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Post by diamonddog on Apr 15, 2018 12:25:25 GMT -5
Wait...how is Becker even on this list and what makes people think that he'd stay here for a long period of time? The guy is one great season away from a BCS job as it is. And wouldn't hiring Pitino just be one giant advertisement of Siena's hypocrisy after firing Jimmy 'for cause'? Criticisms of Siena would all be justified immediately. Sorry I don’t see Becker as anymore of risk then Caputo or Beilein as far as leaving. All could use this job as a stepping stone. In fact Becker’s been at UVM 7 years, he might be the most stable of the group. Hell maybe he would / could be our version of Bob McKillop? Add that he’s an excellent/proven recruiter and coach and could bring Moll, Timberlake and who knows who else ..... it gets attractive pretty quickly! I'm not sure if he wants to leave Vermont, they are getting a new basketball arena on campus in the future. uvmathletics.com/news/2017/11/15/general-sneak-peak-uvms-new-multi-purpose-center.aspx
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 15, 2018 12:30:36 GMT -5
Sorry I don’t see Becker as anymore of risk then Caputo or Beilein as far as leaving. All could use this job as a stepping stone. In fact Becker’s been at UVM 7 years, he might be the most stable of the group. Hell maybe he would / could be our version of Bob McKillop? Add that he’s an excellent/proven recruiter and coach and could bring Moll, Timberlake and who knows who else ..... it gets attractive pretty quickly! I'm not sure if he wants to leave Vermont, they are getting a new basketball arena on campus in the future. uvmathletics.com/news/2017/11/15/general-sneak-peak-uvms-new-multi-purpose-center.aspxAccording the “click clack” there’s still issues funding it and its not happening soon. I know I read they raised a portion of what they’re looking for but not enough to hit their target at least as of the article. Your link says it’s on target for design and a 2019 start but that means nothing if funding falls short. This could easily be pushed back. I don’t think that’s enough to keep him in Vt. If he reached out (?) ... he’s interested or testing the waters.
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Post by brian on Apr 15, 2018 12:41:19 GMT -5
I would vote for the Becker/Tibbs combo.
Would be the best fit for Siena easily.
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Post by th24 on Apr 15, 2018 12:54:18 GMT -5
1.Pitino 2.Becker 3.Capito 4.Beilein 5.McNamara
Pitino’s contract would be intresting. #clauses #financially #AndOtherwise
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 13:34:44 GMT -5
Wait...how is Becker even on this list and what makes people think that he'd stay here for a long period of time? The guy is one great season away from a BCS job as it is. And wouldn't hiring Pitino just be one giant advertisement of Siena's hypocrisy after firing Jimmy 'for cause'? Criticisms of Siena would all be justified immediately. Sorry I don’t see Becker as anymore of risk then Caputo or Beilein as far as leaving. All could use this job as a stepping stone. In fact Becker’s been at UVM 7 years, he might be the most stable of the group. Hell maybe he would / could be our version of Bob McKillop? Add that he’s an excellent/proven recruiter and coach and could bring Moll, Timberlake and who knows who else ..... it gets attractive pretty quickly! Using Siena as a stepping stone, imho, is a good thing. If your coaches are moving on up your program is successful. In most cases success breeds success. Ahem......
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 15, 2018 13:36:13 GMT -5
Sorry I don’t see Becker as anymore of risk then Caputo or Beilein as far as leaving. All could use this job as a stepping stone. In fact Becker’s been at UVM 7 years, he might be the most stable of the group. Hell maybe he would / could be our version of Bob McKillop? Add that he’s an excellent/proven recruiter and coach and could bring Moll, Timberlake and who knows who else ..... it gets attractive pretty quickly! Using Siena as a stepping stone, imho, is a good thing. If your coaches are moving on up your program is successful. In most cases success breeds success. Ahem...... Yup I’ve stated many times before i have no issue with that business model BUT if you land a guy like Becker and he decides he’s content, winning and is here 7 years plus I’m not complaining...that works for me as well! See Few and McKillop...it’s done sometimes.
