery; Mitch Buonaguro; and Jimmy Patsos. I'll grant that Jimmy came here with some baggage/issues. Which of these other coaches are you saying had "past transgressions" and "baggage", and what are the transgressions and baggage you're talking about? Two other things: first, adding "St." when mentioning Fran has gotten to be really tiresome. The fact that he was an exceptional coach at Siena, and the fact that many people recognize that, doesn't make him a saint, just a damn good coach. second, "deliemnas" is not a word. First I am not the one who initiated the St. for Fran, I thought he was a fun good coach. Fran had a history of having a temper, JP had a history of on the court bad antics. I didn’t, name particulars on the others, simple reason is that all good men who have bad habits, that others can say are transgression. They are in the public profile. As far as I know we are all human and have had each our own transgressions. Of course you may be the exception. Candidly, most here tire of your sacremontis attitude that the school can do no wrong. We get it, you love the school, we all do. Doesn’t mean they walk on water. You disliked clicks post, why? Knocked the school, but guess what, business sense he is 100 % correct. And to enlighten you the program and yes the school is a business. Its not 1960, time has come and gone, better to get their act together and look at their future. They are making headroads, academically, took them long enough to start the process. Let’s all hope they continue to look at the future. I respect your opinion, have been told by associate that you are a nice guy and only want the best for the school. Others have their opinion. Why it’s fun here, debate. Don’t go away mad.
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Post by olddave on Apr 18, 2018 8:36:05 GMT -5
Loved your post regarding the kids families etc.. Everyone forgets they are in limbo. If Siena did not hire a search firm 2 weeks ago shows how poor their administration is in managing the college. This goes with the balance of you post, at some point the higher ups who make these decisions must leave, terminated. Another more question, more importantly is why D’arg is even involved, given his past history. Not for you GB. As far as RP a dream, who knows, BUT if we were to take past transgressions into consideration St Fran, JP, and others would not have been coaching at Siena. They all had baggage. You don,t want possible transgressions, moral or ethical deliemnas get out of the game. Could you enlighten me as to what "past transgressions" existed when Siena hired Fran? What other "baggage" was out there about "others" we hired? Throwing out these vague, wide open, and, to my knowledge, unsubstantiated charges does noone any good. Not trying to be confrontational, just trying to understand the factual basis for your claims.... MP Fran had his temper, JP had is off color on the court antics. Your right I didn’t name transgressions of the others, they are all good men, more importantly they are human, and yes dig deep enough find transgressions, especially for a public figure. I have transgressions, and I am sure you will admit you have transgressions also. Maybe not of the caliber of RP but your human. Peace, was making a point, perhaps not a good analogy in afterthought, but a point concerning a certain potential hire.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 8:43:01 GMT -5
Some of your posts are absolute gibberish and complete nonsense. This is one of them. Please enlighten us, and tell us exactly what "past transgressions" would have prevented Fran "and others" from coaching at Siena, and what "baggage" they had before they came to Loudonville. In the past sixty plus years, the following men have coached at Siena: Dan Cuhna; Gene Culnan; Rit Keith; Bill Kirsch; John Griffin; Mike Deane; Bob Beyer; Paul Hewitt; Louis Orr; Rob Lanier; Fran McCaffery; Mitch Buonaguro; and Jimmy Patsos. I'll grant that Jimmy came here with some baggage/issues. Which of these other coaches are you saying had "past transgressions" and "baggage", and what are the transgressions and baggage you're talking about? Two other things: first, adding "St." when mentioning Fran has gotten to be really tiresome. The fact that he was an exceptional coach at Siena, and the fact that many people recognize that, doesn't make him a saint, just a damn good coach. second, "deliemnas" is not a word. First I am not the one who initiated the St. for Fran, I thought he was a fun good coach. Fran had a history of having a temper, JP had a history of on the court bad antics. I didn’t, name particulars on the others, simple reason is that all good men who have bad habits, that others can say are transgression. They are in the public profile. As far as I know we are all human and have had each our own transgressions. Of course you may be the exception. Candidly, most here tire of your sacremontis attitude that the school can do no wrong. We get it, you love the school, we all do. Doesn’t mean they walk on water. You disliked clicks post, why? Knocked the school, but guess what, business sense he is 100 % correct. And to enlighten you the program and yes the school is a business. Its not 1960, time has come and gone, better to get their act together and look at their future. They are making headroads, academically, took them long enough to start the process. Let’s all hope they continue to look at the future. I respect your opinion, have been told by associate that you are a nice guy and only want the best for the school. Others have their opinion. Why it’s fun here, debate. Don’t go away mad. You call "having a temper" a transgression that would have prevented Siena from hiring him had today's sensitivities been in play then. C'mon - get real, your credibility just tanked. A "temper" - OMG, you must spend hours in the confessional if "having a temper" is "sinful". I don't think I ever read anything so completely out of touch with reality. Sorry - but just my OPINION. Glad you are not in the hiring stream - we'd only offer the dead...in your world, being human is first and foremost bad...and to your comments re S22 - yes, he can be charged with loving the school but that, in no way means he is not aware of its shortcomings - big difference is that he actively tries to correct them whenever possible - his green and gold glasses are mainly used on game day - TUC bright lights do that to us
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2018 9:07:45 GMT -5
Never believed this would become reality anyway
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Post by hooligan on Apr 18, 2018 9:21:55 GMT -5
....deal is dead. Over all things, money! Guess I was wrong about him caring about he actuallly made on his resurrection job. No idea how far apart the parties were, but I guess it's on to the next batch of candidates. Ps--I'm praying my source is off on this one, but I don't think so ;( HJ, what are your sources hearing? Why did the deal fall apart? Was it really money related (either RP or assistants pay)?