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Post by dmb88888 on Apr 15, 2018 13:57:39 GMT -5
Nice to have choices... Becker proven winner, coach and recruiter could he be our version of Bob McKillop? Moll, Timberlake and maybe Lamb make a move with him? Instant boost for a weak roster. Safest choice? Beilein following similar path as his Dad only at much quicker pace. How well would he recruit at this level? Good family. Lacks D1 experience. Still a solid choice. Caputo appears on many top 10 lead assistants lists due a headcoaching position, northeast guy. Some risk but a solid option. Pitino would win and pack the house. How likely is it the College makes a move in this direction given Pitino’s problems and after dumping Jimmy for issues unbecoming to the Franciscan tradition? GMac the guy I'm least interested in of the bunch, don’t think Syracuse has recruited very well over the past 4 years or so....JBs coaching tree is so so... the top 3 above are just better options. It's amazing just how short sighted our fanbase is. The "he will be here for 3 years " talk is BS. We need to look at the college hoops landscape over the past 5-7 years. Yes, i think we missed an opportunity to think bigger and move to the A10 with Fran back in the day! Fellas, we have the population, facilities, arena, and sports hungry fans dying for big time sports!!! Heck, 13k showed up for that horrible concept/product last night. Imagine Siena hosting URI, UMASS, DAYTON, etc on a regular basis? If fordham can do it in a hs gym, why cant we? So, when i hear the closeminded talk of us forever the stepping stone, its nauseating. If Davidson , George Mason,and Creighton can make the jump, why cant we?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 14:01:54 GMT -5
Nice to have choices... Becker proven winner, coach and recruiter could he be our version of Bob McKillop? Moll, Timberlake and maybe Lamb make a move with him? Instant boost for a weak roster. Safest choice? Beilein following similar path as his Dad only at much quicker pace. How well would he recruit at this level? Good family. Lacks D1 experience. Still a solid choice. Caputo appears on many top 10 lead assistants lists due a headcoaching position, northeast guy. Some risk but a solid option. Pitino would win and pack the house. How likely is it the College makes a move in this direction given Pitino’s problems and after dumping Jimmy for issues unbecoming to the Franciscan tradition? GMac the guy I'm least interested in of the bunch, don’t think Syracuse has recruited very well over the past 4 years or so....JBs coaching tree is so so... the top 3 above are just better options. It's amazing just how short sighted our fanbase is. The "he will be here for 3 years " talk is BS. We need to look at the college hoops landscape over the past 5-7 years. Yes, i think we missed an opportunity to think bigger and move to the A10 with Fran back in the day! Fellas, we have the population, facilities, arena, and sports hungry fans dying for big time sports!!! Heck, 13k showed up for that horrible concept/product last night. Imagine Siena hosting URI, UMASS, DAYTON, etc on a regular basis? If fordham can do it in a hs gym, why cant we? So, when i hear the closeminded talk of us forever the stepping stone, its nauseating. If Davidson , George Mason,and Creighton can make the jump, why cant we? Mitch and Jimmy.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 15, 2018 14:03:26 GMT -5
Nice to have choices... Becker proven winner, coach and recruiter could he be our version of Bob McKillop? Moll, Timberlake and maybe Lamb make a move with him? Instant boost for a weak roster. Safest choice? Beilein following similar path as his Dad only at much quicker pace. How well would he recruit at this level? Good family. Lacks D1 experience. Still a solid choice. Caputo appears on many top 10 lead assistants lists due a headcoaching position, northeast guy. Some risk but a solid option. Pitino would win and pack the house. How likely is it the College makes a move in this direction given Pitino’s problems and after dumping Jimmy for issues unbecoming to the Franciscan tradition? GMac the guy I'm least interested in of the bunch, don’t think Syracuse has recruited very well over the past 4 years or so....JBs coaching tree is so so... the top 3 above are just better options. It's amazing just how short sighted our fanbase is. The "he will be here for 3 years " talk is BS. We need to look at the college hoops landscape over the past 5-7 years. Yes, i think we missed an opportunity to think bigger and move to the A10 with Fran back in the day! Fellas, we have the population, facilities, arena, and sports hungry fans dying for big time sports!!! Heck, 13k showed up for that horrible concept/product last night. Imagine Siena hosting URI, UMASS, DAYTON, etc on a regular basis? If fordham can do it in a hs gym, why cant we? So, when i hear the closeminded talk of us forever the stepping stone, its nauseating. If Davidson , George Mason,and Creighton can make the jump, why cant we? This post just shows how out of touch you are with the landscape of College basketball. We are most likely always going to be a stepping stone when successful. Few and McKillop are anomalies. Maybe we get lucky... Fran was here for 5, maybe we land Becker and he’s content for an extended run or maybe not ... unfortunately that’s the way it is. This program is eight years irrelevant let’s get back to contention in the MAAC before we talk A10. It makes us look silly.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 14:53:04 GMT -5
Becker would obviously be the ideal. He already recruits and succeeds recruiting all the places we want to. And he wins. I'm just skeptical of his interest and our ability to pony up.
I don't care about 'longevity'. That's not how this sport works.
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Post by OneIndian on Apr 15, 2018 14:56:18 GMT -5
Becker would obviously be the ideal. He already recruits and succeeds recruiting all the places we want to. And he wins. I'm just skeptical of his interest and our ability to pony up. I agree on interest only going on what i read here, money his 16/17 salary was $275k so I don’t think we have an issue affording him...at least initially. He’s been pretty content at UVM .... 7 years. So maybe he’s not a leaper, who knows.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 14:58:52 GMT -5
Maybe throw some 'feelers' out to Becker but let's just all be happy/hope for a Beilein hire if it happens.
That's more realistic for us.
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Post by CellarRat on Apr 15, 2018 14:59:46 GMT -5
Becker would obviously be the ideal. He already recruits and succeeds recruiting all the places we want to. And he wins. I'm just skeptical of his interest and our ability to pony up. I agree on interest only going on what i read here, money his 16/17 salary was $275k so I don’t think we have an issue affording him... What’s the state pension plan? Consider that and the decision for him to leave isn’t that easy. Some State pensions are lucrative, look at NY, if it is he is probably not willing to leave so easily.
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Post by goldsaint17 on Apr 15, 2018 15:00:38 GMT -5
One thing to keep in mind when looking at people’s current salaries: all coaches have other guaranteed compensation. For instance, JP’s base is between 350 and 375k but was making close to 450k a year. I’d assume the same is true for Becker— he’s getting in the 350-375k range. Siena giving what we gave Patsos won’t be enough for him to leave a good situation for a rebuilding one. Siena would probably have to go to 550-600k in guaranteed compensation a year on a 6 year deal (maybe even 7) to land Becker unless he’s unhappy for some reason at Vermont.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2018 15:01:46 GMT -5
I agree on interest only going on what i read here, money his 16/17 salary was $275k so I don’t think we have an issue affording him... What’s the state pension plan? Consider that and the decision for him to leave isn’t that easy. Some State pensions are lucrative, look at NY, if it is he is probably not willing to leave so easily. That is an interesting point. Becker has been at UVM since 2006 as an assistant. He's well on his way to 20 years in.
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