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Post by rpize24 on Apr 18, 2018 10:25:59 GMT -5
Unfortunately it appears that this is going to be a missed opportunity for both parties. Pitino told singelais that it is in Siena's best interest to look somewhere else when asked if he would listen to offers from Siena
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Post by blockhead43 on Apr 18, 2018 10:29:20 GMT -5
We’ve known for awhile Patsos was persona non grata and an exit strategy was in the works. Can it be a succession plan wasn’t discussed concurrently? College can’t get this wrong. Any athletic department worth its salary, or I should say any successful athletic department, has a list of potential head coaches stashed away should it have to replace a coach who decides to leave for another job or if the department has to dismiss a coach. Athletic departments use intermediaries or mutual friends to reach out to gauge a candidate's interest. As usual, I don't think this group has that list, hence the hired search firm. I can't say that I am surprised.
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Post by clickclack on Apr 18, 2018 10:36:12 GMT -5
We’ve known for awhile Patsos was persona non grata and an exit strategy was in the works. Can it be a succession plan wasn’t discussed concurrently? College can’t get this wrong. Any athletic department worth its salary, or I should say any successful athletic department, has a list of potential head coaches stashed away should it have to replace a coach who decides to leave for another job or if the department has to dismiss a coach. Athletic departments use intermediaries or mutual friends to reach out to gauge a candidate's interest. As usual, I don't think this group has that list, hence the hired search firm. I can't say that I am surprised. Live look at JD
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Post by saints22 on Apr 18, 2018 15:33:32 GMT -5
We’ve known for awhile Patsos was persona non grata and an exit strategy was in the works. Can it be a succession plan wasn’t discussed concurrently? College can’t get this wrong. Any athletic department worth its salary, or I should say any successful athletic department, has a list of potential head coaches stashed away should it have to replace a coach who decides to leave for another job or if the department has to dismiss a coach. Athletic departments use intermediaries or mutual friends to reach out to gauge a candidate's interest. As usual, I don't think this group has that list, hence the hired search firm. I can't say that I am surprised. Having a list of potential coaches stashed away (which, in fact, the AD always has available) does not preclude hiring a firm to do the legwork and expand the list of possibilities. They are not mutually exclusive options.
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Post by saints22 on Apr 18, 2018 15:39:51 GMT -5
First I am not the one who initiated the St. for Fran, I thought he was a fun good coach. Fran had a history of having a temper, JP had a history of on the court bad antics. I didn’t, name particulars on the others, simple reason is that all good men who have bad habits, that others can say are transgression. They are in the public profile. As far as I know we are all human and have had each our own transgressions. Of course you may be the exception. Candidly, most here tire of your sacremontis attitude that the school can do no wrong. We get it, you love the school, we all do. Doesn’t mean they walk on water. You disliked clicks post, why? Knocked the school, but guess what, business sense he is 100 % correct. And to enlighten you the program and yes the school is a business. Its not 1960, time has come and gone, better to get their act together and look at their future. They are making headroads, academically, took them long enough to start the process. Let’s all hope they continue to look at the future.[/quote] "Fran had a history of having a temper"? What "history"? When and where? I seriously doubt that you ever heard of Fran McCaffery before he got the Siena job. Really, Dave, you can't just throw anything that pops into your head on to the board. Who do you think you are, MTS? And "scaremontis" isn't a word. Neither is "headroads".
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Post by MTS on Apr 18, 2018 15:44:50 GMT -5
First I am not the one who initiated the St. for Fran, I thought he was a fun good coach. Fran had a history of having a temper, JP had a history of on the court bad antics. I didn’t, name particulars on the others, simple reason is that all good men who have bad habits, that others can say are transgression. They are in the public profile. As far as I know we are all human and have had each our own transgressions. Of course you may be the exception. Candidly, most here tire of your sacremontis attitude that the school can do no wrong. We get it, you love the school, we all do. Doesn’t mean they walk on water. You disliked clicks post, why? Knocked the school, but guess what, business sense he is 100 % correct. And to enlighten you the program and yes the school is a business. Its not 1960, time has come and gone, better to get their act together and look at their future. They are making headroads, academically, took them long enough to start the process. Let’s all hope they continue to look at the future. "Fran had a history of having a temper"? What "history"? When and where? I seriously doubt that you ever heard of Fran McCaffery before he got the Siena job. Really, Dave, you can't just throw anything that pops into your head on to the board. Who do you think you are, MTS? And "scaremontis" isn't a word. Neither is "headroads". [/quote] Dude, WTF is your problem. Lighten up.
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